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Post by pimpinainteasy on Aug 22, 2019 2:22:53 GMT
india havent lost a test series in west indies since 2006.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Aug 22, 2019 3:48:49 GMT
Three interesting tests starting today. The first SL vs NZ match was a good scrap. Now or never for England in the Ashes and it will be interesting to see if the improving Windies can give India a run for theur money at home.
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Aug 22, 2019 4:23:40 GMT
i think mediocre indian batsmen will get found out again. hope MAYANK, VIHARI and PANT fulfill their initial promise.
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Post by weststigersbob on Aug 22, 2019 4:32:00 GMT
india havent lost a test series in west indies since 2006. I think the most surprising thing about that is India actually lost a series to the Windies in 2006.....
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Aug 22, 2019 4:34:53 GMT
india havent lost a test series in west indies since 2006. I think the most surprising thing about that is India actually lost a series to the Windies in 2006..... sorry, i meant 2002. they actually won a series over there in 2006.
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Post by weststigersbob on Aug 22, 2019 4:42:06 GMT
A fine day of Test Cricket indeed. Aus v Eng : I think the toss might be crucial. Whoever wins it should gain the ascendancy and control the game from there, regardless of who wins it and what they do. The opposition might not be too concerned about losing the toss either though. I say this because between the two teams, there are only 3-4 players who look in any sort of nick. And one of them is concussed and not playing. SL v NZ : Not expecting too many personnel changes to either side, but after the last game on a spinning deck when SL chased easily, maybe both sides might rethink their strategies. I know NZ won’t bat as frivolously as they did last Test, when they simply assumed 3 spinners and a 5th day pitch would win them the game, irrespective of what target SL needed. WI v Ind : The Windies have the bowling to really upset the Indians, the big question though is can they bat well enough against a still vastly underrated Indian pace battery. The key man again for the Windies is Jason Holder. Can his one man band act beat India though ?
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Post by weststigersbob on Aug 22, 2019 4:42:51 GMT
I think the most surprising thing about that is India actually lost a series to the Windies in 2006..... sorry, i meant 2002. they actually won a series over there in 2006. I think the most surprising thing about that is India actually lost a series to the Windies in 2002.....
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Aug 22, 2019 4:54:15 GMT
sorry, i meant 2002. they actually won a series over there in 2006. I think the most surprising thing about that is India actually lost a series to the Windies in 2002..... hahaha! well played. the 2002 west indies side was actually quite decent - it had GAYLE, LARA, SARWAN, HOOPER, CHANDERPAUL, though the bowling was led by DILLON, PEDRO and CUFFY. yes, india did not have an excuse to lose this series, since they were leading 1-0 going into the fourth test. windies won the last 2 tests.
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Aug 22, 2019 5:03:25 GMT
HOLDER might have an added incentive to humiliate india since he was bafflingly not picked by any IPL team despite his heroics against england.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 22, 2019 5:30:49 GMT
sorry, i meant 2002. they actually won a series over there in 2006. I think the most surprising thing about that is India actually lost a series to the Windies in 2002..... 1997 5 test series between India & WI was decided by a single test. India just needed 119 to win but Ambrose, Bishop and Rose destroyed them for 80. 2002 series was also decided by a single test. India needed to bat for a few overs but they lost wickets quickly. Had they survived a few more overs they would have been safe as it started raining by the time they were having presentation ceremony. Rahul Dravid single handedly won them 2006 series by playing brilliantly on both innings on a minefield of a track in Jamaica. Rahul Dravid won them again in 2011 by playing another good knock in 2011. I remember all these Ind vs WI series as if they happened yesterday. In India these tests start at 7:30 pm and finish around 4:30 am. My father would shout at me to sleep after 10 pm when I was still a kid. I remember I told him I won't listen to you in one of the matches in 2002 and that was my big rebel moment. I saw that game till early morning India time.
