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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 18, 2017 17:34:26 GMT
I consider the Bible to be the most popular fantasy novel ever written. Opinions?
(Edit: Just so that I'm perfectly clear, I don't hate the Bible, or people who believe in it. My mother believes in it, as do many others in my family, and many other fine people that I know. And for the most part I recognize that belief in religion can have many positive effects for many people. I just don't believe in it myself, and I don't understand how anyone with any intelligence can actually accept the Bible as anything other than apocryphal.)
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 18, 2017 17:43:00 GMT
what would hans christian andersen do
pinpointing human mediocrities
while
glorifying
their primal conditioning
is what
fable making
relies on
to
sustain
its audience in suspended
fabrication.
some
mesmerize cults
while others
entire
nations.
sjw 09/18/17 inspired at this very moment in time by the ugly duckling in us all.
from the 'benevolent series' of poems
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 18, 2017 17:44:07 GMT
I consider the Bible to be the most popular fantasy novel ever written. Opinions? I agree with that, although it's certainly no comment on its quality as a fantasy novel. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 18, 2017 18:00:38 GMT
It doesn't matter and especially if you can't discuss regardless of genre.
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Post by phludowin on Sept 18, 2017 20:54:24 GMT
It's not a novel. It's a collection of myths and guidelines.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 18, 2017 22:39:21 GMT
I consider the Bible to be the most popular fantasy novel ever written. Opinions? A surprisingly large number of people lately would agree with you. Most of them have an elementary school reading comprehension level despite being adults. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 19, 2017 18:35:42 GMT
I consider the Bible to be the most popular fantasy novel ever written. Opinions? A surprisingly large number of people lately would agree with you. Most of them have an elementary school reading comprehension level despite being adults. Hah! He shoots, heeeeee... misses! Nice try. Statistically speaking the more educated a person is the less likely they are to believe in myths and fairy tales... y'know, seeing as how THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT PROVES ANYTHING IN THE BIBLE IS REAL.
p.s. I'm college educated, and very well read. As a matter of fact, here's some collegiate wit for you: Fuck off. Get it? Fuck off? I slay myself sometimes.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 19, 2017 18:37:10 GMT
It's not a novel. It's a collection of myths and guidelines. ^this^ |
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Post by THawk on Sept 19, 2017 18:52:33 GMT
There are some intelligent reasons to question and doubt parts of and sometimes the entirety of the Bible; yet almost never will you find them discussed on message boards. With all due respect to the OP, most of the times you will be left with inane, idiotic bashings like this that believe the Bible is a "novel." Also I would hardly consider a degree from the liberal brainwashing factories of America known as colleges to be an "education."
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 19, 2017 21:45:51 GMT
here's some collegiate wit for you: ... ... I don't think so. |
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Post by drystyx on Sept 19, 2017 22:33:59 GMT
It can't be fantasy, because it defies all the clichés and Hollywood formulas that are popular among the Beavis and Butthead majority of boob tube addicts.
Those control freaks who claim it is like other ancient books are obviously retarded. No one comes close to Jesus as a "hero". The ones that the retards mention aren't even close. They grasp at straws. Jesus loses, never kills anyone, and just goes through defeat until a resurrection. The closest character to him is perhaps Prometheus, who was never considered a hero, just a background character, in Greek and Roman mysteries.
Even the Old Testament is full of just weak characters. They are afraid to say they're married to pretty women. They always go into hiding. The closest one to a classic hero is King David, who does it all in classical Green hero style, but he obviously existed.
The story of Jesus is completely unprecedented, mostly because we know he had at least 4 brothers from which a "seed of David" could be looked upon as a future hope. There's no way the apostles wanted to have him resurrected to tell them to get flayed, decapitated, burned, and stoned, because they had "survivor" occupations. One couldn't live long on the Sea of Galilee with any sort of suicidal tendencies.
