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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 4:48:07 GMT
Sorry Cap I didn't hang out on the Star Wars boards so I missed all the original trilogy bashing. I only know of a handful of prequel fans and they are all RABID everything Star Wars fans. Most would rather be punched in the face repeatedly or do some physical labor before they would insult anything Star Wars related. Well, I can tell you, I saw far, far, FAR more prequel fans who hate on the original trilogy than I ever saw anyone from the TFA side do it. I'd know. I was in a million and one arguments with idiot prequel fans claiming that the OT committed all the same ins the PT did. They claimed our nostalgia is the only reason we don't like the Prequel Trilogy. They even had the nerve to say Mark Hamill was just as annoying as Hayden Christiansen and that Carrie Fisher was just a vapid and fake as Natalie Portman. I guarantee very few will mourn the loss of Portman when she goes, let alone mourn her the way Fisher's being mourned right now.
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Feb 26, 2017 5:01:32 GMT
To bb15 and weirdraptor: I'm not lying about what I said. I've been on IMDb boards and my personal experience was that it was ALWAYS TFA fans who were trashing ANH. There was no mistaking it because they clearly declared that they were TFA fans. I can even name names if necessary. Now that may not be what you want to believe, but it's the truth! Call it a lie and live in denial all you want. According to your theory before TFA came out, there were no negative comments about ANH on its IMDb board and there were no low IMDb ratings for ANH at that time. Your theory is wrong. - I was also on the IMDb ANH board for many years before TFA came out and several times there were posts which trashed ANH (but often the person praised the PT). - Before TFA, ANH had thousands of 1/10 votes on IMDb (all major films on IMDb have 1/10 votes). Your idea that before TFA was released that ANH had 100% positive comments and 100% positive ratings is a fantasy. Imo at least, BB ;-) [blue] to bb15: I never said a prequel fan never made negative comments about ANH. I said I never came across it. There's 2 other people on this thread that have had the same experience that I have. But it's obvious that this thread isn't about people relating their experience of what has surrounded bashing ANH. It's about prequel haters patting each other on the back while they contribute to a thread designed to sling mud at prequel fans. The thread starts out implicating prequel fans and everyone who supported and contributed to that implication was patted on the back and labeled objective. As soon as the someone related a different experience from a different source, they were labeled as a liar engaging in fantasy. Why is your personal experience any more credible than mine just because it contrasts yours?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 5:13:03 GMT
Because you are lying to make yourself and other prequels fans look good. Look, you can't fool us. We were there, too, on the original IMDb boards. We saw what went on there, and I never saw any TFA fans bash ANH. You are making crap up. End of discussion.
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Feb 26, 2017 5:21:01 GMT
Sorry Cap I didn't hang out on the Star Wars boards so I missed all the original trilogy bashing. I only know of a handful of prequel fans and they are all RABID everything Star Wars fans. Most would rather be punched in the face repeatedly or do some physical labor before they would insult anything Star Wars related. Well, I can tell you, I saw far, far, FAR more prequel fans who hate on the original trilogy than I ever saw anyone from the TFA side do it. I'd know. I was in a million and one arguments with idiot prequel fans claiming that the OT committed all the same ins the PT did. They claimed our nostalgia is the only reason we don't like the Prequel Trilogy. They even had the nerve to say Mark Hamill was just as annoying as Hayden Christiansen and that Carrie Fisher was just a vapid and fake as Natalie Portman. I guarantee very few will mourn the loss of Portman when she goes, let alone mourn her the way Fisher's being mourned right now. Frankly I don't care how many people mourn Fisher vs Portman. It's not relevant. I was just answering the question of the OP. There's at least 2 other people on this thread that have had similar or identical experiences to me on this subject. I guess they're liars also. This is why these message boards devolve into flame wars and troll nests. People get on here with far less motive to have discussions or a debate of contrasting opinions, and far more to vent their bias and instantly defame anyone who differs with them on any level or who doesn't jump on their bandwagon.... Also, funny how you said not to turn this into a trilogy war/trilogy issue when that's exactly how the thread started.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 5:27:26 GMT
It's not about shutting down your opinion, it's about calling you out on your crap. I repeat, I was there, too, and I never saw any of this. Ever. And as a matter of fact, yes, you can all be lying. I've seen countless Prequel fans grasp at whatever straws they can to "prove" their preferred trilogy is better. Example: The Ring Theory. Dear God on a gram cracker, that moronic, phony Ring Theory... Also, I never said anything about not turning this into a flame war. You're getting your opponent mixed up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 5:33:58 GMT
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Feb 26, 2017 5:55:51 GMT
It's not about shutting down your opinion, it's about calling you out on your crap. I repeat, I was there, too, and I never saw any of this. Ever. And as a matter of fact, yes, you can all be lying. I've seen countless Prequel fans grasp at whatever straws they can to "prove" their preferred trilogy is better. Example: The Ring Theory. Dear God on a gram cracker, that moronic, phony Ring Theory... Also, I never said anything about not turning this into a flame war. You're getting your opponent mixed up. Believe what you want but you should be thankful IMDb message boards are shut down. Otherwise I'd copy and paste proof of my claims right here and now. So I'm calling you out that you can't prove I'm lying. And you wouldn't even make that claim if IMDb was still doing message boards because you'd leave yourself open to being exposed as a liar.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 6:09:26 GMT
Actually, I would, because I know you're the liar.
