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Post by jimmyboy on Jan 5, 2024 2:28:43 GMT
Is your faith in this church still strong as it was 15 years ago?
When Sinead O'Connor ripped up the picture of the pope in 92, her career plummeted. Now people are realizing why she did it; there emerged many founded allegations of molestation in the years that followed.
In the last few years there have been stories coming out of Canada about the residential school scandal. Basically, the government felt it was a good idea the "improve" Native aboriginals lives by seizing them from their parents and put them in schools run by various religious orders. The church leaders then took advantage of the kids in their charge by sexually and physically abusing them. Gay and straight sexual abuse took place. Some pregnancies no doubt happened and they were conveniently covered up. The priests and nuns were never charged or disciplined for this, even though the higher ups knew about this.
So if priests and nuns could have gay sex and abortions, why can't the rest of us?
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Post by clusium on Jan 5, 2024 4:12:56 GMT
Is your faith in this church still strong as it was 15 years ago? When Sinead O'Connor ripped up the picture of the pope in 92, her career plummeted. Now people are realizing why she did it; there emerged many founded allegations of molestation in the years that followed. in the last few years there have been stories coming out of Canada about the residential school scandal. Basically, the government felt it was a good idea the "improve" Native aboriginals lives by seizing them from their parents and put them in schools run by various religious orders. The church leaders then took advantage of the kids in their charge by sexually and physically abusing them. Gay and straight sexual abuse took place. Some pregnancies no doubt happened and they were conveniently happened. The priests and nuns were never charged or disciplined for this, even though the higher us knew about this. So if priests and nuns could have gay sex and abortions, why can't the rest of us? Sexual abuse by people in the clergy was known long before Sinead O'Connor pulled her stunt. In regards to the residential school scandal: Not a single body had been found in any of those unmarked graves. jimmyboy, please allow me to recommend you a book: Grave Error, by CP Champion & Tom Flanagan. |
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Post by jimmyboy on Jan 6, 2024 1:43:31 GMT
Is your faith in this church still strong as it was 15 years ago? When Sinead O'Connor ripped up the picture of the pope in 92, her career plummeted. Now people are realizing why she did it; there emerged many founded allegations of molestation in the years that followed. in the last few years there have been stories coming out of Canada about the residential school scandal. Basically, the government felt it was a good idea the "improve" Native aboriginals lives by seizing them from their parents and put them in schools run by various religious orders. The church leaders then took advantage of the kids in their charge by sexually and physically abusing them. Gay and straight sexual abuse took place. Some pregnancies no doubt happened and they were conveniently happened. The priests and nuns were never charged or disciplined for this, even though the higher us knew about this. So if priests and nuns could have gay sex and abortions, why can't the rest of us? Sexual abuse by people in the clergy was known long before Sinead O'Connor pulled her stunt. In regards to the residential school scandal: Not a single body had been found in any of those unmarked graves. jimmyboy , please allow me to recommend you a book: Grave Error, by CP Champion & Tom Flanagan. There have been numerous reports of bodies discovered, contrary to what you said. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_systemwww.the-sun.com/news/3153310/remains-761-children-found-mass-grave-canada-school/As for the rest of your response, I will say that yes, there were reports long before Sinead O'Connor's stunt. Also, you have confirmed what I said about what happened. It's what you haven't said that I find disquieting. It doesn't seem to bother you that the Catholic church (amongst others) participated in systematic abuse of kids for decades. There is also the matter that many churches preach that abortion and homosexuality is a sin, yet the bishops and cardinals turned a blind eye to their own priests and nuns were doing the same thing. And to kids no less. I read some of your posts and you seem like a sincere person, but have you ever wondered that when they pass around the collection plate during mass, how much of that money was going to bail the church out? |
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Post by clusium on Jan 6, 2024 4:25:14 GMT
