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Post by dazz on Sept 10, 2019 23:26:32 GMT
Welcome back, weirdraptor. Box office performance is irrelevant when it comes to a film's entertainment quality. So many of today's masterpieces either flopped or didn't make as much money at the box office. I think Shazam didn't do well as say Aquaman because his character isn't that largely known to most of the general public and its release was sandwiched between Captain Marvel and Avengers: Endgame. Whereas, Captain Marvel is not a household name either, but audiences trust the MCU brand so they showed up to see it. No, it isn't irrelevant. You just want it to be irrelevant because you're butthurt over something Brie Larson said in an interview. No but the way you use the box office numbers is irrelevant and even ignorant, because you take nothing but the BO into consideration, but box office doesn't signify quality, if it did Michael Bay wouldn't have like $6 billion in revenue for his films, and three of the 4 lowest grossing Transformer films happen to the 3 best by the majority of peoples standards.
Which is better Batman Begins or TDKR? You ask most people they will say Begins I imagine, but Rises made like 3 times as much money, was Ultron really just a little bit worse than The Avengers and so much better than every other MCU film except the other Avenger films? I don't think it was do you?
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Post by scabab on Sept 10, 2019 23:29:41 GMT
Uhh, what happened to @weirdraptor now? The same thing as last time. He showed up, people welcomed him back, he huffed and puffed because he was paranoid everyone was against him and then self deleted after making an angry thread which I deleted without reading. Just look above, Archelaus nicely welcomed him back and then in the very next post Raptor called him butthurt for his opinion. I don't know why people bother. Just leave him over there.
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Post by dazz on Sept 10, 2019 23:30:03 GMT
I didn't give a rat's behind what Brie Larson said over a year ago. The manufactured "controversy" created by sexist trolls was stupid the day it stated. I liked Captain Marvel, and while Larson was good in the role, I didn't feel too drawn to her character as I did with Iron Man or Captain America. Everything else was decent especially Goose the "flerken" who stole the show. Then I stand corrected. But I will not be convinced that the box office is irrelevant. Especially not in Captain Marvel's case where she smashed past every ceiling and blockade the world predicted, week after week. She was supposed to tap out well under a billion, and then didn't. She was supposed to be gone from theaters by "Endgame." She wasn't. That's not irrelevant. That's definitive proof she had a steady viewership that liked her. Period. What morons said that, who in the fuck thought a movie that big was going to be out of theatre's in under 2 months, I think every MCU film make it 3+ months atleast, this sounds like bull, that or you are citing a dingleberry brained idiot...speaking of which where is DC-Fan anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 23:35:26 GMT
Uhh, what happened to @weirdraptor now? 
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 10, 2019 23:51:30 GMT
Uhh, what happened to @weirdraptor now? He gone.
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Post by James on Sept 10, 2019 23:58:25 GMT
Uhh, what happened to @weirdraptor now? The same thing as last time. He showed up, people welcomed him back, he huffed and puffed because he was paranoid everyone was against him and then self deleted after making an angry thread which I deleted without reading. Just look above, Archelaus nicely welcomed him back and then in the very next post Raptor called him butthurt for his opinion. I don't know why people bother. Just leave him over there. I was able to get a PM from him over on his forum about why. He can be pretty sensitive not gonna lie, but he seemed cool with me there. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 0:13:59 GMT
Wow, the "box office determines quality" argument again. Reeeee. It doesn't, it speaks to the popularity and we all know popularity doesn't equal quality, especially with the world so full of idiots and mainstream entertainment so painfully mediocre.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 11, 2019 0:22:56 GMT
He deleted already?
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Post by scabab on Sept 11, 2019 0:23:42 GMT
He can be pretty sensitive not gonna lie, but he seemed cool with me there. Pretty sensitive is an understatement. There was probably like 5 Batman fans who trolled the Iron Man IMDb board back in 2007 so he still goes on today about how he and his Marvel people were oppressed by the evil DC people as if it were like black people with slavery. Came rushing to me with his condensing "You think Shazam is better than Captain Marvel? Omg you were serious? Lolz" And then like two other people chime in and say they thought Shazam was better too and then all of sudden "Omg I'm being ganged upon, I'm being bullied and persecuted! Don't you know how my people suffered on IMDb! I'm the victim! Help me I'm being suffocated!"
