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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 9, 2017 4:35:30 GMT
Yeah, I'd say Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor are A-listers at this point, especially since they're outgrossing more popular Marvel characters like Spider-Man and X-Men. Hulk is a household name, and many women are Black Widow fans. Nope. Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow aren't A-listers. And there are hardly any Black Widow fans. If there were any Black Widow fans, then MCU would've made a Black Widow movie already. So the reason that MCU hasn't made a Black Widow movie after 9 years and 17 movies is because either MCU hates putting female lead characters in their movies or there aren't any Black Widow fans. Nope, they're A-listers. Pretty much any mainstream store in the world right now has merchandise pertaining to one or the other or all of them as a team. Black Widow has not had her own movie yet because she does enough in the movies she appears in and we already have enough information about her as is. Captain Marvel is getting her own movie so your question on whether or not the MCU hates putting lead female characters in their movies doesn't have any weight to it.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 9, 2017 5:06:55 GMT
Nope. Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow aren't A-listers. And there are hardly any Black Widow fans. If there were any Black Widow fans, then MCU would've made a Black Widow movie already. So the reason that MCU hasn't made a Black Widow movie after 9 years and 17 movies is because either MCU hates putting female lead characters in their movies or there aren't any Black Widow fans. Captain Marvel is getting her own movie so your question on whether or not the MCU hates putting lead female characters in their movies doesn't have any weight to it. Captain Marvel is getting a movie only because MCU is reacting to WB announcing a Wonder Woman movie first. If WB hadn't announced a Wonder Woman movie first, MCU would've never made Captain Marvel.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 9, 2017 5:13:06 GMT
Captain Marvel is getting her own movie so your question on whether or not the MCU hates putting lead female characters in their movies doesn't have any weight to it. Captain Marvel is getting a movie only because MCU is reacting to WB announcing a Wonder Woman movie first. If WB hadn't announced a Wonder Woman movie first, MCU would've never made Captain Marvel. I like how you just avoided addressing my counter argument on how Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Captain America, and Black Widow are most certainly A-list superheroes, have nothing? I thought so... You don't know how the industry works, movies are not usually announced and up and running in development in the brink of a minute, it can take months and even years before things are developed enough that the executives feel its appropriate to announce to the world. Captain Marvel was definitely a film Marvel was planning to do for quite a while.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 9, 2017 5:59:06 GMT
Captain Marvel is getting a movie only because MCU is reacting to WB announcing a Wonder Woman movie first. If WB hadn't announced a Wonder Woman movie first, MCU would've never made Captain Marvel. I like how you just avoided addressing my counter argument on how Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Captain America, and Black Widow are most certainly A-list superheroes, have nothing? I already addressed it. Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Cap, and Black Widow aren't A-list superheroes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 6:17:09 GMT
How.. Why... is this now a Marvel vs DC thread? Some people...
I hope JL will do critically well. Im not concerned about the box office. That will be fine
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 9, 2017 6:23:28 GMT
Yeah, I'd say Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor are A-listers at this point, especially since they're outgrossing more popular Marvel characters like Spider-Man and X-Men. Hulk is a household name, and many women are Black Widow fans. Nope. Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow aren't A-listers. And there are hardly any Black Widow fans. If there were any Black Widow fans, then MCU would've made a Black Widow movie already. So the reason that MCU hasn't made a Black Widow movie after 9 years and 17 movies is because either MCU hates putting female lead characters in their movies or there aren't any Black Widow fans. When Iron Man and Captain America movies make $1 billion, yeah, they're A-listers. Also, that's pretty naive to say there aren't any Black Widow fans. Have you been to a comic-con? There are tons of women dressed like Black Widow, so she has her fans, it's just that a Black Widow movie would just another spy thriller. Have you seen Atomic Blonde? Yeah, that would a Black Widow movie. Also, name some Black Widow villains. And if the MCU clearly doesn't like having female led superheros, we won't be getting a Captain Marvel movie.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 9, 2017 6:33:07 GMT
I like how you just avoided addressing my counter argument on how Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Captain America, and Black Widow are most certainly A-list superheroes, have nothing? I already addressed it. Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Cap, and Black Widow aren't A-list superheroes. No you didn't. You replied to a different person, I disagreed, you didn't reply to that part of my response.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 9, 2017 6:34:04 GMT
How.. Why... is this now a Marvel vs DC thread? Some people... I hope JL will do critically well. Im not concerned about the box office. That will be fine Leave it to DC-Fan...