Sexual abuse by people in the clergy was known long before Sinead O'Connor pulled her stunt. In regards to the residential school scandal: Not a single body had been found in any of those unmarked graves. jimmyboy , please allow me to recommend you a book: Grave Error, by CP Champion & Tom Flanagan. There have been numerous reports of bodies discovered, contrary to what you said. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_systemwww.the-sun.com/news/3153310/remains-761-children-found-mass-grave-canada-school/As for the rest of your response, I will say that yes, there were reports long before Sinead O'Connor's stunt. Also, you have confirmed what I said about what happened. It's what you haven't said that I find disquieting. It doesn't seem to bother you that the Catholic church (amongst others) participated in systematic abuse of kids for decades. There is also the matter that many churches preach that abortion and homosexuality is a sin, yet the bishops and cardinals turned a blind eye to their own priests and nuns were doing the same thing. And to kids no less. I read some of your posts and you seem like a sincere person, but have you ever wondered that when they pass around the collection plate during mass, how much of that money was going to bail the church out? They found GRAVES, no bodies of any children in them. And yes, it DOES bother Catholics that there have been men in the clergy who have been convicted of sex crimes against children. These men should be in prison for the rest of their lives. |
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Post by jimmyboy on Jan 6, 2024 16:24:49 GMT
There have been numerous reports of bodies discovered, contrary to what you said. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_systemwww.the-sun.com/news/3153310/remains-761-children-found-mass-grave-canada-school/As for the rest of your response, I will say that yes, there were reports long before Sinead O'Connor's stunt. Also, you have confirmed what I said about what happened. It's what you haven't said that I find disquieting. It doesn't seem to bother you that the Catholic church (amongst others) participated in systematic abuse of kids for decades. There is also the matter that many churches preach that abortion and homosexuality is a sin, yet the bishops and cardinals turned a blind eye to their own priests and nuns were doing the same thing. And to kids no less. I read some of your posts and you seem like a sincere person, but have you ever wondered that when they pass around the collection plate during mass, how much of that money was going to bail the church out? They found GRAVES, no bodies of any children in them. And yes, it DOES bother Catholics that there have been men in the clergy who have been convicted of sex crimes against children. These men should be in prison for the rest of their lives. I think we will have to agree to disagree on the graves issue. It isn't just the fact that these men and women in the clergy committed those crimes, but that their supervisors swept the issue under the carpet. Also, the stance that they continue to denounce consenting sex between two people of the same sex, while hiding the crimes of some of their own staff. |
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Post by clusium on Jan 6, 2024 17:30:51 GMT
They found GRAVES, no bodies of any children in them. And yes, it DOES bother Catholics that there have been men in the clergy who have been convicted of sex crimes against children. These men should be in prison for the rest of their lives. I think we will have to agree to disagree on the graves issue. It isn't just the fact that these men and women in the clergy committed those crimes, but that their supervisors swept the issue under the carpet. Also, the stance that they continue to denounce consenting sex between two people of the same sex, while hiding the crimes of some of their own staff. Agree with you there. And so do pretty much ALL Catholics, be they laity or clergy alike. Read the following quote from this exorcist in his blog from today: ~ Msgr. Stephen Rossetti. Satan Always Has A Plan
BTW, not only does the Church condemn the sexual acts of 2 people of the same sex as sinful, the Church also condemns the sexual acts of 2 people from THE OPPOSITE SEX as sinful as well (if it is done outside of marriage). Eg: 2 people living together outside of marriage is known by society as Common Law "marriage." However the Church has another name for a couple doing that: Living in sin. |
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Post by jimmyboy on Feb 1, 2024 1:39:55 GMT
I think we will have to agree to disagree on the graves issue. It isn't just the fact that these men and women in the clergy committed those crimes, but that their supervisors swept the issue under the carpet. Also, the stance that they continue to denounce consenting sex between two people of the same sex, while hiding the crimes of some of their own staff. Agree with you there. And so do pretty much ALL Catholics, be they laity or clergy alike. Read the following quote from this exorcist in his blog from today: ~ Msgr. Stephen Rossetti. Satan Always Has A Plan
