Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 14:04:08 GMT
No, these were just average/normal women ... who can recognize a costume that is better suited for lap dancing than combat in the muddy trenches of WWI. You probably don't want to go there. It's like evoking the silly Adam West batman costume when discussing the bat suit. Have you seen Red Sonja's costume? Now time for a reality check. Red Sonja is one of the biggest selling female lead comic book series of all time with over 100 million sales worldwide and Red Sonja also has the LARGEST female following of any comic book series in the past decade and has been written by some of the best female writers in the comic book industry such as Gail Simone and Amy Chu who describe her as a sexy powerful warrior. You seem to be overlooking some things so allow me to point them out with this quote. www.moviepilot.com/p/marvel-fails-its-female-superheroes/4302449 Sex sells and the 50s have come and gone.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 14:08:11 GMT
Oh, let me guess...Mummy bloggers or sex negative prudes who are insecure over their bodies so they shame those of us who aren’t for wanting to dress sexy when we go out and say things like we “deserve to be raped by men for dressing a certain way” ‘cause they are jealous of us. I have met people like that and I don’t count them as feminists and I actually find them and their archaic views to be repulsive and far more damaging to us than men. It is 2017 – the sexual repression is over and in case your friends haven’t heard Cosplay is very popular at the moment ‘cause it is sexy and empowering and if I was a superhero with superpowers I would wear a sexy costume to fight crime too but then again I am not ashamed of my body and am always kicking butt and looking good.
If it was the ‘Witchblade’ costume in the upcoming ‘Witchblade’ movie they were complaining about I would understand ‘cause that is a very revealing costume but when you’re talking about a costume that was controversial in the 1940s and is less revealing than the one Lynda Carter wore in the 1970s ‘Wonder Woman’ TV show and not to mention LESS revealing than what most female athletes wear in boxing, UFC and wrestling your friends really need to grow up if that offends them and they better not go to the shops, clubs, parties, beaches or literally anywhere for that matter ‘cause they’re going to be even more offended by what they see there. My Aunt loves the new costume and she was a big fan of the ‘Wonder Woman’ TV show. Perhaps your friends would feel more at home in one of those closed off Amish communities or they could wear burqas. The bubbles libtards live in are really, really out in cuckoo land. Here's your "prude, Amish" folks that had a problem with it: The U.N. dropped Wonder Woman specifically for her (lack of) clothing: edition.cnn.com/2016/12/13/health/wonder-woman-un-ambassador-trnd/index.html
They were dumb making a fictitious character an honorary ambassador over a real woman but I would expect no less from a group of males in those positions.
|
|
|
Post by Skaathar on Jul 5, 2017 16:21:17 GMT
Riduculously skimpy costume, totally unsuitable for combat, but perfect for a strip club - Check Extra large boob armor - Check (Gal Gadot could have hidden a couple sandwiches in that thing) Lengthy scene of her trying on dozens of outfits in a fashion boutique ... because even Amazon warrior women just love to shop - Check A remarkably sexist movie. Gal Gadot was obviously chosen to be Wonder Woman for no other reason than to give the super hero fan-nerds a little chubby every time they got a chance to look up her skirt, which was frequent. She's a looker, no doubt, but she simply isn't that good of an actor. Wonder Woman, the character, was a big ol' nothing burger. Almost as boring as the criminally predictable villains of this movie. I suspect the good RT score is largely due to pity ... after the DC debacle of last summer. WW is much better than BvS, but that's not saying much. I'd rank it among the lower end Marvel movies. If this is the best DC can do, Marvel has absolutely nothing to worry about, particularly if Justice League is as bad as that trailer I saw before WW. 1. Skimpy outfits ARE ideal for combat, or for any other vigorous activity. That's why boxers, wrestlers and MMA fighters all wear skimpy, tight outfits. That's why gymnasts and figure skaters wear skimpy, tight outfits. People hear "armor" and they immediately think of full plate armor like 14th-15th century knights would wear, completely forgetting that throughout the ages warriors have worn partial armor. Sometimes it's just a breastplate, sometimes it's just forearm guards and shin guards. WW's leather kilt seems extra short, but then if you do as many high kicks as she does then you'll also be thankful for a short skirt. No person in complete full plate armor will ever be able to perform the kind of moves she does, so it's a compromise between protection and mobility. If you want to talk about impractical costumes, then go harp on why Superman's and Batman's costumes have muscles chiseled into them. Heck, those tight leather outfits that the X-men wear in the movies are probably the most impractical costumes of all. They can hardly move in those. 2. Majority of people watching movies like attractive leads, and movie makers will knowingly pander to that. There's nothing wrong with that, as physical attraction is a natural part of being human. 3. Unless you consider the almost speedo-like shorts of MMA fighters as indecent, then I don't see why "seeing up WW's skirt" is anymore indecent. It's not like she only wears underwear under there. 4. I think WW's RT score is bloated and is higher than it should be, but not for any of the reasons you listed.And not as low as you make it out to be.
