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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 20:05:15 GMT
Be afraid...be very afraid!! Seriously, this is a very interesting topic. One can argue that when you are "dematerialized" and your molecules and atoms are broke down for transport, you are killed....gone. Rematerialized, you are merely a copy. Of course, this could only be know by experiments if such a technology was possible. If the brain is reconstructed exactly like the original, would it still contain the memories, feelings, experiences, ie personality? If you believe in a soul, would that stay with you? Even running the "experiments" wouldn't answer anything. How do you know that you are you and not a copy of you? What does that even mean? How do you know that when you wake up every day you aren't a copy of yesterday's you (while in deep sleep)? This is a good point. I once toyed with the idea of writing a short story about a man who wakes up everyday in a new alternative universe but the difference from one universe to the next is so minute that he would simply never be aware of it. I then decided this wouldn't be a very interesting read.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Jul 13, 2017 23:05:08 GMT
Yes, a transporter would be very handy. No more daily commute to work you beam back and forth, and it would also cut out the tedious amount of time spent at airports when you go on holiday, just beam straight to the resort. And if you're traveling on a tight budget you wouldn't even need a hotel, just beam back home at the end of the day. Of course your electricity bill might go up. So therefore you're willing TO DIE?! To be KILLED, JUST for the sake of convenience?!
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Jul 13, 2017 23:10:04 GMT
One would have to be SUICIDAL or EXTREMELY-IGNORANT of the FACTS IF they're WILLING to be teleported 'Star Trek' style. REGARDLESS, if new (or different, actually) atoms and molecules are used to reconstruct you at the destination point...or it's the same atoms and molecules.
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Post by general313 on Jul 13, 2017 23:48:47 GMT
One would have to be SUICIDAL or EXTREMELY-IGNORANT of the FACTS IF they're WILLING to be teleported 'Star Trek' style. REGARDLESS, if new (or different, actually) atoms and molecules are used to reconstruct you at the destination point...or it's the same atoms and molecules. Can you summarize your understanding of the FACTS? It has already been pointed out in this thread that around the time of a decade every molecule of your body (excepting the ones in your teeth) is substituted with a new replacement.
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Post by Jonesy1 on Jul 14, 2017 19:42:10 GMT
Yes, a transporter would be very handy. No more daily commute to work you beam back and forth, and it would also cut out the tedious amount of time spent at airports when you go on holiday, just beam straight to the resort. And if you're traveling on a tight budget you wouldn't even need a hotel, just beam back home at the end of the day. Of course your electricity bill might go up. So therefore you're willing TO DIE?! To be KILLED, JUST for the sake of convenience?!And the melodrama award goes to.
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Post by Utpe on Jul 15, 2017 3:22:48 GMT
After being thoroughly tested for accuracy, then yes, I would take the risk of being transported, molecules or not.
Think of it this way; you save money on gas, and other expenses for maintaining a vehicle. Using that mode of transportation alone is risky enough. You'd stand a better chance of being severely injured or killed in an accident. Vacations would be a lot less expensive. Why not beam yourself to certain locations? It's a safer option.
I don't think the technology will exist in our lifetime, but it's always nice to contemplate.
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Post by fatpaul on Jul 27, 2017 8:26:47 GMT
I don't particularly adhere to this scientific realism but if a machine as such was invented, you just might come out the other side looking like donkey kong. Best waiting for the N64 version at least, instead of diving straight into the commodore64 version first.
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Post by permutojoe on Jul 28, 2017 12:03:39 GMT
Hell no! What if there was a horrible malfunction and you ended up in a room full of fat chicks or naked old people?
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Post by SciFive on Jul 31, 2017 21:01:50 GMT
I've thought about this for years...
I wouldn't get into a Star Trek Transporter because I don't think it would really be me on the other side.
