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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 6, 2024 16:37:37 GMT
You're trying to equate racial violence in a different country or countries from decades ago to defend racial segregation in 2024. A segregated event in 2024 is wrong and against the law and against school policy. Why are you defending racial segregation? You're going to continue to beat that false equivalency narrative into the ground, because it's the only one you've got. When it fails to convince, you slip easily into the "you're defending (insert abomination of choice here)". Which is simply argument ad hominem, which is simply no argument at all. You have no counter-arguments beyond this; in Stormfront-land that's a workable tactic, I've no doubt. Outside of it you're going to have to do a little better than the ongoing spiel of 'decades of terroristic violence against a group/gee, they have an exclusionary swim team, that really annoys me' if you expect your arguments to be taken seriously. The policy in itself of racial segregation is evil and racist. Doesn't matter in 1954 or 2024. Doesn't matter about violence. The policy of racial segregation is wrong, against the law and school policy. it's a social taboo. So yeah, there is no difference in regard to segregation be it in 1954 Alabama or a Canadian University in 2024. Do you condemn the illegal practice of racial segregation at Waterloo University? You're not alone in turning a blind eye to racism as it seems the University administration, faculty and student body are looking the other way or even support the illegal practice of racial segregation. So much for their policy of diversity and inclusion. This is the kind of "racism' that causes outrage and calls for action and has the school and fraternity having to issue statements. A student wearing a black mask to a goth party. baylorlariat.com/2024/02/01/sorority-faces-backlash-for-member-in-blackface-mask/
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 5, 2024 22:25:27 GMT
No, you're deflecting away from the fact that segregation is considered racist and evil. People fought against it. There is racial segregation happening at Waterloo University in Canada. It's wrong and against the law. It even goes against their own code. You are trying to defend segregation by bringing up ancient history from a different era and country. Then you try and equate Canada 2024 with those incidents by implying they need their safe space in 2024 Canada because white people are violent. Just check again those racial crime stats in America. We're committed to creating a safe, inclusive space for everyone.uwaterloo.ca/future-students/student-life/inclusivity-diversityAt the end of the day, you're equating decades of violent oppression of Blacks by a White majority with the supposedly heinous 'crime' of the fact of an exclusionary swim team. The comparison is ludicrous to anyone not committed to a Stormfront-style view on matters racial. Give it up already, it doesn't sound any better no matter how many times you repeat it. You're trying to equate racial violence in a different country or countries from decades ago to defend racial segregation in 2024. A segregated event in 2024 is wrong and against the law and against school policy. Why are you defending racial segregation?
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 5, 2024 22:02:04 GMT
I didn't equate centuries of brutality against anyone with a swim class. Segregation is wrong. That's what we are told. Discrimination based on race is wrong and against the law. It is that simple. And if you want to bring up white thugs and their violence against blacks then I will always counter with racial crime stats that are more recent. You are deflecting because you can't admit that there is racial segregation that benefits blacks and discriminates against other groups including whites which is again something you won't admit. Blacks in Canada can have their own racially segregated swim class because of something that happened in 1920's Alabama. Good grief. Don't be fatuous. Your whole line of argument on this thread has hinged on the notion that violent oppression of Blacks throughout American history is no worse than the fact that Whites are occasionally confronted with something like an all-Black swim team in the present, as though the two things held equal levels of moral weight. You're trying to deflect away from that fact by starting up with the 'Black people commit more crimes against Whites'--in point of fact, most Black-related crime figures pertain to Black on Black crime, which is more prevalent--and 'Black people get more societal benefits than anyone else' (i.e., of course, Whites). These arguments may go over big time in conservative land. Here, not so much. No, you're deflecting away from the fact that segregation is considered racist and evil. People fought against it. There is racial segregation happening at Waterloo University in Canada. It's wrong and against the law. It even goes against their own code. You are trying to defend segregation by bringing up ancient history from a different era and country. Then you try and equate Canada 2024 with those incidents by implying they need their safe space in 2024 Canada because white people are violent. Just check again those racial crime stats in America. We're committed to creating a safe, inclusive space for everyone.uwaterloo.ca/future-students/student-life/inclusivity-diversity
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 5, 2024 20:55:32 GMT
