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Post by movieliker on Mar 9, 2019 8:06:44 GMT
There will be fueling stations in outer space. Just like there are fueling stations on Earth. That's possible... But, we already send probes and rovers on a Six Months journey to Mars without them... "Gas" stations may not be really needed to go to and from Mars. A Six Month Trip? Humans can do that... Plenty of TV & Movies, Music, & Video Games, which can be stored digitally on computers to keep crews busy during the trip... along with daily e-mails, and digital packages containing other information as well... We won't go crazy of boredom. We just need to make sure we have more than Disco Music though But... Food, Air, & Water?... That becomes the main issue... that is a lot of cargo to carry... "Gas" stations? As I said, probably not that much of a problem if there are none along the way... But 7/11's? Yeah, I could see a bunch of life support stations along the way to top off Food, Air, & Water supplies. OTHERWISE..."Life Support" supplies would become THE BIGGEST serious problem for interstellar travel... Even if we could travel, at the speed of light, to get the nearest star system, it would take 4.2 years to get there... Assuming that suspended animation would not be an option for the crew... we might be able to "entertain" ourselves for all that time... But, we would still have to transport 4.2 years worth of Food, Air, & Water during the trip. JUST ONE WAY! I think Human crewed Starships will look more like "Good Year Blimps" than something "Sleek and Fast". (They would be "Fatties", If you know what I mean.) There is no reason we would have to go far distances without supplies. Just build supply stations along the way. Once we colonize all of our solar system, just like you said, the will be the space equivalent of 7/11s everywhere. To get to the next star, just start building space stations in the space between our Sun and the next star. All of this without even considering better fuels and propulsion systems probably created in the future.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 9, 2019 14:19:44 GMT
Geez, I'm heart-broken that NASA won't be calling me anytime soon. But that's okay, I'd rather hear from the CDC. They deal with reality; antibiotic resistance, emerging pathogens as we destroy pristine rain forest, the impossibility of eradicating malaria, overpopulation creating a ripe environment for an outbreak of Ebola that cannot be contained... y'know, REALITY. Read up on the influenza pandemic of 1918-19, what percentage of the world population died. Before that, the Black Death, the Bubonic Plague. What if one of our enemies manages to weaponize anthrax? An extinction event is far more likely to happen, as it has before, than space travel. Just ask the dinosaurs... That's great if you can get a job with the CDC. But even they are going to want some positivity. You go in there with the same pessimism, cynicism and negativity you have for the space program, you will never get the job. A scientific research establishment has a list of necessities that include - but may not be limited to - private or public funding, scientific and technological equipment, an appropriate facility and appropriate personnel and staff. I'm sure there is a time and place for positivity, but it is not a necessity. However, both dedication and intelligence are.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 9, 2019 14:20:28 GMT
Who said I was looking for a job? They would call me to get a donation of my bone marrow, as I have a very rare, recessive genetic mutation that protects me from a virus. This isn't about optimism or pessimism, it's about REALITY. And the reality is, mankind is always accomplishing things men before said would never be done. The difference is the accomplishers had positivity, vision, excitement and enthusiasm. And the naysayers were pessimistic, cynical and negative. Which one are you? It is not a binary choice.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 9, 2019 18:28:35 GMT
That's great if you can get a job with the CDC. But even they are going to want some positivity. You go in there with the same pessimism, cynicism and negativity you have for the space program, you will never get the job. A scientific research establishment has a list of necessities that include - but may not be limited to - private or public funding, scientific and technological equipment, an appropriate facility and appropriate personnel and staff. I'm sure there is a time and place for positivity, but it is not a necessity. However, both dedication and intelligence are. Whenever you apply for a job, they tell you to show positivity - confidence, optimism, and enthusiasm. If she goes up against a candidate who is equally qualified, but has more positivity, the opponent will get the job. Not her.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 9, 2019 18:29:25 GMT
And the reality is, mankind is always accomplishing things men before said would never be done. The difference is the accomplishers had positivity, vision, excitement and enthusiasm. And the naysayers were pessimistic, cynical and negative. Which one are you? It is not a binary choice. Yes it is.
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 9, 2019 18:35:55 GMT
Yeah....I do believe mankind may have places in the solar system other than earth where they can reside (at least in small numbers) in some distant future. Now when you talk about outside the solar system then it could mean space just outside the solar system...Mankind can reach such places....but to reach other star systems would be very very difficult....the sheer amount of time it might take is enormous even if we were to travel with the speed of light (which won't be possible).
One can always say anything is possible in the future but I personally feel comfortable about making predictions of things that seem reasonably possible. So I do agree that mankind will have places of residents other than earth in the distant future. As for places of residents on another star system or galaxies? I have no comments on that.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 9, 2019 18:38:43 GMT
Yeah....I do believe mankind may have places in the solar system other than earth where they can reside (at least in small numbers) in some distant future. Now when you talk about outside the solar system then it could mean space just outside the solar system...Mankind can reach such places....but to reach other star systems would be very very difficult....the sheer amount of time it might take is enormous even if we were to travel with the speed of light (which won't be possible). One can always say anything is possible in the future but I personally feel comfortable about making predictions of things that seem reasonably possible. So I do agree that mankind will have places of residents other than earth in the distant future. As for places of residents on another star system or galaxies? I have no comments on that. Don't limit yourself to the technology of today. We don't know what technology will be available in the future.
