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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 19:09:04 GMT
All I hear from people is that mutants can't work in he MCU because if there were any, then they would have showed up by now. Or, it doesn't make sense that The Avengers are beloved, while mutants experience hatred. Here's the thing, ignore all the rules from Fox's X-Men universe. If Fox and Marvel were to make a deal to have X-Men in the MCU, then that might mean that there are a lot less mutants around than there were in Fox's X-Men universe. Which would actually be sticking true to the source material, where mutants were a lot rarer in the early X-Men comics. Unlike Fox's X-Men universe, where mutants are already everywhere. If anything, having The Avengers and other superpower beings around would make it harder to detect a mutant. Because nobody knows what a mutant is yet, so people wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Especially if they make them rarer in the MCU. As for why The Avengers are loved, but mutants are hated on, well keep in mind that not everyone loves The Avengers in the MCU. Due to the amount of destruction they have caused. So if they do the same with mutants, like lets say Magneto causing trouble, then that would spark the fear towards mutants. So yeah, it's not really that complicated. I think the concept of mutant could work in the MCU. It's Fantastic Four in the MCU people should be worried about. They're suppose to be famous superheroes, yet not a single mention about them. Even if they gain their powers later, what would make them so fantastic compare to the other superheroes in the MCU? But I digress.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 20:12:38 GMT
Well, the people who say those things do have a point, and so do you.
There is no mention or even hint of superpower-inducing genetic mutations 14 movies into the MCU and they would have to play their cards exactly right to avoid making it look like a retcon. They could also wait to introduce Mutants after the whole Thanos ordeal is done. They could use the Infinity Stones as the catalyst for causing Mutations to become more common enough as to be more detectable for the first time. Then yes, the rest of what you said would definitely apply about split opinions or The Avengers and other superheroes applies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 22:14:41 GMT
Well, the people who say those things do have a point, and so do you. There is no mention or even hint of superpower-inducing genetic mutations 14 movies into the MCU and they would have to play their cards exactly right to avoid making it look like a retcon. They could also wait to introduce Mutants after the whole Thanos ordeal is done. They could use the Infinity Stones as the catalyst for causing Mutations to become more common enough as to be more detectable for the first time. Then yes, the rest of what you said would definitely apply about split opinions or The Avengers and other superheroes applies. Didn't that already happened to Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver? So technically, they could still be considered mutants. Also Namor and Molly Hayes will be introduced in the MCU soon (though, Marvel could always change Molly Hayes into an Inhuman instead of a mutant). So mutants are already showing up in the MCU. Marvel just can't use the term "mutants" in the films. Thus, why Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are known as enhanced. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 22:47:32 GMT
That's exactly where I'm pulling from. Hopefully, if Fox and Marvel are able to start getting along better the latter CAN start using the term "Mutants" and maybe even just have the X-Men brought in proper. Captain America: Civil War set the stage perfectly for the kind of persecution mutant-kind face all the time
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 18, 2017 23:04:47 GMT
The only way they could insert The mutants and X-Men this late in the MCU is they do something with the infinity stone's.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 23:06:53 GMT
I can somebody skipped my input into this discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 23:29:01 GMT
That's exactly where I'm pulling from. Hopefully, if Fox and Marvel are able to start getting along better the latter CAN start using the term "Mutants" and maybe even just have the X-Men brought in proper. Captain America: Civil War set the stage perfectly for the kind of persecution mutant-kind face all the time Well, Fox and Marvel's relationship has improved. Since Marvel is focusing on X-Men again by producing all new TV shows, new animated series, helped create a fictional X-Men comic for Logan, and they are bringing back classic Wolverine and the traditional X-Men back in the comics. I think the reason why they don't make a deal on bringing X-Men into the MCU, is probably because Marvel can only do one X-Men film at a time. So why give them X-Men when they can produce more X-Men by themselves? That's probably how they see it anyway. But hey, who knows? Maybe they can share the rights. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 23:54:20 GMT
Plus, bringing the X-Men into the MCU at this point would require fully rebooting it (the X-Men, not the MCU). No more McAvey, no more Fassbender, or anyone else. Not that I'd complain. It would be so nice to see the X-Men just start fresh and simple with no more continuity problems (and out of Singer's hands). My only real regret if this became reality would be that Pete Postlethwaite is no longer with us to play a new take on Professor X (since Stewart is also retiring from the series as of Logan, I believe).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 0:04:21 GMT
Plus, bringing the X-Men into the MCU at this point would require fully rebooting it (the X-Men, not the MCU). No more McAvey, no more Fassbender, or anyone else. Not that I'd complain. It would be so nice to see the X-Men just start fresh and simple with no more continuity problems (and out of Singer's hands). My only real regret if this became reality would be that Pete Postlethwaite is no longer with us to play a new take on Professor X (since Stewart is also retiring from the series as of Logan, I believe). Patrick Stewart just recently said that he's not ready to give up the role just yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 0:08:51 GMT
Alright, then it would be up to Marvel to decide if they wanted to keep any of the old guard, then.