Nice deflection. I'm saying segregation is wrong no matter the time or place. Segregation is segregation. You seem to have provided links from all over the place and going back centuries. Are you saying blacks in 2024 need a safe space to swim because of violent white people? If you want to go down that road think you might to want to check out recent American race crime stats. You're still trying to equate centuries of brute repression of Blacks as being equivalent in awfulness to Whites being disallowed participation on a Black swim team. When you can stop attempting to push ridiculous narratives like that, I'll give you a hearing. And where's your history of doing or saying anything against White segregationist oppression of Blacks, historically? Maybe you have spoken against it, but I can't find any record of it here. Your posts always seem to be the same dreary whinge about how the White man is so put upon by those minorities seeking the selfsame equality you claim the Constitution and the law stand for. Of course, when all else fails, it's time to reach for the "We all know who the real criminals are" line. Typical. (BTW, check the dateline on some of those hits. Yes, Blacks are still confronted by White thugs--er, excuse me, patriots--threatening them with violence in public spaces in this first quarter of the 21st century.) I didn't equate centuries of brutality against anyone with a swim class. Segregation is wrong. That's what we are told. Discrimination based on race is wrong and against the law. It is that simple. And if you want to bring up white thugs and their violence against blacks then I will always counter with racial crime stats that are more recent. You are deflecting because you can't admit that there is racial segregation that benefits blacks and discriminates against other groups including whites which is again something you won't admit. Blacks in Canada can have their own racially segregated swim class because of something that happened in 1920's Alabama. Good grief.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 5, 2024 20:23:19 GMT
Nice deflection. I'm saying segregation is wrong no matter the time or place. Segregation is segregation. You seem to have provided links from all over the place and going back centuries. Are you saying blacks in 2024 need a safe space to swim because of violent white people? If you want to go down that road think you might to want to check out recent American race crime stats.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 4, 2024 20:58:59 GMT
You learn from history so as not to repeat. We learned segregation was bad so that we don't segregate today. I denounce segregated swim classes based on race. I don't see how anyone can excuse segregation based on race especially today. And I don't see how anyone can equate the historical fact of a brutalizing of a people with a group having it's own swim team, so I guess that us us at a bit of an impasse. One of the brutalities that faced blacks was segregation. Why is it ok to have a segregated swim class?
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 4, 2024 20:33:56 GMT
I have historical perspective. You do not have historical perspective. Segregation is seen as evil, discriminatory and racist both historically and presently. Something deemed too white is something that needs to be fixed today. It's typical of leftists to go on about diversity and inclusion, the horrors of segregation and racism while promoting and celebrating racism and segregation or at the very least downplaying it. people like that are massive hypocrites and racist. And it's typical of rightists--White rightists, at any rate--to equate a juridical thorn in their side with decades of oppression and brutality against a non-White group. If you call that 'perspective' you need new glasses. You learn from history so as not to repeat. We learned segregation was bad so that we don't segregate today. I denounce segregated swim classes based on race. I don't see how anyone can excuse segregation based on race especially today.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 4, 2024 17:52:40 GMT
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 4, 2024 17:47:16 GMT
A longwinded way of showing your lack of historical perspective. Blacks were being lynched, terrorized, burnt out of their homes, denied voting rights and the most basic of civil liberties, and more during the period in question. Whites aren't experiencing anything remotely resembling this; but of course the fact of an all-Black swim team, to the rightwinger, is at least equal to that sort of violence if not worse. Conservatives sure do like to pull out the fainting couch quite a lot, I realize, but try to get some sort of grip on this before drawing comparisons between pre-Civil Rights Act southern Blacks and current-era Whites. The sort of pearl-clutching show of hysterics that tries to make the two somehow equivalent in heinousness is so absurd as to come across as surreal. I have historical perspective. You do not have historical perspective. Segregation is seen as evil, discriminatory and racist both historically and presently. Something deemed too white is something that needs to be fixed today. It's typical of leftists to go on about diversity and inclusion, the horrors of segregation and racism while promoting and celebrating racism and segregation or at the very least downplaying it. people like that are massive hypocrites and racist.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 3, 2024 19:17:50 GMT
