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Post by PreachCaleb on May 15, 2019 22:34:11 GMT
Nope. Homicide is a crime. Abortion is legal. The exact opposite of a crime. Stop lying. Ha ha ha . . . You are hiding behind semantics. Abortion is wrong. Legality is not semantics. It's the difference between jail time and freedom. Please stop lying.
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Post by movieliker on May 15, 2019 22:48:36 GMT
Ha ha ha . . . You are hiding behind semantics. Abortion is wrong. Legality is not semantics. It's the difference between jail time and freedom. Please stop lying. Only you are aguing about the law. Are you arguing with yourself? I am only talking about right and wrong. Not the law.
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Post by Harmless elf on May 16, 2019 0:24:43 GMT
Legality is not semantics. It's the difference between jail time and freedom. Please stop lying. Only you are aguing about the law. Are you arguing with yourself? I am only talking about right and wrong. Not the law. Lol something I noticed about preach is he loves to use the strawman argument tactic. This is very common with SJW's.
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 0:29:53 GMT
Only you are aguing about the law. Are you arguing with yourself? I am only talking about right and wrong. Not the law. Lol something I noticed about preach is he loves to use the strawman argument tactic. This is very common with SJW's. He's a troll. He argues just to argue.
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Post by Doghouse6 on May 16, 2019 1:07:21 GMT
When anti-choicers start giving a damn about children after they're born, maybe I'll give some credence to their concern and sincerity. Get shot in the street? 2nd amendment freedoms, baby! Kick them off public assistance because their parents can't make a decent living? We can't afford a nanny state.
When the same people for whom they vote stop getting between people and their doctors, trying to curtail access to contraceptives or legislating what others can do with their bodies, maybe I'll be less skeptical of their "smaller, less intrusive government" rhetoric.
Walk the walk, and maybe I'll believe the talk.
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 1:07:44 GMT
You mean like if the mother's life or health is being jeopardized by the pregnancy? Otherwise it is murder? So how many late abortions are performed for the mother's health reason, as opposed to those that are doing it out of callous cold blooded reasons for murder? The overwhelming number of abortions are performed on women who see their pregnancy as an inconvenience. The rape, incest victim and the mother whose life or health is at risk, is a myth used by pro abortion advocates. Yes, it happens. But not as much as pro abortionists pretend.
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 1:12:01 GMT
No. There are many good things in the Bible. But everything in there is not good. One needs to be discriminating. And separate the good from bad. Abortion is murder. Unless the life or health of the mother is at risk. So if it is murder, please prove late term abortions that are legitimate murder cases that is an epidemic that is worth making a shady political issue over, and on what grounds and consequences has it affected you? It doesn't affect me. It is just my human obligation to protect the innocent and vulnerable. It is what separates the humans from the other animals. Animals only think of themselves. Evolved humans take care of others.
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 1:14:36 GMT
Its legal, and it is wrong. It was legal in Nazi Germany to exterminate Jews. Does it being legal make it right? False equivalency. Jews and other human beings persecuted and exterminated by the Nazi's, were already living human beings birthed into this world. They would have also exterminated women that were pregnant. What was the Nazi stance on abortions amongst their superior race?
The extremist right wing dictatorial Nazis made it legal to exterminate those that didn't live up their standards due to evil and corruption within their ideals, they were NOT concerned for anyone's health or well-being but their own. Late term abortions are decided upon due to the health of the mother and\or abnormalities for the yet as unborn child. If the child is going to be born deformed or retarded, we will just send them your way to take care of, since you are one fine upstanding caring and compassionate citizen.... A distinction without a difference. Both the unborn child and post birth people are living human beings. Killing any human being is wrong unless it is an imminent threat to others.
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 1:17:59 GMT
Doctors who perform abortions are not put on trial for murder because abortion is legal. Abortion is legal because the majority wants it to be. Its called democracy. It wasn't legalized because it is right. It was legalized because it is popular.No! Out of common sense rationale, not because what some schmo's, such as yourself, think is right and wrong based on phony and outdated religious doctrine. The Nazi's thought in right and wrong motifs and look at the stigma that now gets placed on them. Wrong. Modern science says the human DNA pattern is decided at conception. The blueprint determining that human being's physical, mental, psychological and emotional structure is set and distinctly individual. If killed, that individual will never get another chance at life, ever again.
