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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 30, 2018 19:46:43 GMT
So... hate on MCU, eh? Ok, then what's this for example:
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I'm especially fond of the third one.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 30, 2018 20:04:31 GMT
So... hate on MCU, eh? Ok, then what's this for example:
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Example 3 -
I'm especially fond of the third one. To be fair len, I don't think he's trying to hide his bias.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 30, 2018 20:17:15 GMT
So... hate on MCU, eh? Ok, then what's this for example:
example 1 -
Example 2 -
Example 3 -
I'm especially fond of the third one. To be fair len, I don't think he's trying to hide his bias. "DCEU fans are retards. All of 'em." Yeah I think you're right. Nothing tentative about that! LOL!
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Post by bud47 on Aug 30, 2018 20:33:36 GMT
The humor in the MCU films DOES work (most of the time), as evidenced by their continued success. It just doesn't work for YOU, because you prefer your films dark and serious. Not everything needs to be The Dark Knight or DOFP. That "continued success" is because of the formula which consistently brings in family audiences (who know nothing about the source material) and kids. The formula ensures nearly all their films are lighthearted with comedy, family friendly and play it safe aka by the numbers. If Fox Xmen ever went down that route and sold out so they could sell more toys, I would be saying the same thing. The MCU makes certain choices and compromises here and there that allows them to ensure their longevity and to continue making films. Personally, this doesn't bother me as much as it does you and I'm a longtime fan that's familiar with the source material. There are many hardcore comic book and film fans out there that enjoy the MCU films, not just families and kids as you seem to assume. They've reached a middle ground where their films are crowd-pleasing, yet still remain faithful to the spirit of the source material. If that means sometimes including some predictability, some groan-inducing humor and expected big, explosive finales (that rightfully belong in films of this nature mind you), I'm fine with that. As long as they still have it where it counts, which they do in my opinion. If Fox had done something similar, even to a lesser degree, they may still be around instead of having to sell to Disney.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 30, 2018 21:28:39 GMT
Nah, you can tell the ones that genuinely don't like or care for the movies and the ones that are not liking them just because. I mean, the hardcore "haters" here say the same things like they are using a script. The funny thing about this statement: "...the hardcore "haters" here say the same things like they are using a script." is that I can honestly say the SAME EXACT THING about the MCU haters when they hate on DCEU. As a matter of fact any criticism you can lob at DCEU fans can be said about MCU fans too. Maybe you don't see it because you skew MCU, but its just as bad.
The only thing that I can say that is honestly true is that BOTH sides have assholes in their midst, and both sides claim the other side is worse.
Well, I didn't say anything about a side. Just hardcore haters.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 30, 2018 21:33:24 GMT
Let me tell you about the unchanging script of the X-men movies sometime. Maybe with that haci Singer gone we'll get a different story. Wait, Magneto and Mystique is in the movie. Nevermind. Thats a recurring plot point, which should have been sealed after X2. There is no Xmen formula akin to MCU. Xmen films dont all end in mindless CGI clobber fests. They dont have MCU patented cheesy comedy and bathos humour or medoicre-terrible villains or light hearted, watered down stories or filler movies just to set up the next ensemble or low stakes with fake deaths. Star wars copied the mcu formula (DCEU tried) and theyre in disarray. Same will happen with Disney Xmen. Recurring plot point? In every movie? Some would call that a formula.
Your posts is a formula.
The MCU X-men can only get better than what we've gotten so far from Fox.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 30, 2018 21:52:51 GMT
The MCU X-men can only get better than what we've gotten so far from Fox. They will get dumber thats for certain.