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Post by politicidal on Sept 11, 2019 0:26:14 GMT
A few users on V2 don't make up "most of us". The box office different speaks volumes about what a silent majority thinks. Welcome back, weirdraptor. Box office performance is irrelevant when it comes to a film's entertainment quality. So many of today's masterpieces either flopped or didn't make as much money at the box office. I think Shazam didn't do well as say Aquaman because his character isn't that largely known to most of the general public and its release was sandwiched between Captain Marvel and Avengers: Endgame. Whereas, Captain Marvel is not a household name either, but audiences trust the MCU brand so they showed up to see it. I agree wholeheartedly. Shawshank Redemption is probably the best example of this. Meanwhile, look at Avatar. Yeah it made a trillion bucks but no one seems really all that excited about a sequel now.
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Post by James on Sept 11, 2019 1:26:36 GMT
He can be pretty sensitive not gonna lie, but he seemed cool with me there. Pretty sensitive is an understatement. There was probably like 5 Batman fans who trolled the Iron Man IMDb board back in 2007 so he still goes on today about how he and his Marvel people were oppressed by the evil DC people as if it were like black people with slavery. Came rushing to me with his condensing "You think Shazam is better than Captain Marvel? Omg you were serious? Lolz" And then like two other people chime in and say they thought Shazam was better too and then all of sudden "Omg I'm being ganged upon, I'm being bullied and persecuted! Don't you know how my people suffered on IMDb! I'm the victim! Help me I'm being suffocated!" Yeah, that’s stupid. I don’t have much experience with this guy so I’ll see how it goes for myself. I disagree with him about Shazam being significantly worse than CM, where I find both to be in the same ballpark, but Shazam is better. I wasn’t around the boards in 07, so I can’t speak for that. A good buddy of mine once said that he doesn’t want either studio to fail but rather wants them to both win. I couldn’t agree more with that sentiment. Which is why it baffles me why any hardcore fan of comics would love to hate one company and see them fail. |
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Post by hobowar on Sept 11, 2019 1:29:18 GMT
Wow, the "box office determines quality" argument again. Reeeee. It doesn't, it speaks to the popularity and we all know popularity doesn't equal quality, especially with the world so full of idiots and mainstream entertainment so painfully mediocre. Nobody said the box office determines quality. The box office is an indicator of how well received a movie is, just like critical and audience scores, which mcu movies seem to excell with.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 7:00:34 GMT
Wow, the "box office determines quality" argument again. Reeeee. It doesn't, it speaks to the popularity and we all know popularity doesn't equal quality, especially with the world so full of idiots and mainstream entertainment so painfully mediocre. Nobody said the box office determines quality. The box office is an indicator of how well received a movie is, just like critical and audience scores, which mcu movies seem to excell with. No need to viciously lash out with no cause. Skimming through this thread earlier, I thought I saw a lot of back and forth ramblings regarding so. Now actually reading it, I see Scabab only mentioned “quality” in relation to box office once to which Weirdraptor replied to it determining how much people “liked” something. Honest mistake, especially when people have said things similarly before. So mea culpa, forget about it, go play with your blocks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 7:37:08 GMT
Friends, People, Guys... Please, let's behave here. The thread is interesting and I want to keep contributing to it. However, if it get deleted of locked everything good in it will be lost. Don't let the butthurt of some people make you lose your temper. The war is over as weirdraptor said before, and we cannot rub anything or discuss anything if we are not here, if the thread is not here. Don't let them provoke you, that's what they want. We can discuss and argue with class as demonstrated thousands of times in knowhere. Agreed, I think we all need to let go of our pride and not be so spiteful. We're all innocent and guilty in one way or another in this vortex of fandom war with various situations. Let bygones be bygones. Theres a reason sometimes threads get deleted and also why Weirdraptor and others left to create another forum. Ive done my own share of shit-stirring too. Could I make a suggestion to those who seem to always get on each others' bad side? Before it gets to that point, everyone knows that point unless youre completely clueless, where a missile is launched or is about to blow up, be the bigger person and just say let's agree to disagree.
