Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 7:10:26 GMT
1. Erm, boxers and wrestlers are not facing bullets. It's hand to hand combat. That is very different from facing machine gun fire. Again, the movie did not specify whether WW's skin was bullet proof or not. What it did specify however is that she had superhuman strength - meaning she absolutely could have done all her movies while wearing more appropriate attire.
2. There's nothing wrong with attractive leads, but there is everything wrong if that takes precedent over plot and character. Not saying that's what happened here, but the line was thin.
3. Not an MMA fan, but those shorts are not designed to be sexy. WW's costume, 100%, was made to appeal to males. If you don't believe that, you really know little about movie marketing.
She doesn't even show any cleavage when she's wearing the Wonder Woman costume. So she shows bare shoulders and some legs. Are you and the idiot OP from a Middle Eastern country where woman aren't allowed to show any skin other than their face?
The OP is a Tom Brady fan. He supports a cheater and fraud like Brady. That's why he's such an idiot and started such an idiotic thread. But what's your excuse for being such an idiot?
Marvel have had a poor history when it comes to female superheroes and female lead comic books in general which is why the biggest selling female lead comic book series have been by DC and Image Comics along with other companies like Dynamite Entertainment, Event Comics, Avatar Press, Broad Sword, Zenescope etc and Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Batgirl, Birds of Prey, Witchblade, Red Sonja, Vampirella, Hack/Slash, Sheenah: Queen of the Jungle, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Fathom, Swords of Sorrow, Wonderland (Zenescope), Darkchylde, Aphrodite IX and even Buffy the Vampire Slayer all have higher sales and were more popular than all of Marvel’s female superheroes. Witchblade came along in the 90s and was able to outsell all of Marvel’s female superheroes and the majority of their male superheroes in only 20 years with over 140 million sales worldwide and launched its very own universe which saw a number of spinoff series like the Darkness, Aphrodite IX, The Magdalena, the Angelus, Switch, Artifacts, the Necromancer etc.
The MCU have yet to even make a Black Widow movie despite millions of fans wanting one and they have also yet to announce a single female lead movie after Captain Marvel while DC and other comic book companies are not wasting time and have multiple movies in development and it is Sony who is making ‘Silver and Black’ and have plans to use Spider Woman who is Marvel’s second biggest selling female superhero and you have to really ask the question “would we even be getting Captain Marvel now if it wasn’t for the DCEU making Wonder Woman and Batgirl?” ‘cause it has already got pushed back twice and Joss Whedon had to move to Warner Bros to make a female superhero movie ‘cause Marvel wouldn’t let him Black Widow. At the rate the MCU are going Batgirl, Gotham City Sirens, Painkiller Jane, Razor, Avageleyne, Witchblade, the Pro etc will all be out LONG before Marvel ever makes a Black Widow movie. We will most likely get Supergirl, Red Sonja, Birds of Prey, Vampirella, Hack/Slash and Fatham movies before then too.
The OP wants to claim Wonder Woman is an insult to us. Here is a good example of why the MCU has been far more damaging to us.
The way Marvel treats its disappointingly -few female characters.
“Guardians of the Galaxy” and “The Avengers” are the highest-grossing Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) films, as well as the only two featuring female superheroes as main characters. “Jessica Jones” was Marvel’s most successful TV show, at least until “Daredevil’s” second season was released on Netflix last week. Correlation not causation, maybe, but obviously, women like seeing themselves on screen. What a surprise.
The issue I want to discuss is not representation, but misrepresentation. I can name few female Marvel superheroes: Agent Natasha Romanoff (aka the Black Widow), Gamora from “Guardians,” Wanda Maximoff (aka the Scarlet Witch) from “Avengers: Age of Ultron,” and maybe Lady Sif from “Thor.” Maybe.
What do these women have in common with pretty much every other female character existing in the Marvel Cinematic Universe?
They function as Love Interests: from the script right down to their ridiculous, tight-fitting costumes.
Upon closer examination, the only two women with reasonable speaking parts, who are neither gazing starry-eyed after their costumed men nor related to their male counterpartr, are Darcy, Jane’s assistant from “Thor,” and Agent Maria Hill from “Captain America: The Winter Soldier” and “Avengers.” Wanda Maximoff (aka the Scarlet Witch) from “Avengers 2” is new to the MCU, a brainwashed villain turned good, and Pietro’s twin sister before he died. She is now my only hope for female superheroes.