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Post by bud47 on Aug 30, 2018 22:12:32 GMT
The MCU X-men can only get better than what we've gotten so far from Fox. They will get dumber thats for certain. Can't get much dumber than Apocalypse and soon to be Dark Phoenix. They should have stopped with Logan and end things on a high note.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 31, 2018 4:21:32 GMT
But aren't DC fans the ones that try to prove that "MARTHA!" is a very bold and sophisticated piece of storytelling? well, I do not know if it can ever be considered "bold" or "sophisticated" to have middle aged men with mommy issues clobber each other. All I can say Martha is a loss less cringe worthy than "I don't care, he killed my mom!" Boooom. I can see why two clobbering heroes resolve their philosophical issues by finding common ground: Saving the ones they love. Here: by rescuing their mothers who (since decades) happen to have the same name. Perfect for Bruce who fail to save his Martha as a kid (Act 1), now given a second chance to save Supes Martha. Cheesy as hell but I at least get the idea. However, I do not get the idea why - middle aged superhero Iron Man - in the middle of a crisis on hostile territory - on a mission to finally make peace&amends with Cap/WS - starts firing rockets and starts clobbering Cap and WS - because he realizes his mommy (who he didn't mention so far) - was killed decades ago by Winter Solder - a man who was brainwashed into a mindless drone by an evil org - and who is a victim himself. That is one of the dumbest, most forced, contrived writings I ever saw. Let's not start on the dumb plan of the villain. And the camera that just happened to be conveniently placed in the right location and at the right angle to capture the 2 killings, the same camera footage that the police never bothered to check, the same camera footage that no one but Zemo was able to find 25 years later. And the incompetent coroner, who somehow ruled the 2 deaths an accidental death despite the fact that Maria Stark was choked to death and would've had palm prints and bruises around her neck and a crushed larynx.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 31, 2018 8:33:59 GMT
They will get dumber thats for certain. Can't get much dumber than Apocalypse and soon to be Dark Phoenix. They should have stopped with Logan and end things on a high note. Cant get much dumber than Starlord dancing to the villain when hes about to kill millions. Or dumber than a climatic fight which takes place in a Thomas the tank engine PLAYSET. Or dumber than grown adults play fighting in a public airport over nothing. Or a laughably dumb power rangers-esque fight at the end of Black Panther.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 31, 2018 9:32:19 GMT
well, I do not know if it can ever be considered "bold" or "sophisticated" to have middle aged men with mommy issues clobber each other. All I can say Martha is a loss less cringe worthy than "I don't care, he killed my mom!" Boooom. I can see why two clobbering heroes resolve their philosophical issues by finding common ground: Saving the ones they love. Here: by rescuing their mothers who (since decades) happen to have the same name. Perfect for Bruce who fail to save his Martha as a kid (Act 1), now given a second chance to save Supes Martha. Cheesy as hell but I at least get the idea. However, I do not get the idea why - middle aged superhero Iron Man - in the middle of a crisis on hostile territory - on a mission to finally make peace&amends with Cap/WS - starts firing rockets and starts clobbering Cap and WS - because he realizes his mommy (who he didn't mention so far) - was killed decades ago by Winter Solder - a man who was brainwashed into a mindless drone by an evil org - and who is a victim himself. That is one of the dumbest, most forced, contrived writings I ever saw. Let's not start on the dumb plan of the villain. And the camera that just happened to be conveniently placed in the right location and at the right angle to capture the 2 killings, the same camera footage that the police never bothered to check, the same camera footage that no one but Zemo was able to find 25 years later. And the incompetent coroner, who somehow ruled the 2 deaths an accidental murder despite the fact that Maria Stark was choked to death and would've had palm prints and bruises around her neck and a crushed larynx. And the Zemo villain who conveniently has knowledge of this top confidential material weaves a convoluted plot so that that emo-Stark sees the footage right on time to clobber Cap and WS. How did Zemo know that Tony would start to clobber instead of realizing "we are being ridiculously played by the bad guys so that we break apart".
Plausibly, why did Zemo not just upload this material on the internet and/or send by e-mail or post? Would increase the pressure manifold. Like say with Gunn's pedo tweets and vids? That Cernovich guy seems to be a lot smarter villain - maybe MCU should take example with that guy when writing villains.
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Post by sostie on Aug 31, 2018 12:03:40 GMT
Independent? Are you trying to make it look like Disney came first? And that everyone else are the underdogs? All the others have more experience. The MCU should be the underdogs.
LOL....Came first. for a person that likes to deny facts. you know WW origins story came first before CA right? it does not matter who had the adaption of film first.
Are you talking about in comics? In which case, you are wrong
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Post by charzhino on Aug 31, 2018 12:56:29 GMT
And the camera that just happened to be conveniently placed in the right location and at the right angle to capture the 2 killings, the same camera footage that the police never bothered to check, the same camera footage that no one but Zemo was able to find 25 years later. And the incompetent coroner, who somehow ruled the 2 deaths an accidental murder despite the fact that Maria Stark was choked to death and would've had palm prints and bruises around her neck and a crushed larynx. And also the idiocy of the fact a stealth assassin who is only talked about in ghost like mythological terms and debated whther he even exists (Cap 2/Black widow), the winter soldier kills Starks parents INFRONT of the camera and then shoots the camera AFTER (how is the footage still intact, this is 1991) hes assassinated them. Surely a trained and methodical assassin isnt that stupid. Even if he was, why would HYDRA not just destroy that footage permanently. Why keep it safe? If it ever leaked (which it did) then it shows the truth. Theres no reason they would keep the footage. And btw Zemos plan is to permanently destroy the Avengers and not just in the short term. And it relies on Stark being an idiot and hoping hes doesn't realize eventually that Bucky was brainwashed and wasnt his fault. Even Stark isnt that stupid to permanently hold it against Cap/Bucky The premise (both of them- the accords and zemos plan) of Civil War is just plain insulting to anyone with intelligence and its really unbelievable why people hold it in such high regard. I saw posters point of flaws in Dark Knight Rises. Civil Wars is worse.
