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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 20, 2017 16:45:30 GMT
The X-Verse interacted perfectly well with the rest of the Marvel comics throughout the 60s, 70s and most of the 80s. The real problems started around the late 80s and all of the 90s where they kept treating them like separate worlds.
And the "Why are mutants hated but no one else is?" question would make a GREAT MCU X-Men movie if the addressed the issue directly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 21:35:58 GMT
I'm sure they could find a way to make it work. But I don't want them to. Disney would NEVER allow movies like Deadpool and Logan to be made. Diversity is a good thing in the CBM genre.
Plus, I think there are enough X-Men characters and stories that it actually WARRANTS it's own separate universe. And when you have that, you avoid the problem of having to explain why the public likes the Avengers but hates even the good mutants (like the X-Men).
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Post by agentblue on Feb 21, 2017 4:19:24 GMT
I would love for the X Men to be in the MCU, they would have to be recast of course and it would take some tricks to say how they havent been found yet. Maybe Professor X used his power to hide them all or something. I also think Charles and Erik would have to have their origins changed I mean, would Magneto be 100 by now? They could say he lost his grandparents in the war and he wasnt born yet or something. I wold love to see the X Men alongside the Avengers as well in the MCU. Sadly I doubt that will ever happen.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 21, 2017 5:05:21 GMT
I'm sure they could find a way to make it work. But I don't want them to. Disney would NEVER allow movies like Deadpool and Logan to be made. Diversity is a good thing in the CBM genre. Plus, I think there are enough X-Men characters and stories that it actually WARRANTS it's own separate universe. And when you have that, you avoid the problem of having to explain why the public likes the Avengers but hates even the good mutants (like the X-Men). Well, it's not like Fox would ever have made a movie like Guardians of the Galaxy. If a hypothetical MCU X-Men movie actually ADDRESSED the problem of the public liking the Avengers but not the X-Men, it would make for a good story. I mean really, Disney told a better story about race relations in ONE movie (Zootopia) than Fox has in years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 9:27:50 GMT
I would love for the X Men to be in the MCU, they would have to be recast of course and it would take some tricks to say how they havent been found yet. Maybe Professor X used his power to hide them all or something. I also think Charles and Erik would have to have their origins changed I mean, would Magneto be 100 by now? They could say he lost his grandparents in the war and he wasnt born yet or something. I wold love to see the X Men alongside the Avengers as well in the MCU. Sadly I doubt that will ever happen. Or just ignore the WWII aspects entirely. That's not what triggered Magneto to be a "villain" in the comics anyway. Magneto saw humanity as a threat when they destroyed his family, by burning her daughter alive and causing his wife to leave him after finding out he was a mutant. So just go with that aspect of his past in the MCU.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 13:56:28 GMT
I'm sure they could find a way to make it work. But I don't want them to. Disney would NEVER allow movies like Deadpool and Logan to be made. Diversity is a good thing in the CBM genre. Plus, I think there are enough X-Men characters and stories that it actually WARRANTS it's own separate universe. And when you have that, you avoid the problem of having to explain why the public likes the Avengers but hates even the good mutants (like the X-Men). Well, it's not like Fox would ever have made a movie like Guardians of the Galaxy. If a hypothetical MCU X-Men movie actually ADDRESSED the problem of the public liking the Avengers but not the X-Men, it would make for a good story. I mean really, Disney told a better story about race relations in ONE movie (Zootopia) than Fox has in years. I'm not lobbying for Fox to get control of the GotG property. Let Disney make their lighthearted superhero movies and let Fox make movies that are more adult (like Logan and Deadpool). And you're selling Fox short. X2 and DoFP are among the best superhero movies of all time. Deadpool was the breakout hit of last year. And the buzz surrounding Logan suggests it's in the same league as TDK.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 21, 2017 14:34:28 GMT
Well, it's not like Fox would ever have made a movie like Guardians of the Galaxy. If a hypothetical MCU X-Men movie actually ADDRESSED the problem of the public liking the Avengers but not the X-Men, it would make for a good story. I mean really, Disney told a better story about race relations in ONE movie (Zootopia) than Fox has in years. I'm not lobbying for Fox to get control of the GotG property. Let Disney make their lighthearted superhero movies and let Fox make movies that are more adult (like Logan and Deadpool). And you're selling Fox short. X2 and DoFP are among the best superhero movies of all time. Deadpool was the breakout hit of last year. And the buzz surrounding Logan suggests it's in the same league as TDK. Eh, I found X2 to just be a rehash of X1 to be honest...and I think DOFP had an artificial boost from Singer coming back and the old cast coming back for that silly fairytale ending because the audiences just couldn't accept X3's more bittersweet ending. As for Logan, I'll give it time. But I feel that critics are going easy on it due to it being Jackman's last hurrah.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 14:50:29 GMT
It's fine if you don't like those movies. But you can't really argue that those movies weren't successful with both critics and audiences.
As such, I'd rather see Fox maintain control of the X-Men properties. Marvel doesn't have unlimited bandwidth. They have their hands full with the characters that they do have, and they're doing just fine. Let's let Fox continue to experiment with the X-Men.