If this happens, I would be so happy.
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Post by becauseiambatmanoffg on Feb 19, 2017 4:46:02 GMT
MCU is already telling the mutant discrimination esque storylines via inhumans in Agents of Shield. Bringing in mutants now would feel void.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 5:01:20 GMT
Not really.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 11:21:26 GMT
MCU is already telling the mutant discrimination esque storylines via inhumans in Agents of Shield. Bringing in mutants now would feel void. Except nobody cares about Inhumans. Inhumans doesn't even compare to X-Men when it comes to story and characters. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 19, 2017 19:36:06 GMT
It's mostly that mutants operate like an entire world to themselves. It just overly complicates anything else going on. I honestly would much rather see a new X-Men universe at this point by Fox. I think what Fox has done has been fine, but has sort of run it's course over 20 years and at this point would be ready for a new focus and new long term vision.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 20:38:27 GMT
It's mostly that mutants operate like an entire world to themselves. It just overly complicates anything else going on. I honestly would much rather see a new X-Men universe at this point by Fox. I think what Fox has done has been fine, but has sort of run it's course over 20 years and at this point would be ready for a new focus and new long term vision. "has done fine"? Are you kidding? X-Men 3, X-Men: Origins, First Class, The Wolverine, Days of Future Past, and Apocalypse is not "doing fine." They basically reset their continuity and have their actors going through the same steps over and over with each new installment. That new focus and new long term vision is never going to happen under Fox. The Mutants don't HAVE to be like an entire world to themselves if they join the MCU. They would only be that way or complicate matters if the writers let them. |
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Post by CoyoteGraves on Feb 19, 2017 20:44:55 GMT
It's mostly that mutants operate like an entire world to themselves. It just overly complicates anything else going on. I honestly would much rather see a new X-Men universe at this point by Fox. I think what Fox has done has been fine, but has sort of run it's course over 20 years and at this point would be ready for a new focus and new long term vision. "has done fine"? Are you kidding? X-Men 3, X-Men: Origins, First Class, The Wolverine, Days of Future Past, and Apocalypse is not "doing fine." They basically reset their continuity and have their actors going through the same steps over and over with each new installment. That new focus and new long term vision is never going to happen under Fox. The Mutants don't HAVE to be like an entire world to themselves if they join the MCU. They would only be that way or complicate matters if the writers let them. First Class, and DoFP were well received.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 20:52:09 GMT
Not really. They were both divisive. First Class barely managed to double its budget and DoFP suffers from all the same problems as the original trilogy even if it did fine at the box office. It doesn't change all the problems in the writing, the fact the actors keep going through the same motions in each film (how many times does Magneto have to lose everything?), or constant continuity problems the series can't seem to stop imposing on itself.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 19, 2017 20:55:23 GMT
"has done fine"? Are you kidding? X-Men 3, X-Men: Origins, First Class, The Wolverine, Days of Future Past, and Apocalypse is not "doing fine." They basically reset their continuity and have their actors going through the same steps over and over with each new installment. That new focus and new long term vision is never going to happen under Fox. The Mutants don't HAVE to be like an entire world to themselves if they join the MCU. They would only be that way or complicate matters if the writers let them. I just don't see the point. To be clear, the X-Men series hasn't interested me since X2, but I was trying to be nice about it.
Personally I'd rather see a new full blown X-Verse done in a Marvel style but set all it's own.
I just don't feel the need to have the X-Men jump into every world ending event the MCU wants to deal with. I'm not watching Infinity War and even the slightest bit upset that the X-Men don't show up, so I'm perfectly happy letting them play in their own sandbox, although I would like to see a new version at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 21:01:45 GMT
Who says they would have to jump into every world-ending event the MCU wants to deal with? It would be easy to use (most of) them as "street level" guys like Daredevil or Luke Sage, but with Secretary Ross and the Accords constantly trying to screw them over.
There are many ways to use the X-Men. Marvel Studios just has to get creative, which they are good at doing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 5:15:48 GMT
X-Men are not really involved in every big event that happens in the Marvel universe per se. In the Civil War comic, X-Men decided to not to get involve at all with the whole conflict between other superheores. Except for Wolverine. And in The Infinity Gauntlet comic (which Infinity War will be loosely based on), most of the X-Men are killed early on by Thanos. It's funny, it's almost as if Marvel knew that these comics were be made into movies and that they wouldn't be able to use X-Men.
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