I figured that would be your response. People all across the world have had exclusive places for specific groups for centuries. Still do. In north America we have been taught segregation by race is bad. Discrimination by race is bad. Not only bad but against the law. I think segregation in the American south was a bad thing. I'm sure you feel the same. I think segregation today is bad. You however upon seeing a segregated swim class or dorms seem to have a couldn't care less flippant attitude. Why is that? Whites have benefitted from this same exclusivity and racism for centuries. Predictably they now express outrage, and want to invoke tenets of law, 'justice' and principle when the tide turns in the opposite direction. They go into hysterics, shouting that the End Of Western Civilization As We Know It is on the very doorstep. What will actually happen is that Whites will survive it, and will also have to survive the knowledge that the hegemony no longer belongs solely to them. Transitional pains coming about as a result of this will be acute, sometimes severe. But Whites won't be disappearing, nor will their institutions vanish from the face of the earth. They'll just have learned that realities they took for granted were not so real after all; their systems of legal and ethical principles will survive--they'll just now have to take into account that those systems really don't exist just for the service of the dominant majority, and they'll have to learn that racism and exclusivity really are as bad as they now go around canting that it is. A long-winded way of showing your hypocrisy. To put it very simply, if segregation was bad in the American south before civil rights it is just as bad if not worse to have a black only swim class in 2024. Do we not all agree on that? It's a violation of civil rights and against the law. That goes for similar acts of discrimination and segregation. wpde.com/news/nation-world/calif-school-district-sued-over-racially-segregated-playdate-for-elementary-schoolers-oakland-unified-california-education-critical-race-theory-crisis-in-the-classroomEEOC had to come in and school Mark Cuban on discrimination.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 2, 2024 18:05:11 GMT
Years ago, the south in America had pretty bad racial problems. Segregation and racial discrimination being something that people fought to get rid of by passing civil rights laws. Now you have segregation and racial discrimination in Canada 2024. Position 1, all areas of artificial intelligence. The call is open only to qualified individuals who self-identify as women, transgender, gender-fluid, non-binary, or Two-spirit.
Position 2, all areas of computer science. The call is open only to qualified individuals who self-identify as a member of a racialized minority.cs.uwaterloo.ca/nserc-crc-tier1SWIMMING -- BLACK FOLX SWIM local_offer $0.00 Come and enjoy the pool with other Black folx! This dedicated time can be used for lengths or recreation in the six available lanes for Fast, Medium and Recreational swimming. The diving well is open. Please follow the "Lane Swim Etiquette" and all Health Regulations as posted on the wall of the pool for the safety and enjoyment of all participants. These lessons will be taught by experienced black swimmers/instructors.warrior.uwaterloo.ca/Program/GetProgramDetails?courseId=9bdb69a7-b1a3-49a6-9abb-b0c7eea81d5avancouversun.com/opinion/black-only-race-segregation-on-canadian-universities/wcm/d411e312-4ac4-40e1-bdf7-c78eef4eb409Males, and especially White males, have had these sorts of enclaves for exclusivity for decades; centuries, for that matter. Now they're going off the chain because other groups are engaging in anything remotely similar. Taking the long view, this storm of outrage is amusing in mildly instructive sort of way. I figured that would be your response. People all across the world have had exclusive places for specific groups for centuries. Still do. In north America we have been taught segregation by race is bad. Discrimination by race is bad. Not only bad but against the law. I think segregation in the American south was a bad thing. I'm sure you feel the same. I think segregation today is bad. You however upon seeing a segregated swim class or dorms seem to have a couldn't care less flippant attitude. Why is that?
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 1, 2024 22:23:54 GMT
There are such things as points of view, and news can be, and often is, slanted to fit those viewpoints. And the current viewpoint of rightist conservatives is to simply deny that White populations have ever harmed people of other races and cultures in any way; and that whatever was forced upon these people was ultimately good for them and nothing but beneficial in the final analysis. And their publications tend to drive home this attitude repeatedly--and often in a quite shrill manner. I prefer boring accuracy to agenda-driven conservative-panic style journalism any day of the week. That is nonsense. The human rights abuses done to other cultures have been acknowledged throughout. Eg: Slavery in the South, etc. Nobody is denying that abused occurred at these residential schools. What is being refuted is the accusations of genocide, etc. Years ago, the south in America had pretty bad racial problems. Segregation and racial discrimination being something that people fought to get rid of by passing civil rights laws. Now you have segregation and racial discrimination in Canada 2024. Position 1, all areas of artificial intelligence. The call is open only to qualified individuals who self-identify as women, transgender, gender-fluid, non-binary, or Two-spirit.