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 1:21:28 GMT
The overwhelming number of abortions are performed on women who see their pregnancy as an inconvenience. The rape, incest victim and the mother whose life or health is at risk, is a myth used by pro abortion advocates. Yes, it happens. But not as much as pro abortionists pretend. So if they abort their fetus at any stage of their pregnancy, how is that an "inconvenience" to you? It doesn't inconvenience me. It is just my human obligation to protect the innocent and vulnerable. It is what separates the humans from the other animals. Animals only think of themselves. Evolved humans take care of others.
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 1:24:06 GMT
It doesn't affect me. It is just my human obligation to protect the innocent and vulnerable. It is what separates the humans from the other animals. Animals only think of themselves. Evolved humans take care of others. How is it your obligation to involve yourself in something that is of no relative consequence or detriment to you?
That is my point, pro-lifers whine about unborn children being aborted and then don't give a rats about caring for an already massed amount of birthed human beings. No, you are not evolved, because you black and white way of thinking is very limited and very ignorant.
That is a different issue. 1) abortion (right or wrong) 2) adoption (what to do about all these illegitimate children)
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 1:36:07 GMT
That is a different issue. 1) abortion (right or wrong) 2) adoption (what to do about all these illegitimate children) So you feel an unwanted child should be put up for adoption. The issue is, there are too many 's, such as yourself that might end up adopting a child and corrupting it. How many children have you adopted, since you care so much about this issue? That is wrong. Yes nobody wants a child from an orphanage. But the demand for unborn children exceeds the supply. This is the way to go. But only if the final contract is binding. Otherwise, nobody wants to pay thousands in prenatal care, and risk bonding with the new baby, only to risk having the baby ripped from them by a capricious bio mom.
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 1:48:16 GMT
That is wrong. Yes nobody wants a child from an orphanage. But the demand for unborn children exceeds the supply. This is the way to go. But only if the final contract is binding. Otherwise, nobody wants to pay thousands in prenatal care, and risk bonding with the new baby, only to risk having the baby ripped from them by a capricious bio mom.Facts and stats please. You are even arguing against your own stance here, so really have no idea what you are talking about. So if the child is unwanted to begin with, the mother gets to play God in this respect and it is not the states, or anyone else's business, except her doctor and those that are close to her.
And just as I thought, NONE! Your care and heartfelt compassion just oozes from every pore of your being. I'd get a reality check if I was you.
"Adoption experts estimate that two million American couples want to adopt children, preferably healthy infants or toddlers. But only about 50,000 healthy babies are available for adoption each year."library.cqpress.com/cqresearcher/document.php?id=cqresrre1984111600
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 2:01:33 GMT
A ruse argument for anti-abortionists. Imagine the costs associated with keeping all 'unwanted' babies in orphanage's that were more than likely 'unhealthy' to begin with and the 'reason' why they were aborted in late term, in the first place.
You can take in all the rejects then, since you are so rigid and unflexible on your stance. It will please the good lord to no ends, to see your genuine heartfelt nobility and altruism on display. Don't rely on the right wing government for financial assistance though, they don't care about living human beings, only those that support them and their crazy soulless notions.
Regardless, this has nothing to do with whether or not abortion is wrong. What to do about it is another discussion.
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 3:04:16 GMT
Regardless, this has nothing to do with whether or not abortion is wrong. What to do about it is another discussion. You can't even argue lucidly for your stance and why it is wrong and this is due to your rigidity in thought process. You have a fixed stance and that is always very dangerous, because it only serves the self and what you think is best for others. It is about control and manipulation. Aren't the right always complaining about the left telling others how they should think and feel about something?
Extremist attitudes, ideals and behaviors are always going to be transparent and illogical, regardless of what side of the fence one sits. Thinking in terms of right and wrong notions regarding abortion is not a resolution and discussions prove as such, especially when pro-lifers get easily broken down.