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Post by sostie on Aug 31, 2018 13:24:18 GMT
There seems to be a lot of complaints about an MCU "formula" yet DCEU are pretty happy to emulate the MCU and it's films.
Whether it be the idea of an ongoing "shared universe" that introduces characters on the way to the big "team" movie, having a criminal team-up film with a popular music heavy soundtrack, or just the numerous similarities the likes of Wonder Wonder and Justice League has to earlier MCU films.
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Post by sostie on Aug 31, 2018 13:25:32 GMT
well, I do not know if it can ever be considered "bold" or "sophisticated" to have middle aged men with mommy issues clobber each other. All I can say Martha is a loss less cringe worthy than "I don't care, he killed my mom!" Boooom. I can see why two clobbering heroes resolve their philosophical issues by finding common ground: Saving the ones they love. Here: by rescuing their mothers who (since decades) happen to have the same name. Perfect for Bruce who fail to save his Martha as a kid (Act 1), now given a second chance to save Supes Martha. Cheesy as hell but I at least get the idea. However, I do not get the idea why - middle aged superhero Iron Man - in the middle of a crisis on hostile territory - on a mission to finally make peace&amends with Cap/WS - starts firing rockets and starts clobbering Cap and WS - because he realizes his mommy (who he didn't mention so far) - was killed decades ago by Winter Solder - a man who was brainwashed into a mindless drone by an evil org - and who is a victim himself. That is one of the dumbest, most forced, contrived writings I ever saw. Let's not start on the dumb plan of the villain. And the camera that just happened to be conveniently placed in the right location and at the right angle to capture the 2 killings, the same camera footage that the police never bothered to check, the same camera footage that no one but Zemo was able to find 25 years later. And the incompetent coroner, who somehow ruled the 2 deaths an accidental murder despite the fact that Maria Stark was choked to death and would've had palm prints and bruises around her neck and a crushed larynx. And yet, none of this is as ridiculous as The Magic Boat
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Post by bud47 on Aug 31, 2018 14:46:28 GMT
Can't get much dumber than Apocalypse and soon to be Dark Phoenix. They should have stopped with Logan and end things on a high note. Cant get much dumber than Starlord dancing to the villain when hes about to kill millions. Or dumber than a climatic fight which takes place in a Thomas the tank engine PLAYSET. Or dumber than grown adults play fighting in a public airport over nothing. Or a laughably dumb power rangers-esque fight at the end of Black Panther.
Yet you continue to watch these films. Why? Do you enjoy punishing yourself? You know who they're made for and that doesn't include you apparently. I'll give you the bad CGI fight scene in Black Panther. That needed some work. But if you actually paid attention to any of the other scenes you mentioned instead of just looking for reasons to ridicule, you would understand why they're there. I guess I'm just more willing to let certain things go for the sake of entertainment (it's called suspension of disbelief), especially when it comes to comic book films about superheroes. Whereas you nitpick every little detail and circumstance, expecting Oscar level quality in every scene of every film. These films aren't aiming for that and never have. They're pure entertainment. It all comes down to preference. There's a lot that you could nitpick and ridicule in the FoX-Men films as well (like a lot), but you ignore those and give them a pass because you prefer those films over the MCU for being darker and more serious.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 1, 2018 1:50:37 GMT
And the camera that just happened to be conveniently placed in the right location and at the right angle to capture the 2 killings, the same camera footage that the police never bothered to check, the same camera footage that no one but Zemo was able to find 25 years later. And the incompetent coroner, who somehow ruled the 2 deaths an accidental murder despite the fact that Maria Stark was choked to death and would've had palm prints and bruises around her neck and a crushed larynx. And yet, none of this is as ridiculous as The Magic Boat Actually, a boat made by the Olympian Gods that travels a super speeds isn't ridiculous. What I ridiculous is MCU fans who need it spelled out for them that when the Olympian Gods create a boat, they aren't going to create a boat that travels as slow as other boats. But then again, MCU fans probably still can't believe that the Olympian Gods can create a helmet that makes the wearer invisible or a lasso that compels anyone to tell the truth and obey any command or a winged stallion that can fly.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 1, 2018 8:34:21 GMT
LOL....Came first. for a person that likes to deny facts. you know WW origins story came first before CA right? it does not matter who had the adaption of film first. you know James Cameron ripped off DOFP right? they came first that is fact.
