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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 20, 2017 16:43:15 GMT
If it didn't actually work, I doubt that so many prominent personalities throughout history would have bothered fooling with it. Do you think that Vishnu is a real entity? So many prominent personalities throughout history..... Vishnu is the Indian name/personification for the Creator, and I believe in the Creator. Hope that helps.
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Apr 20, 2017 17:05:02 GMT
Another speciality on the way, Molar?
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Apr 20, 2017 17:08:47 GMT
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Thank you for that Polish magic trick.
Was that how it was supposed to work? Try it on your sister next time you visit her death bed and see.
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 20, 2017 17:32:53 GMT
There is a simple test to determine whether or not magic (as a supernatural force) actually exists, and that comes in the ability (or inability) to answer some basic, fundamental questions about it.
1) How does magic work? (What scientific theory explains the law or principles of magic)
2) How does one use magic? (Verbal incantations, hand waving, prayer, meditation, wands?)
3) What are the limitations of magic? (Under what circumstances will magic not work?)
4) If only special people can use magic, then what makes them special? (genes, religion, sixth sense?)
5) If ANYONE can use magic, then how come there are no proven examples of anyone doing it?
6) Is there any documented evidence of magic actually being used? (video footage, ectoplasmic residue, radiation)
7) If any of these questions about magic cannot be answered, or if such answers cannot be validated, then what reason is there to believe in it at all?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 20, 2017 17:49:18 GMT
There is a simple test to determine whether or not magic (as a supernatural force) actually exists, and that comes in the ability (or inability) to answer some basic, fundamental questions about it. 1) How does magic work? (What scientific theory explains the law or principles of magic) 2) How does one use magic? (Verbal incantations, hand waving, prayer, meditation, wands?) 3) What are the limitations of magic? (Under what circumstances will magic not work?) 4) If only special people can use magic, then what makes them special? (genes, religion, sixth sense?) 5) If ANYONE can use magic, then how come there are no proven examples of anyone doing it? 6) Is there any documented evidence of magic actually being used? (video footage, ectoplasmic residue, radiation) 7) If any of these questions about magic cannot be answered, or if such answers cannot be validated, then what reason is there to believe in it at all? Playing Devil's Advocate here, what reason is there to believe Christ was resurrected from the dead? I believe it nonetheless.
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 20, 2017 18:03:37 GMT
There is a simple test to determine whether or not magic (as a supernatural force) actually exists, and that comes in the ability (or inability) to answer some basic, fundamental questions about it. 1) How does magic work? (What scientific theory explains the law or principles of magic) 2) How does one use magic? (Verbal incantations, hand waving, prayer, meditation, wands?) 3) What are the limitations of magic? (Under what circumstances will magic not work?) 4) If only special people can use magic, then what makes them special? (genes, religion, sixth sense?) 5) If ANYONE can use magic, then how come there are no proven examples of anyone doing it? 6) Is there any documented evidence of magic actually being used? (video footage, ectoplasmic residue, radiation) 7) If any of these questions about magic cannot be answered, or if such answers cannot be validated, then what reason is there to believe in it at all? Playing Devil's Advocate here, what reason is there to believe Christ was resurrected from the dead? I believe it nonetheless. Are you saying there is no actual reason to believe in what you believe in? Because if you are then my answer is simple...you believe in it because it's what you WANT to believe.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Apr 20, 2017 18:13:30 GMT
I believe that the occult exists... I don't believe that it actually works. If it didn't actually work, I doubt that so many prominent personalities throughout history would have bothered fooling with it. That's... that's a horrible metric. Horrible. That's how Scientology happens.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 20, 2017 18:31:54 GMT
If it didn't actually work, I doubt that so many prominent personalities throughout history would have bothered fooling with it. That's... that's a horrible metric. Horrible. That's how Scientology happens. You don't say? When I was new to the RFS board I was told I was wrong because four people (that is four anonymous IMDb accounts) told me I was wrong. It wasn't such a "horrible metric" then.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 20, 2017 18:35:05 GMT
Playing Devil's Advocate here, what reason is there to believe Christ was resurrected from the dead? I believe it nonetheless. Are you saying there is no actual reason to believe in what you believe in? Because if you are then my answer is simple...you believe in it because it's what you WANT to believe. My reasons for believing are somewhat innate. Incidentally, I don't WANT to believe in chemtrails, but it isn't a matter of belief, because often the evidence floating above me is simply overwhelming.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Apr 20, 2017 18:46:30 GMT
Yep, that was and is a pretty horrible metric.
