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Post by Carl LaFong on Sept 14, 2019 11:08:30 GMT
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Post by Carl LaFong on Sept 14, 2019 11:09:40 GMT
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Sept 14, 2019 11:56:20 GMT
5 minutes before lunch and the England captain does a smeghead shot, his underwhelming batting series over. 87 for 2.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Sept 14, 2019 12:26:16 GMT
While certain other players on show the past 6 weeks add some context to the term "wretched series," it's still fair to say Root's had a poor one both with the bat and tactically.
Don't know what a good total is here, but setting less than 325 is certainly tempting fate. Glenn McGrath's hoping Australia are set 420, with Smith making 224 no to catch Bradman. Phil Tufnell added "and you get bowled out for 417 and lose by 2 runs." If anything like that happens we will have seen some type of match!
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Sept 14, 2019 12:37:38 GMT
While certain other players on show the past 6 weeks add some context to the term "wretched series," it's still fair to say Root's had a poor one both with the bat and tactically. Don't know what a good total is here, but setting less than 325 is certainly tempting fate. Glenn McGrath's hoping Australia are set 420, with Smith making 224 no to catch Bradman. Phil Tufnell added "and you get bowled out for 417 and lose by 2 runs." If anything like that happens we will have seen some type of match! Vaughan thinks anything over 250 will pose a problem - but he did say that before play began this morning. Oz will surely bowl England out before any declaration talk tomorrow afternoon, I'll settle for England to still batting tomorrow at lunch though. The record this series suggests otherwise mind...
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Sept 14, 2019 12:42:49 GMT
I think 250 is very doable with Smith there. You'd want at least 100 more to feel safe.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Sept 14, 2019 13:16:42 GMT
While he's hardly a star player you've got to give Denly some credit. 50s in three successive tests. He's not there to average 50. Has done his job and will probably stay in the team.
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Sept 14, 2019 13:36:35 GMT
While he's hardly a star player you've got to give Denly some credit. 50s in three successive tests. He's not there to average 50. Has done his job and will probably stay in the team. Thing is, he will be stopping the potential blooding of the younger players in the selector's minds - Sibley and Crawley - while there's Pope of course.
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Sept 14, 2019 14:18:03 GMT
LANGER must be ashamed to be in the same room as this lot. he hung out with the greats.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 14, 2019 15:09:54 GMT
LANGER must be ashamed to be in the same room as this lot. he hung out with the greats. Have the people of new generation no patience, man? Australia just made sure they won't lose this series in the last match. They have been better team than England and would remain better even if the series finishes 2-2. Langer has got reasons to be proud of the Aussies than to be ashamed of them. Of course, if this is how England plays in Australia then England will probably struggle to win a single Test.
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Sept 14, 2019 15:12:12 GMT
LANGER must be ashamed to be in the same room as this lot. he hung out with the greats. Have the people of new generation no patience, man? Australia just made sure they won't lose this series in the last match. They have been better team than England and would remain better even if the series finishes 2-2. Langer has got reasons to be proud of the Aussies than to be ashamed of them. Of course, if this is how England plays in Australia then England will probably struggle to win a single Test. true. except for one series in my living memeory, england have always been shit in australia. but the aussies really dominated most of this series and should have won it 3-1 or 4-1. now it looks like they will have to settle for a 2-2 draw.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 14, 2019 15:19:03 GMT
Here are my thoughts on this Ashes:
It has not delivered in terms of quality in spite of that once in a blue moon innings by Stokes. We have seen some real greatness in Smith and some good stuff by Cummins & Archer but overall, the players involved in this series have played some truly appalling and sub-par cricket. England needs to get rid of non-test players from their test side. Australia has the best batsman in the world but need more from their remaining batsmen.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Sept 14, 2019 21:24:49 GMT
I think you're over egging it. Before we go into "Australia's dominant. They should have won 4-1. If there were to ay 20 games, Australia would win 18-2. That's how fucking dominant they are," arguments, we need to point out just how bad Australia's batting has been minus Smith. You can make a very goid argument that, if you take out Smith, it's 4-1 England if not 5-nil. I think Australia have got plenty wrong in this series with bat and ball. Lyon has been poor apart from Edgbaston. Some of the selections have been weird, with Starc not playing until the 4th test, Hazelwood not playing every game, Siddle playing 3 tests while Pattinson only played 2. The openers FFS. So can a team who's got so many holes really claim to be hard done by to get a 2-2 result rather than a 3-1?
Now England haven't got a lot right either. Denly not opening until the 4th test. Buttler picked as a specialist bat and playing 7. Not picking Curran earlier (as an 8) when it was obvious that an around the wicket bowler was worth a try against Smith. Taking an unfit Anderson into Edgbaston. Over bowling Stokes and Archer while barely using Woakes. The list goes on.
2-2 is a pretty fair result. England didn't deserve to win the Ashes and Australia don't deserve to win the series.
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Post by weststigersbob on Sept 15, 2019 3:42:18 GMT
England’s selectors have made far too many mistakes - and obvious ones too. But overall Australia’s batting minus Smith and Labuschagne has been horrendous. 2-2 will be a fair result for the series.
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Sept 15, 2019 8:11:28 GMT
Our friends from Oz on here are absolutely spot on.
It has been a bonkers series dodged by dreadful batting, piss poor captaincy - some of the use of DRS has been atrocious - awful selection issues across the board, while the standard of umpiring needs looking at by the almighty powers that be.
Exciting for sure, but quality Test Match Cricket away from a small handful of performers? Absolutely not! 2-2 to me seems absolutely fair when all things are considered - England haven't won yet though...
Oz have found one in Labuschagne, he looks the real deal, and the bowling armoury is well stocked with quality, but there's still a rebuild job on there. Paine I expect will keep the captaincy because he's retained The Urn in a series dodged by mediocrity, but really he isn't good enough.
England have "major" rebuilding work though and they need to make some tough decisions, starting with finding a captain who knows what he is doing, thus freeing Root up to being the quality player we all know he is. Bairstow, tarrah from the test team for now surely? Denly has probably made the winter tours now, but his innings was packed with luck and he's only an intermediate answer anyway. Lets try one of the Lions openers in Zealand, otherwise what's the point in having a Lions set up? Pope at 3, Root at 4, Stokes at 5, Buttler probably done enough to stay with Foakes breathing down his neck.
The bowling apart from a quality spinner is actually ok if everybody is fit, you add Wood to Archer, Broad and Anderson and that's quality, with Stokes, Curran and Woakes all more than capable.
Big tour the New Zealand one, because no doubt they are thinking about "resting" players, but that sucks. You go there to take on Williamson's bat and a bowling armoury of Boult, Southee, Ferguson etc and England could be heading to Saffers with a 2-0 defeat behind them - but it's ok because it's not part of the Test Championship... Do me a favour!
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Sept 15, 2019 9:53:03 GMT
another boring days cricket where australia will be mowed down, ahead of us.
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Sept 15, 2019 10:26:34 GMT
Oz require 399 to win, which will be the biggest score of the match even before we talk about history...
Lyon turned a few sharply, time for Leach to come to the party!
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Post by Carl LaFong on Sept 15, 2019 10:51:03 GMT
New highest opening partnership of the series for Australia, 14.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Sept 15, 2019 10:52:16 GMT
They made it all the way to 18 and now Harris goes. Can Warner get to double figures?
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Sept 15, 2019 10:54:52 GMT
He made it. 12 no.
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