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Post by dazz on Sept 11, 2019 12:36:57 GMT
Friends, People, Guys... Please, let's behave here. The thread is interesting and I want to keep contributing to it. However, if it get deleted of locked everything good in it will be lost. Don't let the butthurt of some people make you lose your temper. The war is over as weirdraptor said before, and we cannot rub anything or discuss anything if we are not here, if the thread is not here. Don't let them provoke you, that's what they want. We can discuss and argue with class as demonstrated thousands of times in knowhere. Agreed, I think we all need to let go of our pride and not be so spiteful. We're all innocent and guilty in one way or another in this vortex of fandom war with various situations. Let bygones be bygones. Theres a reason sometimes threads get deleted and also why Weirdraptor and others left to create another forum. Ive done my own share of shit-stirring too. Could I make a suggestion to those who seem to always get on each others' bad side? Before it gets to that point, everyone knows that point unless youre completely clueless, where a missile is launched or is about to blow up, be the bigger person and just say let's agree to disagree. But Scabab's avatar is Vegeta, Prince of all Saiyans and we all know there is one thing a Saiyan always keeps don't we?
Calm down Scab's calm the fuck down, yeesh, as for the agree to disagree thing how bout we don't and just say we did? M'Kay?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 15:56:16 GMT
Pretty sensitive is an understatement. There was probably like 5 Batman fans who trolled the Iron Man IMDb board back in 2007 so he still goes on today about how he and his Marvel people were oppressed by the evil DC people as if it were like black people with slavery. Came rushing to me with his condensing "You think Shazam is better than Captain Marvel? Omg you were serious? Lolz" And then like two other people chime in and say they thought Shazam was better too and then all of sudden "Omg I'm being ganged upon, I'm being bullied and persecuted! Don't you know how my people suffered on IMDb! I'm the victim! Help me I'm being suffocated!" Yeah, that’s stupid. I don’t have much experience with this guy so I’ll see how it goes for myself. I disagree with him about Shazam being significantly worse than CM, where I find both to be in the same ballpark, but Shazam is better. I wasn’t around the boards in 07, so I can’t speak for that. A good buddy of mine once said that he doesn’t want either studio to fail but rather wants them to both win. I couldn’t agree more with that sentiment. Which is why it baffles me why any hardcore fan of comics would love to hate one company and see them fail. A lot of fans take this stuff as if it were two countries going to war. As I discussed above with my pal, Archie, I just don't understand this way of thinking. I guess some Marvel fans just hate the DC brand, movies and comics, and vice versa. That's fine, I guess. But I can't get on board with it. I love the MCU, but I sure as hell ain't saying no to a Joker movie that's getting 10/10 reviews! Diversity is the spice, and all that. If both DC and Marvel succeed we win!
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Post by dazz on Sept 11, 2019 18:30:28 GMT
Yeah, that’s stupid. I don’t have much experience with this guy so I’ll see how it goes for myself. I disagree with him about Shazam being significantly worse than CM, where I find both to be in the same ballpark, but Shazam is better. I wasn’t around the boards in 07, so I can’t speak for that. A good buddy of mine once said that he doesn’t want either studio to fail but rather wants them to both win. I couldn’t agree more with that sentiment. Which is why it baffles me why any hardcore fan of comics would love to hate one company and see them fail. A lot of fans take this stuff as if it were two countries going to war. As I discussed above with my pal, Archie, I just don't understand this way of thinking. I guess some Marvel fans just hate the DC brand, movies and comics, and vice versa. That's fine, I guess. But I can't get on board with it. I love the MCU, but I sure as hell ain't saying no to a Joker movie that's getting 10/10 reviews! Diversity is the spice, and all that. If both DC and Marvel succeed we win! Exactly, what also gets me is how they don't see how failures or the other companies is a bad thing for the genre in general, fuck ups like the TASM movies is one thing, they were failures due to idiotic Sony moves, they sold their merch rights and spent so much on the movies that even at $700m+ in box office that the instalments were not profitable, but when you get a JL movie or a Superman/Batman team up that cannot crack $1b or a X-Men movie that doesn't crack $300m that worries the studios, and not just the ones who made those films but ALL the studios.
We saw this in the 80's & 90s when nothing but Batman was profitable at the theatres, and then when Batman lost money all the studios started packing away their cbm ideas, if it wasn't for the 1 2 combo of Blade & X-Men which were made relatively cheaply and simply had too much invested to just pull the plug on maybe, without them we wouldn't have gotten Raimi's Spidey which became the new benchmark, $400m? Pfft CBM's can make close to $800m if done right, and that infused the genre with new life, sure nothing but Spidey or the X-Men's end of their "trilogy" broke $500m but we got hits along the way, then TDK set an even higher ceiling which fuelled things a bit more, then Avenger's broke $1.5B and here we are now in a golden age of comic book properties.
