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Post by geode on Sept 19, 2018 9:06:47 GMT
She joined another forum upon her banning, then when the crew from that forum migrated to a different forum for whatever reason, she did not make the transition. So where is she currently posting ...if anywhere?
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Post by geode on Sept 19, 2018 8:15:09 GMT
Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy that occurs when the conclusion of an argument is used as a premise of that same argument; i.e., the premises would not work if the conclusion weren't already assumed to be true.
Your response to me of "the passion, death and resurrection" of Jesus assumes that Christianity must be true because Jesus could not have fulfilled the scriptural prophecies otherwise; but there is no logical reason to suppose this. It simply validates what you, as a Christian, have been taught to believe.
That's correct. Jesus Fulfilled the Scriptures which said that the Lord Would Suffer. Eg: Psalm 22; Isaiah 52; and Wisdom 2 (not included in Protestant Scriptures). And yet most First Century people who held to the existing scriptures did not think Jesus was the prophesized Messiah. They did not think he fulfilled prophecy even though His passion, death and resurrection was a matter of current events with eyewitnesses still living. How is this evidence now the iron-clad proof you are assuming it to be 2,000 years later? This remains a matter of faith. Religions other than Christianity have adherents that accept them as correct because of similar faith in different religious figures or concepts.
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Post by geode on Sept 19, 2018 6:38:19 GMT
Excommunication for apostasy makes sense. The undoing ritual part is odd. Perhaps if the ritual is seen as something God adds to, maybe they are of the view that it is completely taken away upon excommunication I assume that they state they involve God in that process as well.Just out of interest, how does the Morman Church ( or in fact any institution ) involve God in a process? I actually answered that yesterday, giving the Mormon standard explanation involving prayer. Here is the text of the official letter: HOUSTON TEXAS SOUTH STAKE September 12, 2018 Brother Young, This letter is to inform you of the decision of the disciplinary council that was held in your behalf on 09 September 2018 at the Houston Texas South Stake Center. We have carefully and prayerfully reviewed this matter in order to reach a decision on what action to take. It is the decision of the council that you be excommunicated for conduct contrary to the laws and order of the Church. This means that you are no longer a member of the Church and do not enjoy any privileges of Church membership. You may not hold a temple recommend, wear temple garments, pay tithes and offerings, or exercise the priesthood in any way. We welcome you to attend public Church meetings, if your conduct is orderly, but you may not serve in a Church position, speak or offer a public prayer in Church meetings, partake of the sacrament or participate in the sustaining of Church officers. This action was not taken because of your opinion or position on protecting children. The Church has a strong desire to protect children and, as you know, issued updated guidelines for interviewing youth earlier this year. Teaching standards of morality to youth and helping them follow those standards–including in interviews with priesthood leaders–is an important responsibility of parents and of the Church. The issue is not that you have concerns–or even that you disagree with the Church’s guidelines, rather it is your persistent, aggressive effort to persuade others to your point of view by repeatedly and deliberately attacking and publicly opposing the Church and its leaders. You are entitled to your opinion or position, but you cannot remain a member in good standing while attacking the Church and its leaders and trying to get others to follow you. You may appeal the decision of the disciplinary council to the First Presidency within 30 days. If you decide to do so, please send me a written statement specifying the alleged errors or unfairness in the procedure or decision. I will then forward your statement to the First Presidency. Excommunication almost always lasts at least one year. In order to be readmitted to membership in the Church, you will need to demonstrate that you have stopped actions that undermine the Church and its leaders. Please understand that this decision is an invitation for you to repent and return. The Savior loves you. We love you and your family. We invite you to return to God’s covenant path and enjoy the fullness of the blessings he has in store for you and your family. With your consent, your Bishop and Stake President will continue to assist you in that process. With Love, xxxxx x. xxxxxx Stake President, Houston Texas South Stake
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Post by geode on Sept 19, 2018 6:23:51 GMT
Yes, but where is the apostasy? It would seem that Sam does not disagree with Mormon doctrine or theology, but a practice that is not in the Bible, or even other writings Mormons claim as scripture. He disagreed with the Mormon leadership. Should disagreeing with leaders be a cause for claiming heresy? ... Religion isn't about belief. Religion is about power and the desire to control the beliefs and actions of the congregation. In this case it does appear that it is in fact about power and imposing the will of the top leaders upon the general membership.