Some love interest arcs make sense. Agent Carter from “Captain America,” defying the outright sexism and misogyny of her time, is so badass even I fell in love with her. Jane Foster is an accomplished astrophysicist, whose original interest in Thor is scientific. Except what’s science compared to Chris Hemsworth’s biceps, right? Gamora is a trained assassin with a perfectly valid reason to be fighting on Peter Quill’s side. She then falls prey to Quill’s “pelvic sorcery,” and it’s okay because by the end of the movie, they love each other. Pepper Potts from “Iron Man” is the only woman not repulsed by Tony Stark’s spectacular narcissism. She loves him because she sees the real him underneath all those layers of money. Too bad this doesn’t make him any less of a jerk. Betty Ross from “The Incredible Hulk” (yeah, remember that movie?) had no other purpose but to serve as an aspect of Bruce Banner’s character development. She was a pretty reminder that even though he’s an enormous green rage monster (wrong Hulk but still a great quote), his humanity remains intact and he is capable of attracting women. In “Ant-Man,” even though Hope is way more qualified than Scott Lang to be a hero, her father was just trying to protect her from dying like her mother. Except by the end of the movie, she’s fallen in love with Paul Rudd and donned The Wasp suit.
As you delve deeper into the characters of each strong, capable woman, you begin to realize they’ve all been cast as romantic subplots, or worse, complications. That’s their role.
Lady Sif is a prime example of this setback. She’s a warrior and a Norse deity, but the writers couldn’t leave her at that. As if being childhood friends with Thor wasn’t enough to validate her presence in the movie, they had to make her in love with him. She’s a literal goddess, she’s lived thousands of years and killed thousands of men, and she still has to cast longing looks at Chris Hemsworth and shoot Natalie Portman unfriendly, jealous glances.
It’s not just Lady Sif who was downgraded to a damsel in distress. It also happened to my beacon of light in the dark, Natasha Romanoff.
Black Widow is a trained KGB assassin with superpowers glossed over by movies. In “Iron Man,” she was an undercover SHIELD agent posing as Tony Stark’s secretary. The Powers That Be of the first “Avengers” hinted at a possible romance between her and Cliff Barton (aka Hawkeye). I held out hope that they would remain strictly best friends, partners, given that Hawkeye had been a zombie-eyed Loki-mutant for most of the movie. Then, in “Cap 2,” there she was. Finally, a female superhero who was just a friend. A female character in a movie whose skills, platonic relationships, and willingness to support a teammate merited her presence. She is an Avenger. What could possible be a better reason for her to be in the MCU?
My dreams were Hulk-smashed to pieces by a last-minute, front-row seat to the “Avengers 2” premiere. Granted, the movie was a hot mess, from the way Steve Rogers’ “language” was a bigger deal than Tony Stark almost single-handedly bringing down the world with his AI, to the way they tried to cut character development corners by firing subplots like bazookas.
The MCU threw Black Widow at the Hulk like Captain America’s shield at a target. Because when you review the arsenal of women in your life, how many of them are love interests?
Not every woman has to be in a relationship at every single point in her life.
Then Natasha got captured by Ultron, and she needed the men to come and rescue her. Might as well have sent every girl who saw the movie a handwritten letter saying that even if they aspired to be just as strong, competent, and talented as boys, they wouldn’t be. Because if female superheroes can’t do it, then who of us can?
And some people still think feminism isn’t a first-world problem.
A solution to Marvel’s issue: make a female superhero the lead, a la “Wonderwoman” or “Captain Marvel” (coming in the distant future to a theatre near you). Or how about a female villain? If she’s evil, you can bet she won’t be a love interest for very long. She might not make the best role model, but if there are male villains, there can be female villains too.
Marvel has to diversify their female roles – write more female superheroes, professionals, villains, friends, and teammates. The way they treat women right now is inexcusable. They need less leather, less love interests, and more independent women.
The issue I want to discuss is not representation, but misrepresentation. I can name few female Marvel superheroes: Agent Natasha Romanoff (aka the Black Widow), Gamora from “Guardians,” Wanda Maximoff (aka the Scarlet Witch) from “Avengers: Age of Ultron,” and maybe Lady Sif from “Thor.” Maybe.
What do these women have in common with pretty much every other female character existing in the Marvel Cinematic Universe?
They function as Love Interests: from the script right down to their ridiculous, tight-fitting costumes.
Upon closer examination, the only two women with reasonable speaking parts, who are neither gazing starry-eyed after their costumed men nor related to their male counterpartr, are Darcy, Jane’s assistant from “Thor,” and Agent Maria Hill from “Captain America: The Winter Soldier” and “Avengers.” Wanda Maximoff (aka the Scarlet Witch) from “Avengers 2” is new to the MCU, a brainwashed villain turned good, and Pietro’s twin sister before he died. She is now my only hope for female superheroes.