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Post by miike80 on Feb 21, 2017 14:55:48 GMT
If Marvel were to get the X-men rights, they would have made it work without effort
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Post by agentblue on Feb 21, 2017 20:33:47 GMT
I would love for the X Men to be in the MCU, they would have to be recast of course and it would take some tricks to say how they havent been found yet. Maybe Professor X used his power to hide them all or something. I also think Charles and Erik would have to have their origins changed I mean, would Magneto be 100 by now? They could say he lost his grandparents in the war and he wasnt born yet or something. I wold love to see the X Men alongside the Avengers as well in the MCU. Sadly I doubt that will ever happen. Or just ignore the WWII aspects entirely. That's not what triggered Magneto to be a "villain" in the comics anyway. Magneto saw humanity as a threat when they destroyed his family, by burning her daughter alive and causing his wife to leave him after finding out he was a mutant. So just go with that aspect of his past in the MCU. Thats a good idea actually, yes. Man I wish it was in the MCU UGH.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 0:24:49 GMT
Or just ignore the WWII aspects entirely. That's not what triggered Magneto to be a "villain" in the comics anyway. Magneto saw humanity as a threat when they destroyed his family, by burning her daughter alive and causing his wife to leave him after finding out he was a mutant. So just go with that aspect of his past in the MCU. THIS. It would be so easy to introduce Magneto as a mutant who had been laying low for years, but is then discovered and his family is lunched, triggering him to go into full "HUMANITY MUST PAY" mode. Of course, this would mean this would be yet another younger Magneto, but getting his start in the 21st century instead of the 60s.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 0:35:14 GMT
Magneto being a Holocaust survivor is CRUCIAL to his backstory. Same as Cap being a WWII vet. You have to introduce some other plot element to explain the reason why he doesn't physically LOOK like he's 100 year old. Maybe he was experimented on by the Nazis, but the experiment backfired and now he ages slower (or something).
In any case, I don't want the X-Men in the MCU.
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Post by agentblue on Feb 22, 2017 4:20:06 GMT
Or just ignore the WWII aspects entirely. That's not what triggered Magneto to be a "villain" in the comics anyway. Magneto saw humanity as a threat when they destroyed his family, by burning her daughter alive and causing his wife to leave him after finding out he was a mutant. So just go with that aspect of his past in the MCU. THIS. It would be so easy to introduce Magneto as a mutant who had been laying low for years, but is then discovered and his family is lunched, triggering him to go into full "HUMANITY MUST PAY" mode. Of course, this would mean this would be yet another younger Magneto, but getting his start in the 21st century instead of the 60s. That seems like the best they could do if they were to somehow get the rights.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 10:51:43 GMT
Magneto being a Holocaust survivor is CRUCIAL to his backstory. Same as Cap being a WWII vet. You have to introduce some other plot element to explain the reason why he doesn't physically LOOK like he's 100 year old. Maybe he was experimented on by the Nazis, but the experiment backfired and now he ages slower (or something). In any case, I don't want the X-Men in the MCU. No it's not. Once again, Magneto losing his wife and children at the hands of a mutant hating mob is what triggered him into becoming a "villain" in the comics. That alone justifies his actions. So there is no rule that says he HAS to be a holocaust survivor. And even if Magneto being a holocaust survivor is that crucial, it still needs to be updated. What they can do is explain that Magneto was held captive by HYDRA when he was younger and was experimented on, due to the potential of his mutant powers. There you go. Having X-Men in the MCU is not that complicated at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 13:23:14 GMT
Magneto being a Holocaust survivor is CRUCIAL to his backstory. Same as Cap being a WWII vet. You have to introduce some other plot element to explain the reason why he doesn't physically LOOK like he's 100 year old. Maybe he was experimented on by the Nazis, but the experiment backfired and now he ages slower (or something). In any case, I don't want the X-Men in the MCU. No it's not. Once again, Magneto losing his wife and children at the hands of a mutant hating mob is what triggered him into becoming a "villain" in the comics. That alone justifies his actions. So there is no rule that says he HAS to be a holocaust survivor. And even if Magneto being a holocaust survivor is that crucial, it still needs to be updated. What they can do is explain that Magneto was held captive by HYDRA when he was younger and was experimented on, due to the potential of his mutant powers. There you go. Having X-Men in the MCU is not that complicated at all. I think it is crucial. It's been a part of his history for decades. And, as I stated before, there is no reason the MCU needs the X-Men. They already have their plates full, and they would never greenlight stories like Deadpool and Logan (not R-rated ones, anyway). Variety is good. We don't need Disney to have a monopoly on superhero movies.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 22, 2017 13:27:18 GMT
Magneto just needs to be a survivor of Genocide, it doesn't have to be the Holocaust specifically. There have been other genocides (or attempted genocides) since then.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 13:45:14 GMT
Magneto just needs to be a survivor of Genocide, it doesn't have to be the Holocaust specifically. There have been other genocides (or attempted genocides) since then. I like when they root things in actual history. That's why Cap should always be a WWII vet instead of an [insert imaginary war] vet (for example). There are ways to address Magneto's physical appearance. Simple ways, actually. But even still, since this is all based on the premise that the MCU needs or should have the X-Men, I think it's a dumb idea in general.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 19:54:02 GMT
Magneto just needs to be a survivor of Genocide, it doesn't have to be the Holocaust specifically. There have been other genocides (or attempted genocides) since then. And that can work, too. The Holocaust isn't the only attempted complete extermination of a race form the 20th century.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 23, 2017 4:44:01 GMT
Magneto just needs to be a survivor of Genocide, it doesn't have to be the Holocaust specifically. There have been other genocides (or attempted genocides) since then. I like when they root things in actual history. The Holocaust isn't the only attempted Genocide of the 20th Century.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 13:30:04 GMT
I like when they root things in actual history. The Holocaust isn't the only attempted Genocide of the 20th Century. Doesn't matter. I'm not arguing that it's IMPOSSIBLE to change Magneto's origin. Just that it's a bad idea.
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