Position 2, all areas of computer science. The call is open only to qualified individuals who self-identify as a member of a racialized minority.cs.uwaterloo.ca/nserc-crc-tier1SWIMMING -- BLACK FOLX SWIM local_offer $0.00 Come and enjoy the pool with other Black folx! This dedicated time can be used for lengths or recreation in the six available lanes for Fast, Medium and Recreational swimming. The diving well is open. Please follow the "Lane Swim Etiquette" and all Health Regulations as posted on the wall of the pool for the safety and enjoyment of all participants. These lessons will be taught by experienced black swimmers/instructors.warrior.uwaterloo.ca/Program/GetProgramDetails?courseId=9bdb69a7-b1a3-49a6-9abb-b0c7eea81d5avancouversun.com/opinion/black-only-race-segregation-on-canadian-universities/wcm/d411e312-4ac4-40e1-bdf7-c78eef4eb409
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 1, 2024 16:53:33 GMT
Notice how these people can express so much outrage and sympathy for one group and then just blow off another group when it comes to hate and persecution. I discount the notion of widespread Christian persecution as largely overblown. When it happens it's deplorable, but when Christians try to position themselves as somehow being the most fiercely persecuted group around, I get annoyed. There is a definite and longtime tradition of Christians liking to view themselves as a uniquely persecuted people that's found a very comfortable niche in Christian conservative thinking today, and it's being trotted out with some frequency by those same conservatives who also wish to downplay the very real persecutions (current and historical) of other, non-Christian and/or non-White groups--sometimes at the hands of predominantly White Christians. A long-winded way off saying you don't give a damn when certain groups suffer persecution, racism, discrimination etc.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 1, 2024 16:51:00 GMT
I didn't say there was no abuse. I've said that just like orphanages, foster homes, boarding schools etc there will be some very bad, some very good but most in between. As I linked to some of the schools were certainly much better than life on the reservations. The whole narrative that all the schools were evil and everyone that worked there were evil, and all intentions were evil is also wrong. It is also extremely wrong that in the present day a global media narrative pushed by politicians such as the PM of Canada to lie about 215 children's bodies found. That is evil. Why did they do that and continue to do so? Possibly one reason might be found in the fact that the whole narrative was ignored by the country for so long. No...no one entity is generally all bad (with of course obvious and glaring exceptions)...but a system that was essentially grounded in eradicating a culture based in the patronizing rubric that it was all meant for those poor primitives own good, is far from being altogether a positive, either. How was the culture going to be eradicated when after the school term finishes, they go back to their reservation where they are free to practice their culture?