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Post by geode on Sept 18, 2018 12:00:26 GMT
I wish Christians could make up their minds about whether Jesus is god, god's son, or some kind of freakish mélange. It doesn't really add to a religion's credibility when its varying sects can't even agree on a basic point like that. Actually, Christians did make up their minds at the Council of Nicea: The Lord Jesus IS GOD. Only post Reformation, did a few sects again denied His Divinity, such as the Jehovah's Witnesses & the Mormons, etc. The Mormons accept Jesus as divine. It would only take about a minute's research to verify this.
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Post by geode on Sept 18, 2018 11:33:05 GMT
It's always a good thing for both the institution and the individual for them to leave when they don;t believe or agree with their policies. What if the institution claims to be headed by Jesus Christ, and those leaving still fervantly still believe in the teachings of Christ?
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Post by geode on Sept 18, 2018 11:19:04 GMT
There is a website quitmormon.com that helps members of record of the LDS church resign their membership. Apparently this site alone has received 2,000 requests since Sam Young's excommunication was announced. Many others would have applied directly to the church. I expected this. In Mormon teachings they refer to separating the wheat from the tares. The leadership probably considers those leaving to be totally expendable, but what would Christ say about this attitude?
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Post by geode on Sept 17, 2018 14:16:00 GMT
Yes, but where is the apostasy? It would seem that Sam does not disagree with Mormon doctrine or theology, but a practice that is not in the Bible, or even other writings Mormons claim as scripture. He disagreed with the Mormon leadership. Should disagreeing with leaders be a cause for claiming heresy? Yes, I think the Mormons do think that all is removed through excommunication. They claim to seek divine guidence through prayer about excommunication, in this case by a stake president. However, this case was so prominent that it is likely that senior leadership in Salt Lake City was involved. Well, the procedure would be a structural component of some doctrinal point or theology. However, apostasy can be against the institution itself as well as how they handle matters. Basically anything that disrupts the harmony of the institution could be considered something worthy of ex-communication. It's just like firing someone. Sam's crusade is to eliminate a disruptive practice. The doctrine is that worthiness is between members and God. The bottom line is he did not obey a leader when he was told to stop his outspoken criticisms. Since he was warned the church altered its procedure for the first time in decades, they just have not changed it enough for Sam. I am pretty sure they will actually come to make the changes he has identified. They will say it is some sort of revelation.
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Post by geode on Sept 17, 2018 12:34:23 GMT
Excommunication for apostasy makes sense. The undoing ritual part is odd. Perhaps if the ritual is seen as something God adds to, maybe they are of the view that it is completely taken away upon excommunication. I assume that they state they involve God in that process as well. Yes, but where is the apostasy? It would seem that Sam does not disagree with Mormon doctrine or theology, but a practice that is not in the Bible, or even other writings Mormons claim as scripture. He disagreed with the Mormon leadership. Should disagreeing with leaders be a cause for claiming heresy? Yes, I think the Mormons do think that all is removed through excommunication. They claim to seek divine guidence through prayer about excommunication, in this case by a stake president. However, this case was so prominent that it is likely that senior leadership in Salt Lake City was involved.
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Post by geode on Sept 17, 2018 9:56:12 GMT
Sam Young excommunicated
Sam Young has been excommunicated from the Mormon church for criticizing the church policy of conducting interviews with their youth where sexually explicit questions are sometimes asked (although his excommunication notice claims this is not the reason, it really is). His excommunication was over his being accused of heresy, but this practice is a policy and not doctrine. My own opinion is the the policy will be changed, in part because of Sam's publicising the practice. I think this adds to the PR disaster for the church, but was the expected outcome as the top church leaders do not reality allow for any criticism coming from members. I would guess at least a few hundred resignations for the church will result over this. It is as if the leaders pride matters more than the members. So much for Christ's teaching about lost sheep. However, it raises in my mind a matter I never really thought about before. This excommunication supposedly invalidates all the church ordinances Sam was was part of, such as baptism, and his temple endowment and marriage sealing. There were strict requirements in how these are performed. Some require the "laying on of hands" and other set ritual procedures. How can a letter undo this? How do you "unlay upon with hands" etc. According to Mormons the ritual ceremonies are done using God's power and authority. Does not God have a voice in this matter? His excommunication was immediate on the issuing of the letter. He has 30 days to appeal to the First Presidency. If they were to reverse the decision (unlikely as they probably instigated and approved of it) he would in theory just immediately become a member again. But if the excommunication holds he would need to wait a year and be baptized again to become a member again. He would need to reapply for a "restoration of blessings" to make his temple work valid again, and his priesthood. This eems to show holes or non-consistency in how "authority" is understood and applied In the Mormon church. Sometimes just paper shuffling affects ordinances needing God's authority and at other times an actually ordinance needs to be performed. Are there any Mormons here that can explain this to me? Video report
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Post by geode on Sept 17, 2018 8:28:07 GMT
I don't know why people slander her. She was sweet and nice. I think the only moderate she had a problem with was Allaby, and as I recall the history, it was one of the crazy people here who egged on the problem someone had with Allaby. I seem to remember her having a problem at one point or another with virtually everyone but Erjen. She took many unprovoked swipes at me.
