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Post by sjg on Mar 8, 2019 11:15:00 GMT
I think its possible that Humans may colonize the moon and maybe Mars but i don`t think Humans will ever colonize anything beyond Mars. This is what I think too. Man may eventually explore the solar system but i think anything beyond Mars or closer to the sun than earth is too inhospitable to colonize.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Mar 8, 2019 11:19:22 GMT
I think it's possible that Humans may colonize the moon and maybe Mars but I don`t think Humans will ever colonize anything beyond Mars. This is what I think too. Man may eventually explore the solar system but I think anything beyond Mars or closer to the sun than earth is too inhospitable to colonize. Venus IS the WORST!!
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Mar 8, 2019 11:27:03 GMT
This is what I think too. Man may eventually explore the solar system but I think anything beyond Mars or closer to the sun than earth is too inhospitable to colonize. Venus IS the WORST!! Who knows maybe in the future we will be able to make androids or cyborgs that will function perfectly on planets like Venus. And they can colonize those planets and send back information to earth about the places.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 8, 2019 12:43:26 GMT
Given enough time, it's inevitable. The question is, do we have enough time? There you go antmac. Nothing adds to the excitement like a little risk, conflict, and mystery. And reality.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 8, 2019 16:26:02 GMT
There you go antmac. Nothing adds to the excitement like a little risk, conflict, and mystery. And reality. Yeah, reality. If we can't manage life on this planet successfully, we have no business spreading our chaos out to the universe. And I'm betting that we go extinct before we get a chance to colonize.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 8, 2019 17:00:55 GMT
Yeah, reality. If we can't manage life on this planet successfully, we have no business spreading our chaos out to the universe. And I'm betting that we go extinct before we get a chance to colonize. At present, I honestly think it's an each-way bet. I'm hoping for the STAR TREK future, but I'm expecting the TERMINATOR one...
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Mar 8, 2019 17:03:48 GMT
Unless some major catastrophe happens that destroys our civilisation, I am sure we will have permanent bases on the moon before the end of the century and on Mars and possibly the asteroid belt before 2199. Actual self-sustaining colonies with a large number of people living their entire lives there, I don't know. I don't discount the possibility, but I think it is far from certain - those places are not very life-friendly!
As for beyond the solar system, that will only happen if we develop some sort of Warp drive that allows for faster-than-light travel - and that's a gigantic "if"! With conventional propulsion, interstellar travel is simply not practical.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 8, 2019 18:02:12 GMT
There you go antmac. Nothing adds to the excitement like a little risk, conflict, and mystery. And reality. Wait a minute. What are you trying to say? I am not being realistic?
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Post by movieliker on Mar 8, 2019 18:13:35 GMT
Yeah, reality. If we can't manage life on this planet successfully, we have no business spreading our chaos out to the universe. And I'm betting that we go extinct before we get a chance to colonize. Now that's not very optimistic Rachel. It probably takes a little more positivity to power a successful space program. I don't think NASA will be calling you anytime soon.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 8, 2019 19:05:02 GMT
Wait a minute. What are you trying to say? I am not being realistic? Sorry, I can only give you 59 seconds. I'm not trying to say anything. I said it. I don't know if you are or are not.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 9, 2019 4:13:54 GMT
Yeah, reality. If we can't manage life on this planet successfully, we have no business spreading our chaos out to the universe. And I'm betting that we go extinct before we get a chance to colonize. At present, I honestly think it's an each-way bet. I'm hoping for the STAR TREK future, but I'm expecting the TERMINATOR one... Good analogy!
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 9, 2019 4:54:35 GMT
Yeah, reality. If we can't manage life on this planet successfully, we have no business spreading our chaos out to the universe. And I'm betting that we go extinct before we get a chance to colonize. Now that's not very optimistic Rachel. It probably takes a little more positivity to power a successful space program. I don't think NASA will be calling you anytime soon. Geez, I'm heart-broken that NASA won't be calling me anytime soon. But that's okay, I'd rather hear from the CDC. They deal with reality; antibiotic resistance, emerging pathogens as we destroy pristine rain forest, the impossibility of eradicating malaria, overpopulation creating a ripe environment for an outbreak of Ebola that cannot be contained... y'know, REALITY. Read up on the influenza pandemic of 1918-19, what percentage of the world population died. Before that, the Black Death, the Bubonic Plague. What if one of our enemies manages to weaponize anthrax? An extinction event is far more likely to happen, as it has before, than space travel. Just ask the dinosaurs...