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Post by weststigersbob on Aug 22, 2019 5:48:57 GMT
I didn't really follow Monkeygate as I was working at a Chennai orpganage at the time. First I heard of it was when I travelled to Kumbakonam for Pongal with my friend Pramodh (I would later propose to my second wife at his wedding) who said something to me along the lines of "don't talk about the cricket today. Something bad happened. People are angry with Australians." By the time I got home the deaths of first Clinton Grybas and then Heath Ledger had knocked it out of the news cycle. When I watched highlights of the game, what struck me was that the luckiest two people in the world were Steve Bucknor and Marc Benson that people were talking about monkeys instead of them. What a fucking wretched performance from those two. Not only did they make some shocking decisions against both teams, but their behaviour at many times enflamed the situation. I think Rohan's attitude on Murali can be explained by two things. 1) Aussies never cheat and 2) Murali's main rival was a Victorian. Murali's a cheat (in spite of sports science saying otherwise) is a a catch-all argument why Warne must be better. I don't know if you remember him basically saying Merv Hughes had to carry that bum McDermott around his whole career. Hughes is Victorian, Billy wasn't. Benson and Bucknor were atrocious. How Bucknor ever stood again in an international match I will never know. You are right they made it worse, but what really inflamed the situation was that because they got so many wrong there were accusations about the Australians “cheating”. Appealing for decisions that only look sort of out has been happening since the first umpire stood in a game of cricket 500 years ago. They same day a controversial call was made by the same umpire. In no way is it cheating. That being said, this game solidified in many non-Australian minds that Australia would stoop to any level they liked to win, blatantly cheated and the entire country was ripe for torrents of racial abuse. It’s not our fault Bucknor got so many wrong. In fact, quite a few went against Australia. Didn’t matter. What really pissed me off was the blatant “holier than thou” bullshit arguments that followed (and subsequently resurrected during ‘sandpapergate’). Are Australians the only team excessively appealing? No. Are Australians the only team whose crowds are racist ? No. Are Australians the only team that claims catches that aren’t ? No. Are Australians they only team who sledge ? No. And yet, even reading some of the Australian press regarding it, you’d think international cricket EVERYWHERE else was “Tally Ho, Jolly good show chaps” with Pimms and Cucumber sandwiches in the afternoon. It’s complete and utter bullshit. Maybe Australia crossed a line. Maybe. They did take 3 wickets in the last over to win. But appealing is now cheating, you can’t celebrate a win, and a black man being called a monkey isn’t racist ? Gimme a break. I can sort of see Rohan’s point regarding Murali. I’m an unabashed Warne fan. Have been since 1990. Probably because he reminded me of me (Chubby blond leg spinner). But that fact is completely reconciled from my opinions on Murali. I am still convinced that in 1996 when Darryl Hair FIRST called Murali on Boxing Day, Murali was chucking. As his arm swings around it clearly straightened upwards. The action is obvious - point your bent elbow up, with your hand on your shoulder. Then, unbend your elbow as you raise your hand. This is what Murali was doing. Where the facts and the lies started to blur was (shocking, I know) when the ICC bungled the biometric testing and the subsequent rule changes, and prior to that, essentially allowing all and sundry to accuse Australia of calling Murali a chucker for <insert whatever reason you like>. The most ridiculous argument of all came from Tony Grieg, who insisted that because Murali couldn’t fully straighten his arm, he couldn’t bend his elbow at all, and therefore couldn’t possibly chuck and Hair called him without any evidence and it was because Australia didn’t like the little Sri Lunkuns. Amazingly, when Murali was tested, he passed. Knowing for months prior that you are going to be tested and modifying your action accordingly will do that. Where I actually praise Murali is that he was still just as good after he changed. The wanker Ross Emerson called him again, after he previously said if he was standing in a match where Murali bowled, he would. I think Warne was the batter bowler due to 3 reasons. 1) He didn’t get to play half his tests in Sri Lanka. Warne would’ve taken 1000 wickets otherwise. 2) He had McGrath, Gillespie, Lee, Kasprowicz and Bichel taking wickets off him at the other end. Murali had Vaas. 3) Murali took 120 odd wickets against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Warne took 17. In 3 tests. And finally, a brief note on Merv Hughes. There were plenty of cricket types floating around NSW who couldn’t stand him. They genuinely believe Hughes took the place of Mike Whitney in the Test side for years. The rivalry between states in Australian Cricket sometimes is hilarious. The “anti-Victoria, pro-NSW, baggy blue plus a baggy green in a paper bag” bullshit for years was trundled out by David Hookes. A South Australian. And the champions of the “Queensland batsmen can’t get a go” crowd - Border, Chappell, Thompson and Richards. NSW, SA, NSW and RSA. Not a Queenslander amongst them.
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Post by weststigersbob on Aug 22, 2019 5:54:08 GMT
HOLDER might have an added incentive to humiliate india since he was bafflingly not picked by any IPL team despite his heroics against england. Really ? No IPL side thinks Holder is worth a go ? Baffling indeed. It’s a toss up between him and Shakib as to who is the best allrounder in the world right now.
