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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2021 21:09:26 GMT
This is one of the first things I said to my friend as we left the theater. A “head canon” explanation could be that the noise from super speed wind resistance caused the impairment or perhaps the Celestials knew that superspeed wind resistance noise would be too loud to endure? But… Basically it’s just the desire of the filmmakers to represent a disabled character without logically explaining it. I mean, if the Celestials can make Ikaris durable enough to survive traveling from Earth to the Sun in a matter of seconds then I'm pretty sure they could give Makkari working eardrums. At least Sprite being a kid can be excused by the Celestials not understanding the concept of age like we do so don't care how old the body is of the Eternals. But physically impairing one of their Eternals seemed silly. For sure. Another question would be: if she can sense and understand spoken language (as I believe they stated was the case) why do they use sign language? And if she possesses this ability is she actually a representation of diversity as claimed? I actually have a deaf aunt who is a very good lip reader, but she definitely can’t use a sixth sense to understand speech!
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 18, 2021 23:46:16 GMT
But in the movie it was a team of immortal superheroes fighting a bunch of wild animals, more or less; for some reason or other. In the comics, its an on-going "secret" war between two races, one perfect, the other wholly imperfect, in order to protect humanity throughout history, and not only to protect them from being killed, but also from being genetically manipulated and steered in the wrong direction. None of that is really in the movie. Instead, Kingo is a Bollywood star, an immortal woman thinks she's a little girl, and Ikaris - the hero of the whole thing, is turned into the villain. (and by the way, what a waste of Angelina Jolie in a completely underwritten role!) I know I'm quibbling, if they had just stayed closer to the ideas in the comics I think they would have had a much more interesting movie, instead of making it about immortals making human jokes. Still, I did like the movie. I'm just thinking about how it could have been better. Wait... There's a difference between criticizing an adaptation for making bad changes and criticizing an adaptation for the mere fact it has changes. Which one are you doing? In the comics, some of the Eternals thought they were human because they couldn't remember the past. The discovery of the truth was structured similarly to pretty much any super-hero origin story you can think of. I don't think that would've made for a more interesting movie. Same with making everyone either a clear-cut hero or a clear-cut villain. The Deviants here have no personality because the goal isn't to defeat them. The goal is to stop what Arishem had planned... except that Arishem has a logical reason to want to do that (hence why the heroes have to debate about it first). Similarly, Ikaris struggles with his decisions and ultimately betrays his ideals because he loves Sersi. What's wrong with Kingo being a Bollywood star? I remember Sprite being in the comics too (at least in the Neil Gaiman run), except that she was a boy. I understand what you're saying. Changes are necessary when adapting from a literate form to a visual medium. I say that all the time. But what I'm saying here is that there are some changes that make for better story and some that don't. I would have liked the Deviants to be real characters instead of dumbs beasts, because their threat would have been much greater, much more concerted, and they would have been better characters overall. As they are in the comics. If the Deviants had been the true villains they COULD have been, you wouldn't have needed to make Ikaris the villain. Not to mention that turning Ikaris into the villain also added nothing. It was just a story twist for audience surprise. Kingo being a Bollywood star is just put in there for laughs. Not to actually add anything to the story. Y'know how I know that? Take it out of the story and see if it was necessary. You'll see it wasn't. I enjoyed the movie, but these are some reasons I'm giving as to how I think it could have been better.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 18, 2021 23:54:24 GMT
Were you guys aware that in the comics several Deviants are actually fully fledged characters with personalities all their own? In this movie they were just... beasts. Meh. Making humanoid deviants who are “genetically inferior” would likely evoke unintentional racist allegories. I think it was smart to avoid it. I see what you mean. But I've always thought of it this way: Its actually the Deviants who are genetically better, BECAUSE of the genetic diversity. Its them who are in fact better because they have so much to offer. The Eternals may be beautiful and immortal, but that actually makes them stagnant, without the ability to evolve, grow or become better. When it comes down to it the Deviants are totally misunderstood and are the ones who are more like humans. You play it from that angle and it works.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 19, 2021 0:08:07 GMT
For those of you who've watched it, how do you rank Eternals against Black Widow and Shang Chi? Liked those better.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 19, 2021 0:11:22 GMT
I mean, if the Celestials can make Ikaris durable enough to survive traveling from Earth to the Sun in a matter of seconds then I'm pretty sure they could give Makkari working eardrums. And Ikaris can travel into the sun. But can be stabbed by thin Deviant spikes. Little inconsistencies like this may not outright ruin a movie, but they give me the eye rolls.
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Post by Vits on Nov 19, 2021 0:24:58 GMT
I mean, if the Celestials can make Ikaris durable enough to survive traveling from Earth to the Sun in a matter of seconds then I'm pretty sure they could give Makkari working eardrums. Maybe they offered Makkari working eardrums and she refused. This topic was explored in "Sound of Metal" (this actress also appears in that movie). For sure. Another question would be: if she can sense and understand spoken language (as I believe they stated was the case) why do they use sign language? And if she possesses this ability is she actually a representation of diversity as claimed? I actually have a deaf aunt who is a very good lip reader, but she definitely can’t use a sixth sense to understand speech! It's comments like this why we can't have nice things. turning Ikaris into the villain also added nothing. It was just a story twist for audience surprise. But he's the main obstacle during the climax of the plot, as well as a couple of scenes leading up to it. Kingo being a Bollywood star is just put in there for laughs. Not to actually add anything to the story. Y'know how I know that? Take it out of the story and see if it was necessary. You'll see it wasn't. I don't follow. I mean, each Eternal has a different life in the modern world. In order to reach the goal of the plot, they all could theoretically have any career. The screenwriters simply chose to clarify them.