MCU are not underdogs they are dog-shit. their shit made the comic genre stinks. not even films like Logan, Spiderman 2, TDK can clean up their shit as credible as those films are.
People hate the MCU because they constantly make bad cgi mediocre written movies that is now the overwhelmely collective opinion because it is the truth.
Are you even reading my posts? Bryan Singer ripped-off T2 when he made DoFP. It doesn't matter when the comic came out. The only thing that the movie version of DoFP has similar to the comic is time travel and Mystique causing a dark future.
Ethan Hawke hates Logan.
Singer ripped of T2 as much as captain america ripped of wonder woman and maybe infinity ripped of dofp afterall infinity war was called a retarded version of DOFP.
Hakwe is an anomaly, He hated logan and still called it the finest of the comic films made compared to the rest that are trash which means mcu movies.lol.
ethan hake hating logan to me is no different from rdj hating TDK but thankfully, when it comes to mcu the majority of film makers and actor hate mcu. only a tiny little few hate xmen or dc movies.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 1, 2018 8:39:55 GMT
If that's true, then WB/DC would have no problem using that "formula." You know they would if they could, honey. DC fans are less accepting of that formula, they tend to be adults and more demanding. JL demonstrated it.
But you manchildren love your MCU formula; Marvel milks it in large quantities so you can greedily suck it from it's sensitive nipples, until the day you spit it out realizing it's processed raccoon cum.
what is even more funny and yet cringe worthy is that mcu fans want everyone to follow their formula.
see how they are already showing hate to Phoenix's Joker and New Mutants? many even say they hope Spielberg's Blackhawk is never released, because they know Spielberg can easily make another Logan and TDK.
When xmen announced multiple man will be a heavy psychological drama film, mcu fans told themselves it will be comedy.LOL
For me, I think mcu fans already know their films are terrible that is the reason they want other films to look like theirs. lame
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Post by summers8 on Sept 1, 2018 8:51:16 GMT
Cant get much dumber than Starlord dancing to the villain when hes about to kill millions. Or dumber than a climatic fight which takes place in a Thomas the tank engine PLAYSET. Or dumber than grown adults play fighting in a public airport over nothing. Or a laughably dumb power rangers-esque fight at the end of Black Panther.
Yet you continue to watch these films. Why? Do you enjoy punishing yourself? You know who they're made for and that doesn't include you apparently. I'll give you the bad CGI fight scene in Black Panther. That needed some work. But if you actually paid attention to any of the other scenes you mentioned instead of just looking for reasons to ridicule, you would understand why they're there. I guess I'm just more willing to let certain things go for the sake of entertainment (it's called suspension of disbelief), especially when it comes to comic book films about superheroes. Whereas you nitpick every little detail and circumstance, expecting Oscar level quality in every scene of every film. These films aren't aiming for that and never have. They're pure entertainment. It all comes down to preference. There's a lot that you could nitpick and ridicule in the FoX-Men films as well (like a lot), but you ignore those and give them a pass because you prefer those films over the MCU for being darker and more serious. what is strange about black panther, why was that not heavily criticised..... the bad cgi scenes. it was less than a year ago, the media was mocking justice league's CGI
xmen origins had bad cgi scenes, that was mark down badly
JL had bad cgi scenes that was marked down badly
black panther had bad cgi scenes, add to the formula redo Thor 1 story and somehow it is the best mcu movie. lol..so called highest rated movie of all time on RT?
take first class, what aspect of black panther topped the scene from first class when it came to the combination of story telling, character development, music score and use of cgi
oh and xmen is darker and more serious because that is the comic story. even XMEN TAS and X-Men Evolution followed that rule. and the reason mcu xmen will fail but by then, the genre will be dead so when mcu xmen is out that looks like batman and robin, no one but rapid mcu fans will care but it will get worse, when mcu xmen is dismissed. meanwhile, people's love for films like X2 and DOFP will only grow more due to how bad mcu xmen is.
as I always said, it is not as if last jedi, force awakens and homecoming are bad to the bones, it is because we have already seen superior movies outside of the disney formula garbage.
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