Some love interest arcs make sense. Agent Carter from “Captain America,” defying the outright sexism and misogyny of her time, is so badass even I fell in love with her. Jane Foster is an accomplished astrophysicist, whose original interest in Thor is scientific. Except what’s science compared to Chris Hemsworth’s biceps, right? Gamora is a trained assassin with a perfectly valid reason to be fighting on Peter Quill’s side. She then falls prey to Quill’s “pelvic sorcery,” and it’s okay because by the end of the movie, they love each other. Pepper Potts from “Iron Man” is the only woman not repulsed by Tony Stark’s spectacular narcissism. She loves him because she sees the real him underneath all those layers of money. Too bad this doesn’t make him any less of a jerk. Betty Ross from “The Incredible Hulk” (yeah, remember that movie?) had no other purpose but to serve as an aspect of Bruce Banner’s character development. She was a pretty reminder that even though he’s an enormous green rage monster (wrong Hulk but still a great quote), his humanity remains intact and he is capable of attracting women. In “Ant-Man,” even though Hope is way more qualified than Scott Lang to be a hero, her father was just trying to protect her from dying like her mother. Except by the end of the movie, she’s fallen in love with Paul Rudd and donned The Wasp suit.
As you delve deeper into the characters of each strong, capable woman, you begin to realize they’ve all been cast as romantic subplots, or worse, complications. That’s their role.
Lady Sif is a prime example of this setback. She’s a warrior and a Norse deity, but the writers couldn’t leave her at that. As if being childhood friends with Thor wasn’t enough to validate her presence in the movie, they had to make her in love with him. She’s a literal goddess, she’s lived thousands of years and killed thousands of men, and she still has to cast longing looks at Chris Hemsworth and shoot Natalie Portman unfriendly, jealous glances.
It’s not just Lady Sif who was downgraded to a damsel in distress. It also happened to my beacon of light in the dark, Natasha Romanoff.
Black Widow is a trained KGB assassin with superpowers glossed over by movies. In “Iron Man,” she was an undercover SHIELD agent posing as Tony Stark’s secretary. The Powers That Be of the first “Avengers” hinted at a possible romance between her and Cliff Barton (aka Hawkeye). I held out hope that they would remain strictly best friends, partners, given that Hawkeye had been a zombie-eyed Loki-mutant for most of the movie. Then, in “Cap 2,” there she was. Finally, a female superhero who was just a friend. A female character in a movie whose skills, platonic relationships, and willingness to support a teammate merited her presence. She is an Avenger. What could possible be a better reason for her to be in the MCU?
My dreams were Hulk-smashed to pieces by a last-minute, front-row seat to the “Avengers 2” premiere. Granted, the movie was a hot mess, from the way Steve Rogers’ “language” was a bigger deal than Tony Stark almost single-handedly bringing down the world with his AI, to the way they tried to cut character development corners by firing subplots like bazookas.
The MCU threw Black Widow at the Hulk like Captain America’s shield at a target. Because when you review the arsenal of women in your life, how many of them are love interests?
Not every woman has to be in a relationship at every single point in her life.
Then Natasha got captured by Ultron, and she needed the men to come and rescue her. Might as well have sent every girl who saw the movie a handwritten letter saying that even if they aspired to be just as strong, competent, and talented as boys, they wouldn’t be. Because if female superheroes can’t do it, then who of us can?
And some people still think feminism isn’t a first-world problem.
A solution to Marvel’s issue: make a female superhero the lead, a la “Wonderwoman” or “Captain Marvel” (coming in the distant future to a theatre near you). Or how about a female villain? If she’s evil, you can bet she won’t be a love interest for very long. She might not make the best role model, but if there are male villains, there can be female villains too.
Marvel has to diversify their female roles – write more female superheroes, professionals, villains, friends, and teammates. The way they treat women right now is inexcusable. They need less leather, less love interests, and more independent women.
bullandbearmcgill.com/super-sexist-a-character-analysis-of-the-mcu/
Just like I said before. Side characters and love interests but the OP overlooks that 'cause that would be putting down Marvel too and he prefers things to stay that way which is why he is acting like a ridiculous prude over ‘Wonder Woman.’ He hates that a female superhero movie has been successful and the spotlight is on a female character for a change so he had to find something to insult the movie over and become a born again Christian. That is not to say all Marvel fans are this way and Marvel itself is not even the true people to blame with their lack of female superhero movies since many comic book writers who work for Marvel have tried to get more female superhero movies made and have put down the executives of the MCU for not making a Black Widow movie. It is a few people in high positions that have stopped them from making more which Joss Whedon spoke about a few years ago and fans like the OP have the exact same mindset.