Anyway, "lots of prominent people have dabbled in it so it must work" is how mediums and fortune tellers make their money.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 20, 2017 18:54:12 GMT
Yep, that was and is a pretty horrible metric. Anyway, "lots of prominent people have dabbled in it so it must work" is how mediums and fortune tellers make their money. Rudolf Hess seems to have taken it seriously. I have a conspiracy theory about him.....but that's a story for another day.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 20, 2017 19:03:26 GMT
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Thank you for that Polish magic trick.
Was that how it was supposed to work? Try it on your sister next time you visit her death bed and see. Hey, Aj June, please tell me that you weren't seriously expecting relevant threads from this bug. First of all, he's got nothing to talk about. And second, do you really think he's going to start a thread and expose himself to the kind of trolling that he dishes out to others? All he does is troll. He's no good for anything else. I've got to give FilmFlaneur some credit. He started a relevant thread. I hope you're not seriously expecting anything good from Hitler. He's doing all he's able to do.
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Apr 20, 2017 19:24:52 GMT
Try it on your sister next time you visit her death bed and see. Hey, Aj June, please tell me that you weren't seriously expecting relevant threads from this bug. First of all, he's got nothing to talk about. And second, do you really think he's going to start a thread and expose himself to the kind of trolling that he dishes out to others? All he does is troll. He's no good for anything else. I've got to give FilmFlaneur some credit. He started a relevant thread. I hope you're not seriously expecting anything good from Hitler. He's doing all he's able to do. Well, thanks for admitting you were the one who reported me, ErJen. Do you want to shed some light on why, given you know I know that her "sister" is a figment of her feverish imagination?
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 20, 2017 20:31:03 GMT
Are you saying there is no actual reason to believe in what you believe in? Because if you are then my answer is simple...you believe in it because it's what you WANT to believe. My reasons for believing are somewhat innate. Incidentally, I don't WANT to believe in chemtrails, but it isn't a matter of belief, because often the evidence floating above me is simply overwhelming. Are you saying you were born with a belief in God? That it comes solely from inside you, with no external reason for the belief?
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 21, 2017 1:21:18 GMT
I believe many people are atheists because that makes them "feel good" as well. It is amazing how similar people can be. Does not believing in Apollo make you "feel good"? I like Greek mythology. I always have as long as I can remember. Aesop's fables have valuable lessons. The story of Tithonus has a valuable lesson about the extension of human life that people today might benefit from hearing. The Greek "gods" were far from perfect and that probably led to anthropomorphism becoming so unpopular. Not as many people have read Greek mythology enough to appreciate it as have read the Bible. Having fewer people to compare notes on something is not the best feeling, no.
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 21, 2017 1:37:35 GMT
[1] They never the less were very keen to keep religion and state entirely separate, and for good reason. Religions don't take money by force, only government does that in the United States. Otherwise religion has been very active in guiding the making of laws as well it should again.There you go again counting Christianity as a "religion." I warned you about that before.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 2:16:36 GMT
No, I don't believe magic exists (shocker, I know).
Unless you're talking about like stage magicians doing tricks. I've seen that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 2:19:05 GMT
I believe that the occult exists... I don't believe that it actually works. If it didn't actually work, I doubt that so many prominent personalities throughout history would have bothered fooling with it. I sometimes have similar thoughts about Batman.
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Post by pennypacker on Apr 21, 2017 2:49:37 GMT
I would like to.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 21, 2017 6:52:58 GMT
My reasons for believing are somewhat innate. Incidentally, I don't WANT to believe in chemtrails, but it isn't a matter of belief, because often the evidence floating above me is simply overwhelming. Are you saying you were born with a belief in God? That it comes solely from inside you, with no external reason for the belief? No, I'm not saying that.
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