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Post by movieliker on Mar 9, 2019 4:57:20 GMT
Now that's not very optimistic Rachel. It probably takes a little more positivity to power a successful space program. I don't think NASA will be calling you anytime soon. Geez, I'm heart-broken that NASA won't be calling me anytime soon. But that's okay, I'd rather hear from the CDC. They deal with reality; antibiotic resistance, emerging pathogens as we destroy pristine rain forest, the impossibility of eradicating malaria, overpopulation creating a ripe environment for an outbreak of Ebola that cannot be contained... y'know, REALITY. Read up on the influenza pandemic of 1918-19, what percentage of the world population died. Before that, the Black Death, the Bubonic Plague. What if one of our enemies manages to weaponize anthrax? An extinction event is far more likely to happen, as it has before, than space travel. Just ask the dinosaurs... That's great if you can get a job with the CDC. But even they are going to want some positivity. You go in there with the same pessimism, cynicism and negativity you have for the space program, you will never get the job.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 9, 2019 5:08:39 GMT
Geez, I'm heart-broken that NASA won't be calling me anytime soon. But that's okay, I'd rather hear from the CDC. They deal with reality; antibiotic resistance, emerging pathogens as we destroy pristine rain forest, the impossibility of eradicating malaria, overpopulation creating a ripe environment for an outbreak of Ebola that cannot be contained... y'know, REALITY. Read up on the influenza pandemic of 1918-19, what percentage of the world population died. Before that, the Black Death, the Bubonic Plague. What if one of our enemies manages to weaponize anthrax? An extinction event is far more likely to happen, as it has before, than space travel. Just ask the dinosaurs... That's great if you can get a job with the CDC. But even they are going to want some positivity. You go in there with the same pessimism, cynicism and negativity you have for the space program, you will never get the job. Who said I was looking for a job? They would call me to get a donation of my bone marrow, as I have a very rare, recessive genetic mutation that protects me from a virus. This isn't about optimism or pessimism, it's about REALITY.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 9, 2019 5:20:19 GMT
That's great if you can get a job with the CDC. But even they are going to want some positivity. You go in there with the same pessimism, cynicism and negativity you have for the space program, you will never get the job. Who said I was looking for a job? They would call me to get a donation of my bone marrow, as I have a very rare, recessive genetic mutation that protects me from a virus. This isn't about optimism or pessimism, it's about REALITY. And the reality is, mankind is always accomplishing things men before said would never be done. The difference is the accomplishers had positivity, vision, excitement and enthusiasm. And the naysayers were pessimistic, cynical and negative. Which one are you?