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Post by darkpast on Oct 9, 2017 6:40:57 GMT
$301 million domestically
$785 million worldwide
35% on Rotten Tomatoes
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 10:18:40 GMT
I like how you just avoided addressing my counter argument on how Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Captain America, and Black Widow are most certainly A-list superheroes, have nothing? I already addressed it. Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Cap, and Black Widow aren't A-list superheroes. I have to confess that I assumed you meant something different. I didn't think anyone was capable of being this stupid.
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Post by sostie on Oct 9, 2017 10:33:19 GMT
1) $350 million domestically 2) $890 million worldwide 3) 55% to 70% on Rotten Tomatoes Face it, the Avengers got there first. I can see the biggest complaint being that it's Avengers-lite. No, Avengers hasn't gotten anywhere first. Avengers is just another superhero team-up movie, no different than X-Men and Fantastic Four. Justice League will be historic and unprecedented because it'll be the 1st team-up of A+ and A-list superheroes. That's never been done before in CBM history and is historic and unprecedented. If these are all A+ and A- List superheroes then it just goes to show how little faith they have had with their characters over the years by only giving them big screen time now, whilst Marvel took risks with lesser known (to the public) characters like Iron Man, Blade, Thor etc. Anyway, in what alternate universe is Deathlok rip-off Cyborg an A+ or A- list character? Quit with the hyperbole. there is nothing "historic and unprecedented" about JL. Wind it in a bit, it's getting embarrassing.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 9, 2017 11:42:24 GMT
1. Yes, they're a team of superheroes, just like the X-Men and Fantastic Four are.
2. No, they never were A-list and still aren't A-list superheroes. Black Widow, Hawkeye, Thor, Scarlett Witch, Vision, Falcon, they're all C- and D- list superheroes.
1. Hows that any different than Justice League? 2. Thor definitely a A lister, Black Widow and Hawkeye are definitely not D list. Falcon, Scarlet Witch and Vision have potential to become big, especially if marvel bumps them up in future films. Yeah, i have a feeling no one will care for a Falcon movie unless it has at least one important Avenger
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 9, 2017 15:21:48 GMT
I like how you just avoided addressing my counter argument on how Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Captain America, and Black Widow are most certainly A-list superheroes, have nothing? I already addressed it. Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Cap, and Black Widow aren't A-list superheroes. You dumb motherfucker. Couldn't resist could you, turning this into a DC v Marvel thing, and then moving goalposts like a little bitch you are. Seriously, get the fuck out of here. No one likes you. You've proven more than once you're a dumb fuck as you always run from an argument when you know you lost. And now you're turning this whole thing into a DC v Marvel thing because you're scared and know JL will probably be a failure critically. Do everyone a favor and fuck off
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 9, 2017 17:09:26 GMT
No, Avengers hasn't gotten anywhere first. Avengers is just another superhero team-up movie, no different than X-Men and Fantastic Four. Justice League will be historic and unprecedented because it'll be the 1st team-up of A+ and A-list superheroes. That's never been done before in CBM history and is historic and unprecedented. If these are all A+ and A- List superheroes then it just goes to show how little faith they have had with their characters over the years by only giving them big screen time now, whilst Marvel took risks with lesser known (to the public) characters like Iron Man, Blade, Thor etc. Now you MCU fans are contradicting yourself. You claimed that Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow are all A-listers. Then you claim that MCU took a risk making those movies. If they were all A-listers as you MCU fans claimed, then MCU didn't take any risk making those movies. The fact is Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow aren't A-listers. Quit with the hyperbole. there is nothing "historic and unprecedented" about JL. It's not hyperbole. It's a fact. JL is historic and unprecedented. There's never been a CBM like JL which teams up several A= and A-list superheroes on 1 team in 1 movie. That's a fact.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 9, 2017 17:11:30 GMT
1. Hows that any different than Justice League? 2. Thor definitely a A lister, Black Widow and Hawkeye are definitely not D list. Falcon, Scarlet Witch and Vision have potential to become big, especially if marvel bumps them up in future films. Yeah, i have a feeling no one will care for a Falcon movie unless it has at least one important Avenger No one will care about a Black Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon, Scarlett Witch, or Vision movie unless it has Iron Man or Cap or Hulk in it. Even Thor: Ragnarok needed Hulk in it. And SMH needed both Iron Man and Cap in it.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 9, 2017 17:15:17 GMT
If these are all A+ and A- List superheroes then it just goes to show how little faith they have had with their characters over the years by only giving them big screen time now, whilst Marvel took risks with lesser known (to the public) characters like Iron Man, Blade, Thor etc. Now you MCU fans are contradicting yourself. You claimed that Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow are all A-listers. Then you claim that MCU took a risk making those movies. If they were all A-listers as you MCU fans claimed, then MCU didn't take any risk making those movies. The fact is Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow aren't A-listers. Quit with the hyperbole. there is nothing "historic and unprecedented" about JL. It's not hyperbole. It's a fact. JL is historic and unprecedented. There's never been a CBM like JL which teams up several A= and A-list superheroes on 1 team in 1 movie. That's a fact. Yeah, back in 2008-2011, Marvel did take risks on those characters, and now look where they are. B-list/C-list characters outgrossing more popular characters like Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man. The Avengers is the #1 superhero movie of all time, deal with it. Marvel turned all those characters into A-listers.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 9, 2017 17:17:15 GMT
Yeah, i have a feeling no one will care for a Falcon movie unless it has at least one important Avenger No one will care about a Black Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon, Scarlett Witch, or Vision movie unless it has Iron Man or Cap or Hulk in it. Even Thor: Ragnarok needed Hulk in it. And SMH needed both Iron Man and Cap in it. And people will care about a Cyborg movie?