The New Testament has the worst message ever for good publicity and drawing in recruits. Telling them they'll suffer in agony, to give away all their money, to be abused and die off. "Survival of the fittest" would dicated that anyone prone to accept this as a lifestyle would die off quickly, particularly in ancient and medieval days, until the very genes died out. There's no way that Christianity could naturally flourish through Evolution past a hundred years or four generations. It couldn't be done except by supernatural means, particularly with the sabotage occurring in the very church itself.
The hatred against Jesus by the wolrd makes it undeniable that Christianity could only be alive today by supernatural forces, be they good or bad. Anyone who denies that is in delusion and comes across as a toothless redneck who dropped out in the sixth grade. No offense.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 19, 2017 22:38:41 GMT
The hatred against Jesus by the wolrd makes it undeniable that Christianity could only be alive today by supernatural forces, be they good or bad. Anyone who denies that is in delusion and comes across as a toothless redneck who dropped out in the sixth grade. No offense.
That's interesting since delusional toothless rednecks who dropped out in the sixth grade make such a bulk of American Christianity. And no offense taken... I'm not one.
And just so that I'm perfectly clear, I don't hate the Bible, or people who believe in it.
My mother believes in it, as do many others in my family, and many other fine people that I know. And for the most part I recognize that belief in religion can have many positive effects for many people. I just don't believe in it myself, and I don't understand how anyone with any intelligence can actually accept the Bible as anything other than apocryphal.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 19, 2017 22:39:15 GMT
here's some collegiate wit for you: ... ... I don't think so. Nah, you just don't think... for yourself that is. |
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Sept 19, 2017 22:46:40 GMT
The Old Testament is mythology, and is quite enjoyable as just that.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 19, 2017 22:59:10 GMT
There are some intelligent reasons to question and doubt parts of and sometimes the entirety of the Bible; yet almost never will you find them discussed on message boards. With all due respect to the OP, most of the times you will be left with inane, idiotic bashings like this that believe the Bible is a "novel." Also I would hardly consider a degree from the liberal brainwashing factories of America known as colleges to be an "education." You start off good here...
There are some intelligent reasons to question and doubt parts of and sometimes the entirety of the Bible...
But then you fuck it up with...
...idiotic bashings like this that believe the Bible is a "novel." Also I would hardly consider a degree from the liberal brainwashing factories of America known as colleges to be an "education."
Liberal brainwashing? So you think that higher education is liberal brainwashing. No wonder its so easy to make you believe that things that for which there is no proof exist.
I got one simple question for you: In the Bible there are many instances in which god spoke to someone, either in tablet form or by actual voice, in order to give them some info that would change their lives or even that of the world. Where are those people nowadays? How come no one is getting any of those tablets or voices nowadays? Surely we need them now just as much as we did then. Did god just decide "no mas", fuck 'em? Where's the guy that can part the ocean now? Where's our guy that can walk on water? Why no modern day miracles? All we need is ONE. Just one would do. Instead we have Joel con man Osteen? Surely that carnival barker is not the work of the lord.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 20, 2017 0:10:48 GMT
Nah, you just don't think... for yourself that is. I've been accused of several failures, but not thinking for myself (here on "Planet Arlon") is not one of them. |
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Post by politicidal on Sept 20, 2017 1:31:42 GMT
That's where the faith comes in. Not trying to be snarky but that's the simplest I can put it;speaking as someone raised Christian but am not a fundie. Certain aspects like creationism should be treated in the same fashion as like the myths surrounding the Founding Fathers.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 20, 2017 14:43:35 GMT
Nah, you just don't think... for yourself that is. I've been accused of several failures, but not thinking for myself (here on "Planet Arlon") is not one of them. Arlon, Lets both take a step back here. even though we disagree we don't need to mean to one another... Here me out: It's my theory that a lot of things we believe are taught to us by our parents at so early an age that we just automatically take it for granted. As if there's just no other way it could possibly be. As obvious as breathing air. Religion is one of those things. You were raised to believe, so you believe, and that's it. With you it stuck.