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Feb 26, 2017 6:14:40 GMT
Actually, I would, because I know you're the liar. I see you specialize in alternative facts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 6:20:21 GMT
No, that would be you. If there was any bashing of ANH done by fans of the new films, I'd have seen it. I was present on all the Star Wars boards and the only bashing I ever saw was either fans of the Old Trilogy bashing TFA for being "too similar" or Prequel Fans bashing the Original Trilogy for "only being beloved because of nostalgia." I can't buy your narrative because I know it's a complete work of fiction. Just admit you're a fan of the Prequels and be done with it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 6:24:53 GMT
it was pointed out that ANH rehashed The Hidden Fortress etc (which is blatantly absurd) i always wondered where the hell that theory came from, but was reluctant to ask on the old boards because of the backlash i would likely get for asking.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 6:45:33 GMT
It is common knowledge that The Hidden Fortress is one of the inspirations for ANH, among many other things. That's not the same as rehashing it, though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 6:47:08 GMT
got it.
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Post by bb15 on Feb 26, 2017 6:50:01 GMT
it was pointed out that ANH rehashed The Hidden Fortress etc (which is blatantly absurd) i always wondered where the hell that theory came from, but was reluctant to ask on the old boards because of the backlash i would likely get for asking. Off topic but the theory that ANH was partly based on The Hidden Fortress came from George Lucas. www.bbc.com/culture/story/20160104-the-film-star-wars-stole-fromThat's not a criticism. A great film can be partly based on other classic movies. Lucas has been open about this. - What is relevant is how some people in this thread don't know what a fact is and base their arguments on fantasy. Instead I base my statements on facts and Lucas' comment is an example of that. ANH also has other influences which I could get into if anyone here actually wants to discuss facts about Star Wars. Imo at least, BB ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 6:56:04 GMT
i see nothing wrong with getting inspiration from other works as long as credit is given where its due, if Lucas was open about it, then thats ok by me.
i think a lot of problems with people who claim "originality" are trying to think in a state of mind where everything must have exclusivity.
back in the day, bands used to influence each other & be open about it, just like other directors were inspired by the Kurosawa films (the spaghetti westerns for example).
these days, everything "has" to be considered exclusive from every other project out there, when looking at things from a limited perspective. that's just not how life works.
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Feb 26, 2017 6:58:33 GMT
No, that would be you. If there was any bashing of ANH done by fans of the new films, I'd have seen it. I was present on all the Star Wars boards and the only bashing I ever saw was either fans of the Old Trilogy bashing TFA for being "too similar" or Prequel Fans bashing the Original Trilogy for "only being beloved because of nostalgia." I can't buy your narrative because I know it's a complete work of fiction. Just admit you're a fan of the Prequels and be done with it. You're a liar because I looked over plenty of threads on the IMDb SW boards, especially in more recent years. And I barely saw your profile. So if you weren't prominently there you can't claim that you knew what was going on!... Oops!
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Post by Jedan Archer on Feb 26, 2017 10:34:05 GMT
Has anyone ever noticed that when defending the prequels a common tactic is to go after this movie? They say that it is boring and mock the light saber fight. I think that this is a byproduct of that era that they grew up in. I think that they think all the flipping, twisting, and twirling in the prequels makes the duels better. They are Transformers fans (Bay movies). They are the reason there are what eight or nine Fast and Furious movies now? I started to notice this trend after the release of the final movie. Have you ever noticed that your OPs tend to be aggressively naive and willfully negligent, to put it mildly? When did it become fashionable...? Star Wars is the movie that - from the beginning and to this very day - is accused of having singlehandedly destroyed American cinema and auteur film, by pushing narratives back into dumbed down, simplistic black and white fairy-tale-territory, and by focusing on merchandizing and form over substance. Personally I never gave much credence to that simplification, but looking at your history of simplistic, black and white finger pointing, we may consider you a genuine byproduct of this criticism and franchise.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 17:00:25 GMT
Some people tend to confuse pointing out similar flaws in the original films that exist in the prequels with "trashing" the originals.
It's not the same thing....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 17:57:43 GMT
Some people tend to confuse pointing out similar flaws in the original films that exist in the prequels with "trashing" the originals. It's not the same thing.... George Lucas made a big deal out of "Point of View". He was so right. One makes a point about a similarity between two films they like, and someone who dislikes one of the films perceives you to be "trashing" the other. Then you see this happening over and over, between this perspective and that one, and sooner or later you are ready to do this:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 19:26:11 GMT
No, that would be you. If there was any bashing of ANH done by fans of the new films, I'd have seen it. I was present on all the Star Wars boards and the only bashing I ever saw was either fans of the Old Trilogy bashing TFA for being "too similar" or Prequel Fans bashing the Original Trilogy for "only being beloved because of nostalgia." I can't buy your narrative because I know it's a complete work of fiction. Just admit you're a fan of the Prequels and be done with it. You're a liar because I looked over plenty of threads on the IMDb SW boards, especially in more recent years. And I barely saw your profile. So if you weren't prominently there you can't claim that you knew what was going on!... Oops! Good to know you're terrible at paying attention to your surroundings.
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