BTW, not only does the Church condemn the sexual acts of 2 people of the same sex as sinful, the Church also condemns the sexual acts of 2 people from THE OPPOSITE SEX as sinful as well (if it is done outside of marriage). Eg: 2 people living together outside of marriage is known by society as Common Law "marriage." However the Church has another name for a couple doing that: Living in sin. Interesting that this is a do as I say, not as I do. I wonder how many people have left the church over this. B TW, not only does the Church condemn the sexual acts of 2 people of the same sex as sinful, the Church also condemns the sexual acts of 2 people from THE OPPOSITE SEX as sinful as well (if it is done outside of marriage). Eg: 2 people living together outside of marriage is known by society as Common Law "marriage." However the Church has another name for a couple doing that: Living in sin.As for the above quote, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? It must be nice preaching that from the pulpit knowing that some of their fellow priests beat kids and have sex with them and then turn and call two adults who live together "in sin" bad people. |
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Post by The Lost One on Feb 1, 2024 21:51:50 GMT
BTW, not only does the Church condemn the sexual acts of 2 people of the same sex as sinful, the Church also condemns the sexual acts of 2 people from THE OPPOSITE SEX as sinful as well (if it is done outside of marriage). Even a lot of sex within marriage is considered sinful in Catholicism. Having sex for the purpose of having an orgasm rather than to procreate and express unity is a sin. There's a populist Christian author/podcaster called Rebecca McLaughlin who, while I don't really agree with her on much, sometimes takes quite interesting stances. She tries to reconcile a natural inclination towards social progressiveness with fundamentalist Christianity by basically being as progressive as her fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible will allow. So with homosexuality, she considers it sinful because she finds more progressive interpretations of the Bible on that point unconvincing. But she heartily condemns Christian homophobia because the vast majority of heterosexual sex, including within Christian marriage, is just as sinful as homosexual sex from a fundamentalist reading of the Bible. Singling out homosexuals is therefore rank hypocrisy in her view. |
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Post by Rodney Farber on Feb 2, 2024 2:19:46 GMT
BTW, not only does the Church condemn the sexual acts of 2 people of the same sex as sinful, the Church also condemns the sexual acts of 2 people from THE OPPOSITE SEX as sinful as well (if it is done outside of marriage). Even a lot of sex within marriage is considered sinful in Catholicism. Having sex for the purpose of having an orgasm rather than to procreate and express unity is a sin. Parishioners have a nasty trait: They eventually grow old and die. While life is not forever, parishioners can do their best to make the Catholic church survive by having sex (without birth control, of course). While not unanimous, a substantial percentage of children follow the spiel that their parents have been hearing (and preaching) throughout their childhood.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 3, 2024 16:02:02 GMT
They found GRAVES, no bodies of any children in them. And yes, it DOES bother Catholics that there have been men in the clergy who have been convicted of sex crimes against children. These men should be in prison for the rest of their lives. Its ridiculous to argue that because they only found graves that they are not guilty. What are graves for? DEAD BODIES! Obviously, if they found graves it implies that people died - that’s just common sense. Regarding the hypocrisy of the church, the question I have for Catholics like you is, why do you have any trust in an institution which says gay unions are sinful, while actively covering up sex abuse among their own clergy for decades? Why should anyone trust what they have to say on sin? They condemn gay partnerships - who cares? Why do you consider them an authority over what constitutes sin when they commit some of the worst sins? Shouldn’t that cause you to question the reliability of their teachings? |
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Post by jimmyboy on Feb 4, 2024 17:30:41 GMT
They found GRAVES, no bodies of any children in them. And yes, it DOES bother Catholics that there have been men in the clergy who have been convicted of sex crimes against children. These men should be in prison for the rest of their lives. Its ridiculous to argue that because they only found graves that they are not guilty. What are graves for? DEAD BODIES! Obviously, if they found graves it implies that people died - that’s just common sense. Regarding the hypocrisy of the church, the question I have for Catholics like you is, why do you have any trust in an institution which says gay unions are sinful, while actively covering up sex abuse among their own clergy for decades? Why should anyone trust what they have to say on sin? They condemn gay partnerships - who cares? Why do you consider them an authority over what constitutes sin when they commit some of the worst sins? Shouldn’t that cause you to question the reliability of their teachings? The odd thing is that she doesn't believe anything wrong happened and that it was all made up: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/330315/narrative-residential-schools?page=5I assume it could be one of a couple of things. She is obsessed that the Catholic church can do no wrong; despite plenty of evidence on this matter and others, an excuse will be found. Maybe there is some prejudice against natives. |