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 9, 2017 17:22:07 GMT
I already addressed it. Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Cap, and Black Widow aren't A-list superheroes. You dumb motherfucker. Couldn't resist could you, turning this into a DC v Marvel thing, and then moving goalposts like a little bitch you are. Seriously, get the fuck out of here. No one likes you. You've proven more than once you're a dumb fuck as you always run from an argument when you know you lost. And now you're turning this whole thing into a DC v Marvel thing because you're scared and know JL will probably be a failure critically. Do everyone a favor and fuck off No, you dumb motherfucker. I didn't turn this into a DC v Marvel thing. I simply pointed out that JL is historic and unprecedented because JL will be the 1st CBM ever that teams up several A+ and A-list superheroes on 1 team in 1 movie for the 1st time. There has never been a CBM (either by DC or MCU or Fox or Sony or any other studio) that has teamed up several A+ and A-list superheroes on 1 team in 1 movie for the 1st time.
X-Men - nope Fantastic Four - nope Avengers - nope Power Rangers - nope
None. Until JL.
1 dumb MCU fan above called that hyperbole, but it isn't hyperbole any more than saying "The Dream Team was historic and unprecedented because there had never been a team like the Dream Team". To say that JL is just another team-up movie is as dumb as saying the Dream Team was just another All-Star team.
There are All-Star teams and then there's the Dream Team. Jordan, Magic, Bird, and several other legendary greats, the best of the best, all on the same team. Had never been done before and has never been done since.
And the JL is the Dream Team of superhero teams. Avengers, Defenders, Fantastic Four, Freedom Fighters, Justice Society, Legion of Super-Heroes, Power Rangers, Teen Titans, X-Men. None of them are as legendary as the JL.
JL will truly be historic and unprecedented because it'll the be 1st CBM to have the Dream Team of superhero teams, the best of the best, all on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 9, 2017 17:25:17 GMT
Now you MCU fans are contradicting yourself. You claimed that Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow are all A-listers. Then you claim that MCU took a risk making those movies. If they were all A-listers as you MCU fans claimed, then MCU didn't take any risk making those movies. The fact is Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow aren't A-listers. It's not hyperbole. It's a fact. JL is historic and unprecedented. There's never been a CBM like JL which teams up several A= and A-list superheroes on 1 team in 1 movie. That's a fact. B-list/C-list characters So now you're admitting that Iron Man, Cap, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow, and Hawkeye were indeed B-list and C-list superheroes and not A-list superheroes, which confirms my point that the Avengers was nothing more than just another superhero team-up movie, no different than X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Power Rangers.
JL will be the 1st superhero movie with several A+ and A-list superheroes all on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time ever. So JL will be historic and unprecedented.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 9, 2017 17:33:10 GMT
So now you're admitting that Iron Man, Cap, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow, and Hawkeye were indeed B-list and C-list superheroes and not A-list superheroes, which confirms my point that the Avengers was nothing more than just another superhero team-up movie, no different than X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Power Rangers.
JL will be the 1st superhero movie with several A+ and A-list superheroes all on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time ever. So JL will be historic and unprecedented.
Well they were at first, but now they're A-listers, the major 4 for that matter, and The Avengers are different from the X-Men and Fantastic Four. The X-Men are mutants band together to stop the brotherhood and Fantastic Four are four individuals who got their superpowers from the same space accident. The Avengers are individuals who team up together to stop a major threat.
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