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Post by weststigersbob on Aug 22, 2019 5:57:14 GMT
I think the most surprising thing about that is India actually lost a series to the Windies in 2002..... 1997 5 test series between India & WI was decided by a single test. India just needed 119 to win but Ambrose, Bishop and Rose destroyed them for 80. 2002 series was also decided by a single test. India needed to bat for a few overs but they lost wickets quickly. Had they survived a few more overs they would have been safe as it started raining by the time they were having presentation ceremony. Rahul Dravid single handedly won them 2006 series by playing brilliantly on both innings on a minefield of a track in Jamaica. Rahul Dravid won them again in 2011 by playing another good knock in 2011. I remember all these Ind vs WI series as if they happened yesterday. In India these tests start at 7:30 pm and finish around 4:30 am. My father would shout at me to sleep after 10 pm when I was still a kid. I remember I told him I won't listen to you in one of the matches in 2002 and that was my big rebel moment. I saw that game till early morning India time. I remember doing that with the 1989 Ashes. I was 8-9 when it was on. It used to start at about 8pm. My parents hated that I could stay awake longer than they could and I’d sneak out and watch it all night....
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Aug 22, 2019 9:21:40 GMT
Mike Whitney "all being captain means is that you've got a letter c next to your name on the team sheet, and it often doedn't stand for captain."
Whitney was a good bowler but he was oft injured. Most of my memories of him were in ODI cricket. I remember he took 3 catches in in a World Series final against India after S.Waugh and Dean Jones had dropped sitters. The last catch was a beauty, ran about 20 metres and showed the ball to the hill for a half lap before throwing it in the sky. Also remember a great spell he bowled against the Windies, also at the SCG, knocked over Lara with a beauty defending 101. I think it was at Perth where he took 11 or 12 against India.
For mine, Merv was a reliable workhorse and well worth a spot in the team, but in no way did he carry Billy. From early 91 to mid 93 McDermott carried the whole bowling unit. The big missed opportunity of that era was Bruce Reid. Superb bowler in full flight, but couldn't stay on the park. Biggest waste of talent in that era, by some margin, was Chris Matthews.
On Bucknor: can't think of a bigger beneficiary of the neutral umpires rule. Rudy maybe. He was shite too.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Aug 22, 2019 9:34:38 GMT
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Aug 22, 2019 10:10:16 GMT
JONATHAN TROTT is one of the candidates for future indian batting coach (apart from RAMPRAKASH, VIKRAM RATHORE (wtf), PRAVIN AMRE etc). i checked TROTT's test and ODI stats. the man was a beast before mental problems (MITCH JONSON) took a toll:
avereged 66 in australia, 50 in england, 42 in india, 56 in new zealand and 48 in sri lanka. overall 44 in tests.
and a 51 average in ODI's with a strike rate of 77.
impressive.
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Aug 22, 2019 13:49:17 GMT
final XIs:
West Indies: 1 Kraigg Brathwaite, 2 John Campbell, 3 Shai Hope, 4 Darren Bravo, 5 Shimron Hetmyer, 6 Roston Chase, 7 Shamarh Brooks, 8 Jason Holder (capt), 9 Miguel Cummins, 10 Kemar Roach, 11 Shannon Gabriel
India: 1 KL Rahul, 2 Mayank Agarwal, 3 Cheteshwar Pujara, 4 Virat Kohli, 5 Ajinkya Rahane, 6 Hanuma Vihari, 7 Rishabh Pant (wk), 8 Ravindra Jadeja, 9 Ishant Sharma, 10 Mohammed Shami, 11 Jasprit Bumrah
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Aug 22, 2019 13:49:57 GMT
ashwin, saha, kuldeep, rohit and umesh out. ASHWIN's bid for 500 wickets seems to be in jeopardy with the revival of JADEJA and the arrival of KULDEEP. ASHWIN might want to arrange a hit on either of KULDEEP or JADEJA if he wants to prolomg his career. he also had a spat with KOHLI during IPL.
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Aug 22, 2019 13:50:15 GMT
INDIA batting first agianst the windies pace battery.
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Aug 22, 2019 14:14:32 GMT
ROACH knocks over MAYANK and PUJARA in the same over. AJ JUNE is on the way back from work to shit on india.
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