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 4, 2024 18:37:46 GMT
Its ridiculous to argue that because they only found graves that they are not guilty. What are graves for? DEAD BODIES! Obviously, if they found graves it implies that people died - that’s just common sense. Regarding the hypocrisy of the church, the question I have for Catholics like you is, why do you have any trust in an institution which says gay unions are sinful, while actively covering up sex abuse among their own clergy for decades? Why should anyone trust what they have to say on sin? They condemn gay partnerships - who cares? Why do you consider them an authority over what constitutes sin when they commit some of the worst sins? Shouldn’t that cause you to question the reliability of their teachings? The odd thing is that she doesn't believe anything wrong happened and that it was all made up: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/330315/narrative-residential-schools?page=5I assume it could be one of a couple of things. She is obsessed that the Catholic church can do no wrong; despite plenty of evidence on this matter and others, an excuse will be found. Maybe there is some prejudice against natives. To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure how any of that connects specifically with the Catholic Church anyway. While I do think it's a bit silly to deny the facts, in this case the facts don't necessarily implicate her religion, just religion and Christianity broadly. |
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Post by jimmyboy on Feb 11, 2024 23:21:40 GMT
The odd thing is that she doesn't believe anything wrong happened and that it was all made up: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/330315/narrative-residential-schools?page=5I assume it could be one of a couple of things. She is obsessed that the Catholic church can do no wrong; despite plenty of evidence on this matter and others, an excuse will be found. Maybe there is some prejudice against natives. To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure how any of that connects specifically with the Catholic Church anyway. While I do think it's a bit silly to deny the facts, in this case the facts don't necessarily implicate her religion, just religion and Christianity broadly. Understood. I was curious about what was said in the thread I referenced. |
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Post by clusium on Feb 12, 2024 2:34:29 GMT
They found GRAVES, no bodies of any children in them. And yes, it DOES bother Catholics that there have been men in the clergy who have been convicted of sex crimes against children. These men should be in prison for the rest of their lives. Its ridiculous to argue that because they only found graves that they are not guilty. What are graves for? DEAD BODIES! Obviously, if they found graves it implies that people died - that’s just common sense. Regarding the hypocrisy of the church, the question I have for Catholics like you is, why do you have any trust in an institution which says gay unions are sinful, while actively covering up sex abuse among their own clergy for decades? Why should anyone trust what they have to say on sin? They condemn gay partnerships - who cares? Why do you consider them an authority over what constitutes sin when they commit some of the worst sins? Shouldn’t that cause you to question the reliability of their teachings? Thank you, Captain Obvious, er....I mean captainbryce. In regards to sexual abuse committed by members of the clergy: One does not leave the Lord Jesus because of Judas. As I recently read in an interview recently, any institution can become corrupted, because institutions - religion included - are run by people, & thereby can be potentially corrupted. Rest assured captainbryce, that the Catholic Church strongly condemned sexual abuse too: From the Catechism according to the Catholic Church: |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 12, 2024 23:34:56 GMT
Its ridiculous to argue that because they only found graves that they are not guilty. What are graves for? DEAD BODIES! Obviously, if they found graves it implies that people died - that’s just common sense. Regarding the hypocrisy of the church, the question I have for Catholics like you is, why do you have any trust in an institution which says gay unions are sinful, while actively covering up sex abuse among their own clergy for decades? Why should anyone trust what they have to say on sin? They condemn gay partnerships - who cares? Why do you consider them an authority over what constitutes sin when they commit some of the worst sins? Shouldn’t that cause you to question the reliability of their teachings? Thank you, Captain Obvious, er....I mean captainbryce . In regards to sexual abuse committed by members of the clergy: One does not leave the Lord Jesus because of Judas. As I recently read in an interview recently, any institution can become corrupted, because institutions - religion included - are run by people, & thereby can be potentially corrupted. Rest assured captainbryce , that the Catholic Church strongly condemned sexual abuse too: From the Catechism according to the Catholic Church: If the Catholic church condemns it so and yet quite a few within it perpetrate it never the less, given that it ought to set an example, then what use is it? (According to a 2004 research study by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, 4,392 Catholic priests and deacons in active ministry between 1950 and 2002 have been plausibly (neither withdrawn nor disproven) accused of underage sexual abuse by 10,667 individuals. This number constituted approximately 4% of the 110,000 priests who had served during the period covered by the survey (1950–2002). ) edited for readability |