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 9, 2019 18:40:47 GMT
Yeah....I do believe mankind may have places in the solar system other than earth where they can reside (at least in small numbers) in some distant future. Now when you talk about outside the solar system then it could mean space just outside the solar system...Mankind can reach such places....but to reach other star systems would be very very difficult....the sheer amount of time it might take is enormous even if we were to travel with the speed of light (which won't be possible). One can always say anything is possible in the future but I personally feel comfortable about making predictions of things that seem reasonably possible. So I do agree that mankind will have places of residents other than earth in the distant future. As for places of residents on another star system or galaxies? I have no comments on that. Don't limit yourself to the technology of today. We don't know what technology will be available in the future. I didn't limit myself to technology of today. I said we can have colonies in the solar system. For the outside I just said no comment - no positive or negative. That is the approach often taken in maths and science.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 9, 2019 18:52:32 GMT
A scientific research establishment has a list of necessities that include - but may not be limited to - private or public funding, scientific and technological equipment, an appropriate facility and appropriate personnel and staff. I'm sure there is a time and place for positivity, but it is not a necessity. However, both dedication and intelligence are. Whenever you apply for a job, they tell you to show positivity - confidence, optimism, and enthusiasm. If she goes up against a candidate who is equally qualified, but has more positivity, the opponent will get the job. Not her. That's perfectly sound advice... For a high school student going for a summer job at a local fast food restaurant. However, that's not what is being discussed here and "they", whomever "they" might be, were not referring to this particular set of circumstances when they we dishing out their free advice. Under the circumstances we're discussing, education, skill and talent will render personality defects immaterial. I've met more than a few medical professionals who couldn't win a personality contest again a brick, but that didn't matter because that wasn't considered to be relevant to their particular skill set.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 9, 2019 18:56:00 GMT
Don't limit yourself to the technology of today. We don't know what technology will be available in the future. I didn't limit myself to technology of today. I said we can have colonies in the solar system. For the outside I just said no comment - no positive or negative. That is the approach often taken in maths and science. Did you ever read that article on binary stars?
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Post by movieliker on Mar 9, 2019 18:57:50 GMT
Whenever you apply for a job, they tell you to show positivity - confidence, optimism, and enthusiasm. If she goes up against a candidate who is equally qualified, but has more positivity, the opponent will get the job. Not her. That's perfectly sound advice... For a high school student going for a summer job at a local fast food restaurant. However, that's not what is being discussed here and "they", whomever "they" might be, were not referring to this particular set of circumstances when they we dishing out their free advice. Under the circumstances we're discussing, education, skill and talent will render personality defects immaterial. I've met more than a few medical professionals who couldn't win a personality contest again a brick, but that didn't matter because that wasn't considered to be relevant to their particular skill set. That's fine. But Rachel wasn't applying for a job here.
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Post by James on Mar 9, 2019 18:57:54 GMT
I don’t think we can do it with the amount of laziness we’ve gotten.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 9, 2019 18:58:04 GMT
It is not a binary choice. Yes it is. No, it is not. I gave an example of why your reasoning is in error in my previous post. However, in brief, life is not black and white... it comes in shades of grey.
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 9, 2019 18:59:27 GMT
I didn't limit myself to technology of today. I said we can have colonies in the solar system. For the outside I just said no comment - no positive or negative. That is the approach often taken in maths and science. Did you ever read that article on binary stars? It is bookmarked in temp folder. I usually read temp bookmarks on early evenings of days I am free. I was free today but decided to watch a movie instead. So may be tomorrow.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 9, 2019 18:59:46 GMT
That's perfectly sound advice... For a high school student going for a summer job at a local fast food restaurant. However, that's not what is being discussed here and "they", whomever "they" might be, were not referring to this particular set of circumstances when they we dishing out their free advice. Under the circumstances we're discussing, education, skill and talent will render personality defects immaterial. I've met more than a few medical professionals who couldn't win a personality contest again a brick, but that didn't matter because that wasn't considered to be relevant to their particular skill set. That's fine. But Rachel wasn't applying for a job here. Yes, I read that part too.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 9, 2019 19:00:10 GMT
No, it is not. I gave an example of why your reasoning is in error in my previous post. However, in brief, life is not black and white... it comes in shades of grey. And even with shades of grey, a lack of positivity is noted.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 9, 2019 19:20:20 GMT
No, it is not. I gave an example of why your reasoning is in error in my previous post. However, in brief, life is not black and white... it comes in shades of grey. And even with shades of grey, a lack of positivity is noted. Which doesn't necessarily mean a thing.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 9, 2019 19:21:59 GMT
And even with shades of grey, a lack of positivity is noted. Which doesn't necessarily mean a thing. It means everything with a social species like humans.
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Post by ant-mac on Mar 9, 2019 19:47:38 GMT
Which doesn't necessarily mean a thing. It means everything with a social species like humans. Not at all. There are people out there who realize there can be more important aspects of a person that need to be taken into account. I have already given just such an example. It is only one of many.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 9, 2019 19:56:03 GMT
It means everything with a social species like humans. Not at all. There are people out there who realize there can be more important aspects of a person that need to be taken into account. I have already given just such an example. It is only one of many. I never said positivity was the only measure of one's worth. But as long as it is used for moral and ethical purposes, it is only an asset. On the other hand, we are talking about the excitement and promise of future space endeavors. What purpose would being a "Debby Downer" serve? Only to be a buzz kill? Why would anybody want to do that?
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