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 1, 2024 3:07:26 GMT
Marvelous how Christians can always find ways to use the fact of exploitation and maltreatment of other groups to further wallow in the masochistic pleasures of their own persecution fantasies. So glad that you are an atheist, amyghost , & do not have to ever experience having a place of worship be threatened. Unless & until you experience that (& obviously never will, unless you should ever change from being an atheist), you cannot comment on what we (my parish) went through, back then. Notice how these people can express so much outrage and sympathy for one group and then just blow off another group when it comes to hate and persecution.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 1, 2024 2:50:14 GMT
My view is that the viewpoint of mainstream media, academia, corporations, leftist politicians, outspoken celebs, various activists etc is too simply deny white populations have never contributed anything that was ultimately good for society. Perhaps inherently racist and evil. The flipside is that minorities through their diversity make everything great. Perhaps almost immune from being anything such as racist or evil. When they're not contributing all that is great to society and praised to the rooftops for it, they're also portrayed as the hapless victims of white supremacy. This attitude is driven home repeatedly and often in a shrill manner. To paraphrase Jane Austen, Whites have held the pen down the centuries. It's no surprise that their narrative dominates. It's also no surprise that at least some of them are sweating bullets these days over the fact that other hands are now holding, and using, their own pens; and other facets and versions of that dominant narrative are emerging. It's generally Whites who are the 'shrillest' in defending their own position on this. I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 1, 2024 2:50:04 GMT
Looks like we have a case of what we touched upon the other day with your Rebel video. The mainstream media who pushed the grave hoax has their hoax questioned by conservative media so conservative media is branded right wing so they must be biased or pushing their own fake narrative. Fact is that they pushed a lie about graves full of dead children found when they know there have been no bodies found. Hundreds of dead children when in fact all they had were ground anomalies. One heck of a leap to make. Two years and no dead bodies and the like of BBC and NY Times still have the stories up. A link was provided for Thompson Rivers University who said 215 children's bodies had been found. Sadly, at time of completing this report, this commitment was further underscored as we found ourselves with so many others mourning with our First House, Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc, on whose unceded land our Kamloops campus is located. Their discovery of the remains of 215 children whose lives were lost at the Kamloops Indian Residential School cast a fresh light on Canada’s treatment of Indigenous peoples. It also cast a fresh light on why we need to continue with the important work of truth and reconciliation.www.tru.ca/__shared/assets/2020_to_202154558.pdfOf course, the right-wing never makes up its own narratives. Even if this particular incident were to turn out false, it doesn't erase the fact that massive abuse took place in these schools. And of course, rightwing conservatives will continue in their denials that any of it took place. Certainly don't expect any of them to take the one step further thought that the whole motivation behind those schools might have been destructive, abusive, and just plain wrong in the first place. scholar.google.com/scholar?q=abuse+in+residential+schools&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholartI didn't say there was no abuse. I've said that just like orphanages, foster homes, boarding schools etc there will be some very bad, some very good but most in between. As I linked to some of the schools were certainly much better than life on the reservations. The whole narrative that all the schools were evil and everyone that worked there were evil, and all intentions were evil is also wrong. It is also extremely wrong that in the present day a global media narrative pushed by politicians such as the PM of Canada to lie about 215 children's bodies found. That is evil. Why did they do that and continue to do so?
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Jan 31, 2024 21:36:07 GMT
I don't think they got it wrong or made a mistake. I think it was a deliberate lie. First Nations, Trudeau, Singh, media, activists deliberately lied and created a hoax to push on the public. Yep. Anti-christian bigotry at its finest, alright. My own parish was one of the churches that was vandalized, plus, our priest had to be removed, because of bomb threats to our Church. You know what is a bigger story than finding the bodies of 215 murdered indigenous children? Finding out that it was a deliberate lie. Or it should be.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Jan 31, 2024 21:15:56 GMT
Yep, two years, no bodies and they still have it out there that 215 bodies of dead children have been found. So they are wrong. I don't think they got it wrong or made a mistake. I think it was a deliberate lie. First Nations, Trudeau, Singh, media, activists deliberately lied and created a hoax to push on the public.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Jan 31, 2024 21:04:11 GMT
Looks like we have a case of what we touched upon the other day with your Rebel video. The mainstream media who pushed the grave hoax has their hoax questioned by conservative media so conservative media is branded right wing so they must be biased or pushing their own fake narrative. Fact is that they pushed a lie about graves full of dead children found when they know there have been no bodies found. Hundreds of dead children when in fact all they had were ground anomalies. One heck of a leap to make. Two years and no dead bodies and the like of BBC and NY Times still have the stories up. A link was provided for Thompson Rivers University who said 215 children's bodies had been found. Sadly, at time of completing this report, this commitment was further underscored as we found ourselves with so many others mourning with our First House, Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc, on whose unceded land our Kamloops campus is located. Their discovery of the remains of 215 children whose lives were lost at the Kamloops Indian Residential School cast a fresh light on Canada’s treatment of Indigenous peoples. It also cast a fresh light on why we need to continue with the important work of truth and reconciliation.www.tru.ca/__shared/assets/2020_to_202154558.pdfThat weblink goes back to the time when the Kamloops cemetery was discovered. To this DATE, no bodies of children were ever found in those graves. Yep, two years, no bodies and they still have it out there that 215 bodies of dead children have been found.
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