|
|
|
Post by Skaathar on Jul 5, 2017 16:40:14 GMT
Don't fret, sweetheart. The "slut shaming" was done by the three women I accompanied to the movie. They all agreed the WW costume was ridiculous. Personally, I'm a big fan of bikini armor on sex-kitten warrior women. The more opportunities for a wardrobe malfunction the better. It's one of the few things that can salvage a paint by numbers snooze-fest of a movie. Probably because the 3 women you went with were never in a fight and couldn't appreciate the concept of minimal clothing to allow freedom of movement.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Jul 5, 2017 16:52:11 GMT
That guy is an idiot and doesn't speak for people that like the Marvel movies. The OP is a Tom Brady fan. He supports a cheater and fraud like Brady. That explains why he's such an idiot.
|
|
|
Post by faustus5 on Jul 5, 2017 16:53:27 GMT
This entire idiotic thread is an insult to anyone with more than two brain cells.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 17:12:21 GMT
This entire idiotic thread is an insult to anyone with more than two brain cells. LOL
|
|
|
Post by damngumby on Jul 5, 2017 17:33:34 GMT
No doubt that was the motivation for that sexy cocktail waitress Wonder Woman outfit.
I don't recall Scarlett Johansson or Elizabeth Olsen battling evil in skimpy outfits, so a female super hero can look good while saving the world without having to delve into the Fredrick's of Hollywood Super Hero catalog.
|
|
|
Post by Skaathar on Jul 5, 2017 17:46:22 GMT
No doubt that was the motivation for that sexy cocktail waitress Wonder Woman outfit. I don't recall Scarlett Johansson or Elizabeth Olsen battling evil in skimpy outfits, so a female super hero can look good while saving the world without having to delve into the Fredrick's of Hollywood Super Hero catalog. But 300 Spartan men wearing nothing but medieval bikini briefs is perfectly fine right?
|
|
|
Post by damngumby on Jul 5, 2017 18:30:50 GMT
It was about on par with the Wonder Woman outfit. Pure beefcake attire. If there was a history of sexually objectifying men, it might have been offensive. As it were, it was just a bit gay.
|
|
|
Post by Skaathar on Jul 5, 2017 18:39:53 GMT
It was about on par with the Wonder Woman outfit. Pure beefcake attire. If there was a history of sexually objectifying men, it might have been offensive. As it were, it was just a bit gay. Well, at least you're consistent. I'll give you that. I still disagree with your comments about WW's attire though. Though not completely practical, it's still more practical than majority of superhero outfits out there.
|
|
|
Post by Marv on Jul 5, 2017 19:00:41 GMT
Personally I'd love a Ms Marvel solo film. But I was trying to think the other day of any other good solo heroines and I couldn't come up with much. She Hulk and Ms Marvel were the only two that jumped out at me. The majority of Marvels characters in general fee like their part of a team but especially the women. I don't think that's a bad thing but the laundry list of memorable Marvel female superheroes are all better known for the team they're on rather than solo adventures. That goes for tons of the guys too. Avengers, Defenders, Thunderbolts, Alpha Flight, a dozen different XMen teams, Guardians of the Galaxy, Fantastic Four, Inhumans, SHIELD...I just think Marvel loves their team ups.