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Post by rmw4real on Nov 22, 2021 15:28:50 GMT
For those of you who've watched it, how do you rank Eternals against Black Widow and Shang Chi? Oh it's the worst out of the two, and I didn't like either of them.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 26, 2021 18:19:23 GMT
Well that's the end of that chapter. Eternals co-screenwriter Kaz Firpo confirms that Richard Madden's character Ikaris is indeed officially dead at the end of the Marvel film."...What is the melting point of an Eternal? How long does it take to literally melt an Eternal robot? For what it's worth... yeah, it was always that. He can't bear to face his family after what he's done, which he realizes. I don't think that Ikaris even thinks that he's wrong. I think that he just has so much regret. He's very sorry. I think he's sorry for the way he lived his whole life on this planet, and that's a lot of burden to carry. So really, that act is basically saying, “I made a mistake, but I can't face my family, and I can't go on living.” It began as an exile that I think, throughout the course of the filmmaking, really became something that needed to be definitive. It really is a moment of saying, “It's sacrifice.” It's sort of saying, “I can't serve the Eternals. If I can't serve the Celestials, and I can't be with my family, then I choose this third option,” which -- for him -- really is oblivion. So yeah, he dead...." screenrant.com/eternals-ikaris-death-richard-madden-writer-confirmed/
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Post by Lux on Nov 26, 2021 18:22:29 GMT
Well that's the end of that chapter. Eternals co-screenwriter Kaz Firpo confirms that Richard Madden's character Ikaris is indeed officially dead at the end of the Marvel film."...What is the melting point of an Eternal? How long does it take to literally melt an Eternal robot? For what it's worth... yeah, it was always that. He can't bear to face his family after what he's done, which he realizes. I don't think that Ikaris even thinks that he's wrong. I think that he just has so much regret. He's very sorry. I think he's sorry for the way he lived his whole life on this planet, and that's a lot of burden to carry. So really, that act is basically saying, “I made a mistake, but I can't face my family, and I can't go on living.” It began as an exile that I think, throughout the course of the filmmaking, really became something that needed to be definitive. It really is a moment of saying, “It's sacrifice.” It's sort of saying, “I can't serve the Eternals. If I can't serve the Celestials, and I can't be with my family, then I choose this third option,” which -- for him -- really is oblivion. So yeah, he dead...." screenrant.com/eternals-ikaris-death-richard-madden-writer-confirmed/They killed off the best character, great.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 26, 2021 23:09:48 GMT
Well that's the end of that chapter. Eternals co-screenwriter Kaz Firpo confirms that Richard Madden's character Ikaris is indeed officially dead at the end of the Marvel film."...What is the melting point of an Eternal? How long does it take to literally melt an Eternal robot? For what it's worth... yeah, it was always that. He can't bear to face his family after what he's done, which he realizes. I don't think that Ikaris even thinks that he's wrong. I think that he just has so much regret. He's very sorry. I think he's sorry for the way he lived his whole life on this planet, and that's a lot of burden to carry. So really, that act is basically saying, “I made a mistake, but I can't face my family, and I can't go on living.” It began as an exile that I think, throughout the course of the filmmaking, really became something that needed to be definitive. It really is a moment of saying, “It's sacrifice.” It's sort of saying, “I can't serve the Eternals. If I can't serve the Celestials, and I can't be with my family, then I choose this third option,” which -- for him -- really is oblivion. So yeah, he dead...." screenrant.com/eternals-ikaris-death-richard-madden-writer-confirmed/Yeah well, I don't think a co-screenwriter has that much say in this regard. If Kevin Feige wanted to include Ikaris in a future film, that will easily override anything that Mr. Firpo has to say on that matter.
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Post by Lux on Nov 26, 2021 23:26:24 GMT
I should also clarify in my reply to Politicidal that I had meant that Ikaris was the best character in the Eternals only not the MCU.
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Post by scabab on Dec 4, 2021 15:28:04 GMT
I saw it last night and thought it was good. Not sure why it had such poor reviews myself.
It was probably 15 minutes too long and the characters weren't the best but I've seen worse MCU movies.
It was better than Black Widow but worse than Shang Chi.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 4, 2021 19:18:56 GMT
I saw it last night and thought it was good. Not sure why it had such poor reviews myself. It was probably 15 minutes too long and the characters weren't the best but I've seen worse MCU movies. It was better than Black Widow but worse than Shang Chi. I rank it the same. Shang Chi > Eternals > Black Widow
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Post by politicidal on Jan 23, 2022 17:44:21 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Jan 25, 2022 1:54:10 GMT
Black Knight's sword will appear in Blade.
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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 28, 2022 1:10:13 GMT
It was entertaining and nice to see a superhero fight taking place in Camden Town. Last time I saw a fight there it was a couple of winos having a go at each other.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 1, 2022 21:47:08 GMT
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 2, 2022 20:13:39 GMT
That's too bad, his version of the character sucks. If they're going to bring back Gilgamesh, I'd want something closer to the comics.
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Post by Lux on Feb 2, 2022 20:31:06 GMT
That's too bad, his version of the character sucks. If they're going to bring back Gilgamesh, I'd want something closer to the comics. Yes his character was forgettable.
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Post by Cat on Feb 3, 2022 2:51:50 GMT
I spent most of the movie wondering if Ikaris' accent was real.
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