With me it did not. I was taken to church as a little kid, but I remember feeling a certain kind of hypocrisy about it. Here were all these people claiming to be good god fearing Christians, but they as soon as they left the church grounds they would go back to being pretty much ass holes. To quote a line from a movie (and I paraphrase)- "they are like stones in water. The rock is wet on the outside but the water does not penetrate to the inside".
This got me thinking about religion in general. And I started to find lots of holes, hypocrisies, and even outright lies. Too many for me to ignore. So while I believe that some people are good, and that for some people the source of that goodness comes from religion, I for one cant look past some of these issues.
In short, I cant just believe because that's the way I was taught too. I reserve the right to question things, even if it was my own parents who taught it to me. And in questioning I made up my own mind that religion is fantasy, and I don't need it in order to be a good person.
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Post by THawk on Sept 20, 2017 15:19:10 GMT
I've been accused of several failures, but not thinking for myself (here on "Planet Arlon") is not one of them. Arlon, Lets both take a step back here. even though we disagree we don't need to mean to one another... Here me out: It's my theory that a lot of things we believe are taught to us by our parents at so early an age that we just automatically take it for granted. As if there's just no other way it could possibly be. As obvious as breathing air. Religion is one of those things. You were raised to believe, so you believe, and that's it. With you it stuck.
With me it did not. I was taken to church as a little kid, but I remember feeling a certain kind of hypocrisy about it. Here were all these people claiming to be good god fearing Christians, but they as soon as they left the church grounds they would go back to being pretty much ass holes. To quote a line from a movie (and I paraphrase)- "they are like stones in water. The rock is wet on the outside but the water does not penetrate to the inside".
This got me thinking about religion in general. And I started to find lots of holes, hypocrisies, and even outright lies. Too many for me to ignore. So while I believe that some people are good, and that for some people the source of that goodness comes from religion, I for one cant look past some of these issues.
In short, I cant just believe because that's the way I was taught too. I reserve the right to question things, even if it was my own parents who taught it to me. And in questioning I made up my own mind that religion is fantasy, and I don't need it in order to be a good person.
Right, so then you understand that the Bible, even if you believe it all to be BS, is a vast collection of texts written by different people, sometimes hundreds of years apart, and edited and compiled by the church; and not a singular "novel," be in fantasy or not - you were just being obtuse? |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 20, 2017 15:22:43 GMT
Arlon, Lets both take a step back here. even though we disagree we don't need to mean to one another... Here me out: It's my theory that a lot of things we believe are taught to us by our parents at so early an age that we just automatically take it for granted. As if there's just no other way it could possibly be. As obvious as breathing air. Religion is one of those things. You were raised to believe, so you believe, and that's it. With you it stuck.
With me it did not. I was taken to church as a little kid, but I remember feeling a certain kind of hypocrisy about it. Here were all these people claiming to be good god fearing Christians, but they as soon as they left the church grounds they would go back to being pretty much ass holes. To quote a line from a movie (and I paraphrase)- "they are like stones in water. The rock is wet on the outside but the water does not penetrate to the inside".
This got me thinking about religion in general. And I started to find lots of holes, hypocrisies, and even outright lies. Too many for me to ignore. So while I believe that some people are good, and that for some people the source of that goodness comes from religion, I for one cant look past some of these issues.
In short, I cant just believe because that's the way I was taught too. I reserve the right to question things, even if it was my own parents who taught it to me. And in questioning I made up my own mind that religion is fantasy, and I don't need it in order to be a good person.
Right, so then you understand that the Bible, even if you believe it all to be BS, is a vast collection of texts written by different people, sometimes hundreds of years apart, and edited and compiled by the church; and not a singular "novel," be in fantasy or not - you were just being obtuse? Now, who's being obtuse? Everyone here, but you it seems, understood that by calling it a fantasy novel I was being cheeky. Clearly, I understand that its a religious text and not ACTUALLY a fantasy novel such Lord of the Rings. It was, what we normal folks like to call, a joke. Duh. Obtuse much?
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