|
|
|
Post by damngumby on Jul 5, 2017 20:12:13 GMT
The resent crop of Marvel movies have toned down the hyper-sexual female costumes of the comic books. In part, because they'd look ridiculous in real life. Perhaps if DC had made the WW movie a little more campy, they might have gotten away with it. The dour, serious tone of the movie did not mesh well with the sex-kitten outfit. Reminded me too much of the Baby Doll get-up in Sucker Punch.
|
|
|
Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 5, 2017 20:36:38 GMT
I don't think her costume is sexy enough. It's no where near as sexy as the costumes in the comics. It should fit more like the Lynda Carter costume and should primarily be made out of body paint.
|
|
|
Post by Skaathar on Jul 5, 2017 21:17:37 GMT
The resent crop of Marvel movies have toned down the hyper-sexual female costumes of the comic books. In part, because they'd look ridiculous in real life. Perhaps if DC had made the WW movie a little more campy, they might have gotten away with it. The dour, serious tone of the movie did not mesh well with the sex-kitten outfit. Reminded me too much of the Baby Doll get-up in Sucker Punch. An armored corset, leather kilt and armored arm/shin guards are way way more practical in a fight than the tight leather coats that Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch wear. Not only do those leather coats offer almost no protection, they also severely hamper movement and are pretty hot besides. Even Gamora's tight leather suit would be very impractical in a fight. In short, they serve no other function than to be pleasing to the eye. Now I've never complained about whether MCU costumes were realistic or not, but if you want to start complaining about WW's costume being sexual then I will point out that it's a lot more practical in a fight than majority of MCU costumes. Besides, a woman who grew up in an all-female community wouldn't exactly worry about modesty. When you're in a fight, modesty is pretty low on your list of priorities.
|
|
|
Post by THawk on Jul 5, 2017 21:29:00 GMT
Riduculously skimpy costume, totally unsuitable for combat, but perfect for a strip club - Check Extra large boob armor - Check (Gal Gadot could have hidden a couple sandwiches in that thing) Lengthy scene of her trying on dozens of outfits in a fashion boutique ... because even Amazon warrior women just love to shop - Check A remarkably sexist movie. Gal Gadot was obviously chosen to be Wonder Woman for no other reason than to give the super hero fan-nerds a little chubby every time they got a chance to look up her skirt, which was frequent. She's a looker, no doubt, but she simply isn't that good of an actor. Wonder Woman, the character, was a big ol' nothing burger. Almost as boring as the criminally predictable villains of this movie. I suspect the good RT score is largely due to pity ... after the DC debacle of last summer. WW is much better than BvS, but that's not saying much. I'd rank it among the lower end Marvel movies. If this is the best DC can do, Marvel has absolutely nothing to worry about, particularly if Justice League is as bad as that trailer I saw before WW. 1. Skimpy outfits ARE ideal for combat, or for any other vigorous activity. That's why boxers, wrestlers and MMA fighters all wear skimpy, tight outfits. That's why gymnasts and figure skaters wear skimpy, tight outfits. People hear "armor" and they immediately think of full plate armor like 14th-15th century knights would wear, completely forgetting that throughout the ages warriors have worn partial armor. Sometimes it's just a breastplate, sometimes it's just forearm guards and shin guards. WW's leather kilt seems extra short, but then if you do as many high kicks as she does then you'll also be thankful for a short skirt. No person in complete full plate armor will ever be able to perform the kind of moves she does, so it's a compromise between protection and mobility. If you want to talk about impractical costumes, then go harp on why Superman's and Batman's costumes have muscles chiseled into them. Heck, those tight leather outfits that the X-men wear in the movies are probably the most impractical costumes of all. They can hardly move in those. 2. Majority of people watching movies like attractive leads, and movie makers will knowingly pander to that. There's nothing wrong with that, as physical attraction is a natural part of being human. 3. Unless you consider the almost speedo-like shorts of MMA fighters as indecent, then I don't see why "seeing up WW's skirt" is anymore indecent. It's not like she only wears underwear under there. 4. I think WW's RT score is bloated and is higher than it should be, but not for any of the reasons you listed.And not as low as you make it out to be. 1. Erm, boxers and wrestlers are not facing bullets. It's hand to hand combat. That is very different from facing machine gun fire. Again, the movie did not specify whether WW's skin was bullet proof or not. What it did specify however is that she had superhuman strength - meaning she absolutely could have done all her movies while wearing more appropriate attire. 2. There's nothing wrong with attractive leads, but there is everything wrong if that takes precedent over plot and character. Not saying that's what happened here, but the line was thin. 3. Not an MMA fan, but those shorts are not designed to be sexy. WW's costume, 100%, was made to appeal to males. If you don't believe that, you really know little about movie marketing.