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Post by clusium on Feb 13, 2024 0:59:50 GMT
Thank you, Captain Obvious, er....I mean captainbryce . In regards to sexual abuse committed by members of the clergy: One does not leave the Lord Jesus because of Judas. As I recently read in an interview recently, any institution can become corrupted, because institutions - religion included - are run by people, & thereby can be potentially corrupted. Rest assured captainbryce , that the Catholic Church strongly condemned sexual abuse too: From the Catechism according to the Catholic Church: If the Catholic church condemns it so and yet quite a few within it perpetrate it never the less, given that it ought to set an example, then what use is it? (According to a 2004 research study by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, 4,392 Catholic priests and deacons in active ministry between 1950 and 2002 have been plausibly (neither withdrawn nor disproven) accused of underage sexual abuse by 10,667 individuals. This number constituted approximately 4% of the 110,000 priests who had served during the period covered by the survey (1950–2002). ) It was WRONG of Bishops to try to cover it up. Catholics were absolutely FURIOUS with the Bishops that did. Eg: Remember all the people who demanded that Cardinal Bernard Law be removed when his acts were exposed? They were all Catholics, including priests. |
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Post by jimmyboy on Feb 13, 2024 23:21:46 GMT
It was WRONG of Bishops to try to cover it up. Catholics were absolutely FURIOUS with the Bishops that did. Eg: Remember all the people who demanded that Cardinal Bernard Law be removed when his acts were exposed? They were all Catholics, including priests. You contradict yourself by saying one thing in this thread and another in this thread: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/330315/narrative-residential-schools |
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Post by clusium on Feb 14, 2024 1:51:25 GMT
It was WRONG of Bishops to try to cover it up. Catholics were absolutely FURIOUS with the Bishops that did. Eg: Remember all the people who demanded that Cardinal Bernard Law be removed when his acts were exposed? They were all Catholics, including priests. You contradict yourself by saying one thing in this thread and another in this thread: imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/330315/narrative-residential-schoolsI am not contradicting anything. There were no bodies found in those graves. |
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Post by amyghost on Feb 14, 2024 12:30:50 GMT
I am not contradicting anything. There were no bodies found in those graves. But there were graves, this can't be contradicted. And that suggests a degree of denial is taking place. Graves are not dug without reason. And graves can have their contents exhumed and removed--which may not be all that surprising if the possibility exists that they may yield up some unpleasant facts if exhumed by the 'wrong people': those pesky sorts who might want to inquire as to what really happened at that site. |
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Post by clusium on Feb 14, 2024 13:10:26 GMT
I am not contradicting anything. There were no bodies found in those graves. But there were graves, this can't be contradicted. And that suggests a degree of denial is taking place. Graves are not dug without reason. And graves can have their contents exhumed and removed--which may not be all that surprising if the possibility exists that they may yield up some unpleasant facts if exhumed by the 'wrong people': those pesky sorts who might want to inquire as to what really happened at that site. Yes amyghost, there were graves. But, upon excavation, there were no BODIES OF MISSING CHILDREN in any of them, like Trudeau & others had the media & the public believe!!!! Justin Trudeau & Co.'s monologues & all over all performances (ie: Trudeau kneeling down at these cemeteries with a teddy bear (((  ))) brought out the anarchy in Canadians right across the country, with numerous Churches being burned to the ground (like OffTheBoatPsycho already mentioned), - SOME OF WHICH BELONGED TO TO FIRST NATIONS CANADIANS - & others being vandalized & received threats (such as the one that I attend). Native American/First Nation graves used to be marked with *WOODEN* crosses, which easily rot away, which would probably explain why these graves were unmarked upon discovery at these residential schools. |
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