It would be a copy of me, which means that the real me would have died (even if the copy remembers everything I know). It still wouldn't be me.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Jul 31, 2017 22:19:48 GMT
I've thought about this for years... I wouldn't get into a Star Trek Transporter because I don't think it would really be me on the other side. It would be a copy of me, which means that the real me would have died (even if the copy remembers everything I know). It still wouldn't be me. ^THIS!^.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Jul 31, 2017 22:26:15 GMT
One would have to be SUICIDAL or EXTREMELY-IGNORANT of the FACTS IF they're WILLING to be teleported 'Star Trek' style. REGARDLESS, if new (or different, actually) atoms and molecules are used to reconstruct you at the destination point...or it's the same atoms and molecules. Can you summarize your understanding of the FACTS? It has already been pointed out in this thread that around the time of a decade every molecule of your body (excepting the ones in your teeth) is substituted with a new replacement. That's NOT the same! You really must be NAIVE and IGNORANT IF you think it IS. You're NOT thinking it through. Think of it in terms of a bullet being fired from a gun versus a bullet being tossed by someone with their hand. A bullet fired from a gun (if it hits) will kill, injure or graze. A bullet tossed will on be felt at most (a stinging feeling). So IF you DON'T GET THAT...go ahead and let yourself be teleported 'ST' way (or similar)...and commit suicide.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Jul 31, 2017 22:59:41 GMT
Or think of it like a collision with another car. At five miles per hour (ten in a collision since if both are going the same that doubles the speed) or the adding up of both speeds if one is faster than the other (5 mph + 6 mph = 11 mph impact speed). At that speed you should survive and not be hurt, or not too seriously hurt. But go fast enough and you probably will be severely injured or killed. So a ten-year process of atoms and cells being replaced won't harm you. However, if you speed-it-up to less than ten seconds...in all likelihood you WILL be killed by the process. Now do you understand, do you GET IT?
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Post by faustus5 on Aug 1, 2017 16:44:18 GMT
However, if you speed-it-up to less than ten seconds...in all likelihood you WILL be killed by the process. Now do you understand, do you GET IT? No, you are the one who doesn't get it. The process causes zero damage to the body and the duplicated version of you is just fine.
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Post by SciFive on Aug 1, 2017 16:49:30 GMT
However, if you speed-it-up to less than ten seconds...in all likelihood you WILL be killed by the process. Now do you understand, do you GET IT? No, you are the one who doesn't get it. The process causes zero damage to the body and the duplicated version of you is just fine. ...but is it YOU or a complete duplicate of you?
This is what concerns me. If it's just a complete instantaneous duplicate of you, then the real you just died.
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Post by faustus5 on Aug 1, 2017 18:52:59 GMT
...but is it YOU or a complete duplicate of you?
This is what concerns me. If it's just a complete instantaneous duplicate of you, then the real you just died. We are nothing over and above the information we embody, and by definition that is conserved, so there is no sense in which one version is the "real" me and the other not.
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Post by SciFive on Aug 1, 2017 18:54:17 GMT
...but is it YOU or a complete duplicate of you?
This is what concerns me. If it's just a complete instantaneous duplicate of you, then the real you just died.
We are nothing over and above the information we embody, and by definition that is conserved, so there is no sense in which one version is the "real" me and the other not. Au contraire - the ongoing me is the real me. A copy of me is not me. If a copy takes over, then I've died.
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Post by faustus5 on Aug 1, 2017 19:41:34 GMT
Au contraire - the ongoing me is the real me. A copy of me is not me. If a copy takes over, then I've died. Every bit of matter in your body save for that in your teeth gets replaced over time with new molecules and atoms. There is no such thing as a "real" you other than the persisting patterns that make you up, which are preserved by the transporter.
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Post by SciFive on Aug 1, 2017 19:47:03 GMT
Au contraire - the ongoing me is the real me. A copy of me is not me. If a copy takes over, then I've died. Every bit of matter in your body save for that in your teeth gets replaced over time with new molecules and atoms. There is no such thing as a "real" you other than the persisting patterns that make you up, which are preserved by the transporter. There is a continuous me that functions in my head while individual cells grow and get replaced over time. There is always a continuous me. If I am replaced by a copy, then I have died.
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Post by faustus5 on Aug 1, 2017 20:31:05 GMT
There is a continuous me that functions in my head while individual cells grow and get replaced over time. There is always a continuous me. If I am replaced by a copy, then I have died. This claim has no basis whatsoever in science and can be rejected out of hand.
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Post by SciFive on Aug 1, 2017 20:51:17 GMT
There is a continuous me that functions in my head while individual cells grow and get replaced over time. There is always a continuous me. If I am replaced by a copy, then I have died.This claim has no basis whatsoever in science and can be rejected out of hand. No, it can't, because Star Trek transporters don't exist.
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