|
|
|
Post by Nalkarj on Jul 5, 2017 21:33:08 GMT
This thread is a typical example of why everyone hates MCU fans so much. Because MCU fans are so biased against DCEU that they'll make up all kinds of crap to try to discredit and tear down the DCEU. DC-Fan, you and I may disagree on several things, but we agree on this. I don't hate anyone, and I like several Marvel movies (and dislike others), but this kind of thread is ridiculous, and there is certainly a degree to which fans of one may try to discredit the other. God, this whole thing is absurd. They're comic book movies, for God's sake.
|
|
|
Post by Skaathar on Jul 5, 2017 22:16:38 GMT
1. Skimpy outfits ARE ideal for combat, or for any other vigorous activity. That's why boxers, wrestlers and MMA fighters all wear skimpy, tight outfits. That's why gymnasts and figure skaters wear skimpy, tight outfits. People hear "armor" and they immediately think of full plate armor like 14th-15th century knights would wear, completely forgetting that throughout the ages warriors have worn partial armor. Sometimes it's just a breastplate, sometimes it's just forearm guards and shin guards. WW's leather kilt seems extra short, but then if you do as many high kicks as she does then you'll also be thankful for a short skirt. No person in complete full plate armor will ever be able to perform the kind of moves she does, so it's a compromise between protection and mobility. If you want to talk about impractical costumes, then go harp on why Superman's and Batman's costumes have muscles chiseled into them. Heck, those tight leather outfits that the X-men wear in the movies are probably the most impractical costumes of all. They can hardly move in those. 2. Majority of people watching movies like attractive leads, and movie makers will knowingly pander to that. There's nothing wrong with that, as physical attraction is a natural part of being human. 3. Unless you consider the almost speedo-like shorts of MMA fighters as indecent, then I don't see why "seeing up WW's skirt" is anymore indecent. It's not like she only wears underwear under there. 4. I think WW's RT score is bloated and is higher than it should be, but not for any of the reasons you listed.And not as low as you make it out to be. 1. Erm, boxers and wrestlers are not facing bullets. It's hand to hand combat. That is very different from facing machine gun fire. Again, the movie did not specify whether WW's skin was bullet proof or not. What it did specify however is that she had superhuman strength - meaning she absolutely could have done all her movies while wearing more appropriate attire. 2. There's nothing wrong with attractive leads, but there is everything wrong if that takes precedent over plot and character. Not saying that's what happened here, but the line was thin. 3. Not an MMA fan, but those shorts are not designed to be sexy. WW's costume, 100%, was made to appeal to males. If you don't believe that, you really know little about movie marketing. 1. Amazons don't face bullets either, at least not until that movie. WW's armor was developed by Amazons during the time they didn't face bullets, so her armor still makes sense. Her fighting style IS hand to hand combat, or at least melee, which means ease of movement is still a huge factor. Besides, Black Widow's, Scarlet Witch's, Gamora's, Catwoman's and Elektra's costumes are no more protection against bullets than WW's. In fact they provide even less protection. At least WW's bracelets and shin guards have been proven to be able to stop bullets. Also, her armor wasn't designed for her specifically, it was designed for an Amazon warrior. And the amazons weren't as strong as Wonder Woman, so it wouldn't have made sense for them to develop armor that would be too restrictive or cumbersome for their type of combat. 2. WW's costume was nowhere close to taking precedence over plot and character. What would not have made sense is if she was dressed in a completely enclosed armor, considering that their society lives in a tropical island who's fighting influences date back to Graeco-Roman times. 3. These films are fiction. Though it is important that an element of realism is included in the costume designs, don't forget that the main purpose of the fictional costume is to play to people's fantasies, and that means making itself and its wearer look attractive. And this is true for both male and female characters. Why do you think Superman's, Batman's and Thor's costumes have muscles hard-shaped into them? But if you really want to talk realism, then again I mention this: WW's outfit, though somewhat skin baring, is still way more practical than majority of superhero costumes out there.