No. The right is most often guilty of trying to tell everybody what they should do. And what they shouldn't. The left is most often guilty of letting anybody do whatever they want. But making everybody else pay for it. I belong to neither. I am a moderate.
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 3:10:40 GMT
No. The right is most often guilty of trying to tell everybody what they should do. And what they shouldn't. The left is most often guilty of letting anybody do whatever they want. But making everybody else pay for it. I belong to neither. I am a moderate. Thinking in terms of abortion being wrong, does not mean you are moderate. Right and Wrong are polar opposites. If you sat in the middle, you would be less opinionated about your stance, rather wanting to condemn it and judge women. Wrong again. Moderates have decisive positions on many issues. Their only defining characteristic is having some right wing positions and left wing positions. Lefties have mostly left wing positions. Righties have mostly right wing positions. It is a myth perpetrated by the right wing loons and left wing loons that moderates are indecisive.
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Post by mstreepsucks on May 16, 2019 5:28:34 GMT
How can we as humans beings actually manipulate this into a "Woman's Rights" issue? With birth control readily available to the public, morning after pills, etc. Late term Abortion is just murder. There is no way to make this okay. You are killing a baby. What is the difference between me walking into a hospital, a woman saying "I made a mistake, I don't know what I was thinking. I can't be a mother." So I stab a baby in the neck and throw him/her into a trash can... Or two hours earlier while he/she is still in the womb stabbing the baby before it comes out? I agree, but one question. Just one thing, one big thing: Wouldn't you say, that even an early term abortion is just as much of a 'murder'?
Why would it being a late term abortion make it anymore wrong? Than an early term abortion, since it's still the exact same principle? I assume we would pretty much agree.
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Post by movieliker on May 16, 2019 6:15:18 GMT
Wrong again. Moderates have decisive positions on many issues. Their only defining characteristic is having some right wing positions and left wing positions. Lefties have mostly left wing positions. Righties have mostly right wing positions. It is a myth perpetrated by the right wing loons and left wing loons that moderates are indecisive. The point is, that your decisive stance is misguided and distorted and doesn't make it right by any means. It is based on your own moral judgements that are not coming from the most rationale and empathic place. You would rather concern yourself with something unborn, rather than the mother that is already born. That is the generic hypocrisy and contradictions in your pov. No, it's based on science. The study of genetics has proven that once the human sperm penetrates the human egg, a human zygote is produced with the DNA structure that will determine the physical, mental and psychological characteristics of that unique individual. That particular human being only has one chance at life. And if killed, that distinct individual will never have another chance at life. That human zygote is a human being. An innocent, vulnerable and dependent human being. I am not putting the rights of the unborn over the rights of the mother. I am putting the life of the unborn over the convenience of the mother. A mother who in most cases made a decision to have sex. Usually without protection (birth control). If she didn't want to get pregnant, she shouldn't have had sex. Certainly without protection. Most abortions are performed on women who didn't practice birth control. And who find a pregnancy to be inconvenient. Not life threatening. And not a result of rape or incest. I know libs love to throw out "What about rape? What about incest? What if the birth control failed?" But those are just smoke screens. Most women seeking abortions don't fall into those categories. "WHY DO WOMEN WOMEN HAVE ABORTIONS
12% say possible problems with their health
1% of women said they were aborting because they were raped
Less than .05% of women gave the reason because of incest"illinoisrighttolife.org/why-do-women-have-abortions/I have been having sex for 45 years. I have never gotten a female pregnant. And I know lots of people --- male and female --- who say the same thing. You don't reward irresponsibility with the right to kill an innocent baby. Sorry, abortion is wrong.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 16, 2019 13:10:06 GMT
Legality is not semantics. It's the difference between jail time and freedom. Please stop lying. Only you are aguing about the law. Are you arguing with yourself? I am only talking about right and wrong. Not the law. Liar. You brought up the law when you said it was murder/homicide. It's not. Those are legal definitions.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 16, 2019 13:12:40 GMT
Only you are aguing about the law. Are you arguing with yourself? I am only talking about right and wrong. Not the law. Lol something I noticed about preach is he loves to use the strawman argument tactic. This is very common with SJW's. Now that's just bitterness because you didn't know your wrestling history.
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