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Post by geode on Sept 15, 2018 19:26:02 GMT
AMARCORD doesn't follow a traditional story structure. In order for that work, the characters needed to be interesting enough for the audience to care about the random situations in their everyday lives. Only some of them are. None of the actors stand out (positively or negatively). The humour is a little childish (and I don't mean just the scenes with kids), but I did laugh from time to time. 6/10 ------------------------------------- You can read comments of other movies in my blog.I never have seen it, but I have a vivid memory about when it was first released in the United States. I was working in a theater as a projectionist and made up a new show that included trailers.This was pre-automation, so these previews were spliced together on a single reel. I think the feature was from Walt Disney. Anyway one trailer was for "Amarcord" and like the others it had a green band. Well, it hit the screen and there was this quick shot of a kid caught between a topless lady's massive....well, you pick your favorite word. An irate mother in the audience marched out and found the manager to complain. He later told me that her son, who she felt had been traumatized was grinning about it. The trailer should have had a red band that denoted it could only be shown with features rated "R" or "X"...green banded trailers could be shown with anything.
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Post by geode on Sept 15, 2018 18:50:53 GMT
Under my definition of "International Cinema" any non-English language movie qualifies, and since my facility with other languages is not great I must watch them sub-titled (I hate dubbed versions). However, I have watched English language movies in countries where this is not the language most widely used. So English language movies are subtitled in other languages. I guess what I am saying is that virtually every important or major movie has been subtitled. If I were Thai I might say my favorite sub-titled movie was "Gone With the Wind" or "Star Wars" so it is all relative.
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Post by geode on Sept 14, 2018 19:28:29 GMT
Am I the single member of a cult that likes this movie? I always had a thing for Martine Beswick. In some ways this is my favorite version of this tale.
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Post by geode on Sept 14, 2018 15:35:23 GMT
It may take me as long to get to it as it did for you to watch Star Wars . I'm currently watching a bunch of newspaper-centric movies (some from the previous thread). I've also got a free month of Netflix which I'm using to (hopefully) start and finish a few tv series. Oh, I expected that! No worries. It’s just a recommendation—and a newspaper-connected one at that, however much that’s not the focus of the movie. By the way, for your other thread, did you only want small-town newspaper ones? Because if they’re just generally newspaper-centric, there would be a lot more of them. I would say that Ed Cunningham and his newspaper are central plot elements made interesting due to the small town setting and it being a period piece where newspapers held more influence on people's lives.
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Post by geode on Sept 14, 2018 11:03:24 GMT
I have a huge fan base of this film living in my house. Unfortunately they are termites and they are such avid fans that they ate the cover off of my laserdisc copy.
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Post by geode on Sept 10, 2018 8:39:35 GMT
His name never changed from Yeshua in Hebrew (Although it could have been pronounced any number of ways since the vowels are approximate guesses). Further, his name is not Jesus even around the world right now. So the answer is simply that the name as it is translated &/or pronunciated in your country or by custom.
If a man named Frank moved to China or Brazil his name would still be Frank.
Shouldn't Jesus be called Yeshua? Why did you spell Brasil as Brazil?
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Post by geode on Sept 8, 2018 19:15:39 GMT
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Post by geode on Sept 8, 2018 18:04:52 GMT
Notice that Randall's voice changed when he is delivering the final line. The accent was gone. During the movie he dropped it at strategic times.
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Post by geode on Sept 8, 2018 15:27:08 GMT
[last lines]
"Mike, the whole world is a circus if you look at it the right way. Every time you pick up a handful of dust, and see not the dust, but a mystery, a marvel, there in your hand, every time you stop and think, 'I'm alive, and being alive is fantastic!' Every time such a thing happens, Mike, you are part of the Circus of Dr. Lao."
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