|
|
|
Post by ThatGuy on Jul 5, 2017 22:32:03 GMT
Danvers is not as big a character as Wonder Woman for one. Two: That guy is an idiot and doesn't speak for people that like the Marvel movies. Yes. You are right. He doesn't speak for everybody that likes Marvel movies but there are sadly a number of male comic book fans that fit the above description who don't want any female lead comic book series being made into movies 'cause they claim men hating feminists are trying to take over 'their' genre despite there being hundreds of female lead comic book series and they are quite bitter over Wonder Woman being successful and are saying the box office figures are made up. These people are on both ends of the extreme and a lot of extreme fans hate female fans.
I agree with you that Carol Danvers isn't as big of a character as Wonder Woman or Batgirl or Supergirl but she has higher all time sales as Ms Marvel and Captain Marvel than some of the other superheroes Marvel has made movies of like Thor, Ant Man and Guardians of the Galaxy and of as others have pointed out and as Marvel's biggest selling female superhero should have been in the MCU as Ms Marvel before Black Widow. But at the same time, Thor, Ant-man and even the Guardians are better known names than Danvers. Danvers had a small push with the help of Rogue, but nothing else really. She just never became popular. Marvel is trying like crazy to get her name out in the comics and in animated series before her movie. But I don't think it matters. Marvel has built enough goodwill that they can make any character into a movie and it could do well critically and financially. If you think about it, it could be a good move to have waited. She could be the MCU's new flagship character. If Evans and Downey walk away from their roles after the next 2 Avengers movies then Danvers's fresh meat could be a good thing when they cycle again.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Jul 6, 2017 3:13:05 GMT
1. Skimpy outfits ARE ideal for combat, or for any other vigorous activity. That's why boxers, wrestlers and MMA fighters all wear skimpy, tight outfits. That's why gymnasts and figure skaters wear skimpy, tight outfits. People hear "armor" and they immediately think of full plate armor like 14th-15th century knights would wear, completely forgetting that throughout the ages warriors have worn partial armor. Sometimes it's just a breastplate, sometimes it's just forearm guards and shin guards. WW's leather kilt seems extra short, but then if you do as many high kicks as she does then you'll also be thankful for a short skirt. No person in complete full plate armor will ever be able to perform the kind of moves she does, so it's a compromise between protection and mobility. If you want to talk about impractical costumes, then go harp on why Superman's and Batman's costumes have muscles chiseled into them. Heck, those tight leather outfits that the X-men wear in the movies are probably the most impractical costumes of all. They can hardly move in those. 2. Majority of people watching movies like attractive leads, and movie makers will knowingly pander to that. There's nothing wrong with that, as physical attraction is a natural part of being human. 3. Unless you consider the almost speedo-like shorts of MMA fighters as indecent, then I don't see why "seeing up WW's skirt" is anymore indecent. It's not like she only wears underwear under there. 4. I think WW's RT score is bloated and is higher than it should be, but not for any of the reasons you listed.And not as low as you make it out to be. 1. Erm, boxers and wrestlers are not facing bullets. It's hand to hand combat. That is very different from facing machine gun fire. Again, the movie did not specify whether WW's skin was bullet proof or not. What it did specify however is that she had superhuman strength - meaning she absolutely could have done all her movies while wearing more appropriate attire. 2. There's nothing wrong with attractive leads, but there is everything wrong if that takes precedent over plot and character. Not saying that's what happened here, but the line was thin. 3. Not an MMA fan, but those shorts are not designed to be sexy. WW's costume, 100%, was made to appeal to males. If you don't believe that, you really know little about movie marketing. She doesn't even show any cleavage when she's wearing the Wonder Woman costume. So she shows bare shoulders and some legs. Are you and the idiot OP from a Middle Eastern country where woman aren't allowed to show any skin other than their face?
The OP is a Tom Brady fan. He supports a cheater and fraud like Brady. That's why he's such an idiot and started such an idiotic thread. But what's your excuse for being such an idiot?
|
|