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 9, 2019 5:28:42 GMT
Who said I was looking for a job? They would call me to get a donation of my bone marrow, as I have a very rare, recessive genetic mutation that protects me from a virus. This isn't about optimism or pessimism, it's about REALITY.And the reality is, mankind is always accomplishing things men before said would never be done. The difference is the accomplishers had positivity, vision, excitement and enthusiasm. And the naysayers were pessimistic, cynical and negative. Which one are you? Asked and answered. You wanna be a cherry-cheerleader for space travel, knock yourself out. It won't affect the space program one way or another. It's up to politicians, whether or not it gets funded. Currently, our 'president' is more concerned about building a wall to keep 'others' out, regardless of the cost. Not much left over for NASA.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 9, 2019 5:37:06 GMT
And the reality is, mankind is always accomplishing things men before said would never be done. The difference is the accomplishers had positivity, vision, excitement and enthusiasm. And the naysayers were pessimistic, cynical and negative. Which one are you? Asked and answered. You wanna be a cherry-cheerleader for space travel, knock yourself out. It won't affect the space program one way or another. It's up to politicians, whether or not it gets funded. Currently, our 'president' is more concerned about building a wall to keep 'others' out, regardless of the cost. Not much left over for NASA. The space program is being funded mostly by private interests now. NASA picked one of three companies. They have just succeeded in flying an unmanned rocket to the space station and back. The next one will have real humans on it. www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-05/spacex-successfully-launches-its-20th-mission-of-the-year
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Post by gw on Mar 9, 2019 6:48:45 GMT
I imagine that there will be some space stations but again, they need a power source. Personally, I'm not sure how long in practice space stations will last. At the very least you should have at least two space stations so that there's one to live in while you're repairing the other one. My thoughts are that if something goes wrong it's much better to be on the surface of a planet or a large rocky moon than in a space station. Space stations have to be under constant maintenance, they're small, and any number of accidents could immediately cause a disaster. There are advantages, like earth level gravity, and for that matter, the lack of gravity in special sectors of the station which you can't get on a planet's surface. There are many advantages of space stations but in my view, they're for explorers and the hardiest of people. There's no denying their utility but if there's a choice between a space station and a planet with at least .6 Earth gravity, I'd probably choose the planet. You are limiting yourself to the technology of today. No telling what power sources will be available in the future. Good point that there may very well be some power source that we haven't found yet. I named one possible one, thermal energy from moons. But there either needs to be a way to transport enormous amounts of energy for space stations faraway from other places or some way to generate energy in the station or nearby, which is one of the things that would make space stations potentially unsafe. I can't predict what sources of energy will be available in the future. I can only speculate based on what we already know, which is that fusion has so far proven nearly impossible and that antimatter would be as costly in energy as it is to make as it gives out, not to mention incredibly dangerous. Does anybody have an idea about what could be used to generate energy that we haven't thought of so far or a way to have any speculation as to what would make a currently unfeasible one feasible? If the former, tell me, and if the latter, then tell people your idea on Cosmoquest.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 9, 2019 7:02:57 GMT
You are limiting yourself to the technology of today. No telling what power sources will be available in the future. Good point that there may very well be some power source that we haven't found yet. I named one possible one, thermal energy from moons. But there either needs to be a way to transport enormous amounts of energy for space stations faraway from other places or some way to generate energy in the station or nearby, which is one of the things that would make space stations potentially unsafe. I can't predict what sources of energy will be available in the future. I can only speculate based on what we already know, which is that fusion has so far proven nearly impossible and that antimatter would be as costly in energy as it is to make as it gives out, not to mention incredibly dangerous. Does anybody have an idea about what could be used to generate energy that we haven't thought of so far or a way to have any speculation as to what would make a currently unfeasible one feasible? If the former, tell me, and if the latter, then tell people your idea on Cosmoquest. Gas stations are incredibly dangerous. They have the potential to blow up. And they have done that before. There will be fueling stations in outer space. Just like there are fueling stations on Earth.
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Post by MCDemuth on Mar 9, 2019 7:44:44 GMT
There will be fueling stations in outer space. Just like there are fueling stations on Earth. That's possible... But, we already send probes and rovers on a Six Months journey to Mars without them... "Gas" stations may not be really needed to go to and from Mars. A Six Month Trip? Humans can do that... Plenty of TV & Movies, Music, & Video Games, which can be stored digitally on computers to keep crews busy during the trip... along with daily e-mails, and digital packages containing other information as well... We won't go crazy of boredom. We just need to make sure we have more than Disco Music though But... Food, Air, & Water?... That becomes the main issue... that is a lot of cargo to carry... "Gas" stations? As I said, probably not that much of a problem if there are none along the way... But 7/11's? Yeah, I could see a bunch of life support stations along the way to top off Food, Air, & Water supplies. OTHERWISE..."Life Support" supplies would become THE BIGGEST serious problem for interstellar travel... Even if we could travel, at the speed of light, to get the nearest star system, it would take 4.2 years to get there... Assuming that suspended animation would not be an option for the crew... we might be able to "entertain" ourselves for all that time... But, we would still have to transport 4.2 years worth of Food, Air, & Water during the trip. JUST ONE WAY! I think Human crewed Starships will look more like "Good Year Blimps" than something "Sleek and Fast". (They would be "Fatties", If you know what I mean.)
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