I am not the biggest fan of a number of recent cbm's over the last 2-4 years but I love that they are successful because for one it isn't about me, I have spoke with people on here before about properties they LOVE and want to see adapted, I have no interest in some of them but I want them to be made because for one there isn't enough time in the day for me to watch everything, second I want others to get what they love, and I want them to thrive because the more niche products that thrive the more variations of the genre we can get, you know? I mean Deadpool made Logan possible, hey are in no way similar in tone other than they are more bloody than the usual cbm, but Deadpool is kind of slapstick foul humour whilst Logan is a more grim and depressing western type movie, but Deadpool proved R rated could still make Spidey levels of cash ad so Logan got the green light.
I mean I enjoy bickering with people and all over differing opinions but I just don't get this I want X to fail mentality, if you don't like it just don't fucking watch it, how is it's existence hurting you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 19:22:56 GMT
A lot of fans take this stuff as if it were two countries going to war. As I discussed above with my pal, Archie, I just don't understand this way of thinking. I guess some Marvel fans just hate the DC brand, movies and comics, and vice versa. That's fine, I guess. But I can't get on board with it. I love the MCU, but I sure as hell ain't saying no to a Joker movie that's getting 10/10 reviews! Diversity is the spice, and all that. If both DC and Marvel succeed we win!Exactly, what also gets me is how they don't see how failures or the other companies is a bad thing for the genre in general, fuck ups like the TASM movies is one thing, they were failures due to idiotic Sony moves, they sold their merch rights and spent so much on the movies that even at $700m+ in box office that the instalments were not profitable, but when you get a JL movie or a Superman/Batman team up that cannot crack $1b or a X-Men movie that doesn't crack $300m that worries the studios, and not just the ones who made those films but ALL the studios.
We saw this in the 80's & 90s when nothing but Batman was profitable at the theatres, and then when Batman lost money all the studios started packing away their cbm ideas, if it wasn't for the 1 2 combo of Blade & X-Men which were made relatively cheaply and simply had too much invested to just pull the plug on maybe, without them we wouldn't have gotten Raimi's Spidey which became the new benchmark, $400m? Pfft CBM's can make close to $800m if done right, and that infused the genre with new life, sure nothing but Spidey or the X-Men's end of their "trilogy" broke $500m but we got hits along the way, then TDK set an even higher ceiling which fuelled things a bit more, then Avenger's broke $1.5B and here we are now in a golden age of comic book properties.
I am not the biggest fan of a number of recent cbm's over the last 2-4 years but I love that they are successful because for one it isn't about me, I have spoke with people on here before about properties they LOVE and want to see adapted, I have no interest in some of them but I want them to be made because for one there isn't enough time in the day for me to watch everything, second I want others to get what they love, and I want them to thrive because the more niche products that thrive the more variations of the genre we can get, you know? I mean Deadpool made Logan possible, hey are in no way similar in tone other than they are more bloody than the usual cbm, but Deadpool is kind of slapstick foul humour whilst Logan is a more grim and depressing western type movie, but Deadpool proved R rated could still make Spidey levels of cash ad so Logan got the green light.
I mean I enjoy bickering with people and all over differing opinions but I just don't get this I want X to fail mentality, if you don't like it just don't fucking watch it, how is it's existence hurting you?
I agree. And the diversity of these movies is something to celebrate as well. As much as I love the MCU, I absolutely do not want it to be the only franchise in the genre. It has its limitations in terms of tone and style. That's one reason I'm so excited for Joker. It looks to be unlike anything we have seen since TDK. And that's refreshing. Im also honestly glad that DC is no longer doing a shared universe. This way their individual films don't have to gel into a single cohesive brand.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Sept 12, 2019 0:39:46 GMT
If I wasn’t such a mega Kiss Kiss Bang Bang fan I’d maybe agree. I do think IM3 gets a bad rap though because of that garbage Mandarin reveal. Without that I can’t even imagine what people would think of it. It was all just a bit more silly. The humour didn't work so well, the kid was annoying and the final battle scene just seemed like a big toy commercial. That they tried to pull a second Mandarin twist just made it worse. Then they brought out that short to try and fix it but nothing has come of it. It was only the second MCU movie by Disney so I remember people were concerned that it meant they were all gonna be toned down to be more kid friendly after that one. Though that wasn't the case thankfully. I thought the kid stuff was funny because it was so the opposite dynamic that those kinds of parts in movies usually have. But yeah Shang-Chi is apparently supposed to feature the “real” Mandarin. It’s called Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. |
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