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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 9, 2017 17:35:15 GMT
So now you're admitting that Iron Man, Cap, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow, and Hawkeye were indeed B-list and C-list superheroes and not A-list superheroes, which confirms my point that the Avengers was nothing more than just another superhero team-up movie, no different than X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Power Rangers.
JL will be the 1st superhero movie with several A+ and A-list superheroes all on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time ever. So JL will be historic and unprecedented.
The Avengers are different from the X-Men and Fantastic Four. The X-Men are mutants band together to stop the brotherhood and Fantastic Four are four individuals who got their superpowers from the same space accident. The Avengers are individuals who team up together to stop a major threat. And all 3 were team-ups of B-list and C-list superheroes. Like I said, JL will be historic and unprecedented because it'll be the 1st superhero movie that teams up several A+ and A-list superheroes all on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time ever.
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Post by sostie on Oct 9, 2017 17:46:04 GMT
If these are all A+ and A- List superheroes then it just goes to show how little faith they have had with their characters over the years by only giving them big screen time now, whilst Marvel took risks with lesser known (to the public) characters like Iron Man, Blade, Thor etc. Now you MCU fans are contradicting yourself. You claimed that Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow are all A-listers. Then you claim that MCU took a risk making those movies. If they were all A-listers as you MCU fans claimed, then MCU didn't take any risk making those movies. The fact is Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow aren't A-listers. I don't give a fuck what other MCU fans are saying. Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk are probably A-Listers now, but most were not before their appearance on screen I suggest you look up the definition of those words and then perhaps explain why they apply here. Because nothing you have said so far indicates that JL is either of those things
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 9, 2017 17:46:54 GMT
The Avengers are different from the X-Men and Fantastic Four. The X-Men are mutants band together to stop the brotherhood and Fantastic Four are four individuals who got their superpowers from the same space accident. The Avengers are individuals who team up together to stop a major threat. And all 3 were team-ups of B-list and C-list superheroes. Like I said, JL will be historic and unprecedented because it'll be the 1st superhero movie that teams up several A+ and A-list superheroes all on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time ever. Well then, all you're doing is skyrocketing the expectations for Justice League. Historic huh? Well, it's going to be a historic failure if it doesn't match or outgrosses (which I don't think it will) The Avengers.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 9, 2017 17:53:38 GMT
Now you MCU fans are contradicting yourself. You claimed that Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow are all A-listers. Then you claim that MCU took a risk making those movies. If they were all A-listers as you MCU fans claimed, then MCU didn't take any risk making those movies. The fact is Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow aren't A-listers. most were not before their appearance on screen So you've just confirmed my point that the Avengers was just another superhero team-up movie, no different than X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Power Rangers.
JL will be the 1st superhero movie that teams up several A+ and A-list superheroes on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time ever. So JL will truly be historic and unprecedented, just like I said.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 9, 2017 17:57:07 GMT
You dumb motherfucker. Couldn't resist could you, turning this into a DC v Marvel thing, and then moving goalposts like a little bitch you are. Seriously, get the fuck out of here. No one likes you. You've proven more than once you're a dumb fuck as you always run from an argument when you know you lost. And now you're turning this whole thing into a DC v Marvel thing because you're scared and know JL will probably be a failure critically. Do everyone a favor and fuck off No, you dumb motherfucker. I didn't turn this into a DC v Marvel thing. I simply pointed out that JL is historic and unprecedented because JL will be the 1st CBM ever that teams up several A+ and A-list superheroes on 1 team in 1 movie for the 1st time. There has never been a CBM (either by DC or MCU or Fox or Sony or any other studio) that has teamed up several A+ and A-list superheroes on 1 team in 1 movie for the 1st time.
X-Men - nope Fantastic Four - nope Avengers - nope Power Rangers - nope
None. Until JL.
1 dumb MCU fan above called that hyperbole, but it isn't hyperbole any more than saying "The Dream Team was historic and unprecedented because there had never been a team like the Dream Team". To say that JL is just another team-up movie is as dumb as saying the Dream Team was just another All-Star team.
There are All-Star teams and then there's the Dream Team. Jordan, Magic, Bird, and several other legendary greats, the best of the best, all on the same team. Had never been done before and has never been done since.
And the JL is the Dream Team of superhero teams. Avengers, Defenders, Fantastic Four, Freedom Fighters, Justice Society, Legion of Super-Heroes, Power Rangers, Teen Titans, X-Men. None of them are as legendary as the JL.
JL will truly be historic and unprecedented because it'll the be 1st CBM to have the Dream Team of superhero teams, the best of the best, all on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time.
Except you did turn this into a DC v Marvel thing, because that's all that it is to you. Nothing about this thread talked about JL being "historic". They were just talking about the money it'll make and reviews. And because you're a whiny little bitch about whenever someone says something bad about DC, you turn the whole thing into a DC v Marvel thing so you can move goalposts and try to score some points. If JL is going to be historic, it's going to be a historic embarrassment if it isn't even half as good as the first Avengers film or even break a billion. If I want a good Justice League team up, I'll just watch the cartoon.
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Post by sostie on Oct 9, 2017 18:02:58 GMT
most were not before their appearance on screen So you've just confirmed my point that the Avengers was just another superhero team-up movie, no different than X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Power Rangers.
JL will be the 1st superhero movie that teams up several A+ and A-list superheroes on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time ever. So JL will truly be historic and unprecedented, just like I said.
By the time Avengers were made every member had already appeared on screen and some had already had solo movies, so it doesn't contradict what I said...that most were not "A-List" until they had appeared on screen. They almost all had BEFORE the Avengers Aquaman and Cyborg "A-List". Hilarious. And even if they were, it's still not what anyone with a semblance of any intelligence would say makes JL "historic and unprecedented". I had a dump earlier. I'm pretty sure it was different in exact size, shape, colour, content and smell to any other dump I have ever had. It was truly historic and unprecedented.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 9, 2017 19:37:25 GMT
So you've just confirmed my point that the Avengers was just another superhero team-up movie, no different than X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Power Rangers.
JL will be the 1st superhero movie that teams up several A+ and A-list superheroes on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time ever. So JL will truly be historic and unprecedented, just like I said.
By the time Avengers were made every member had already appeared on screen and some had already had solo movies, so it doesn't contradict what I said...that most were not "A-List" until they had appeared on screen. They almost all had BEFORE the Avengers They still weren't A-list even after they appeared on screen. Both The Incredible Hulk and Captain America: The First Avenger were disappointing flops, grossing under $400 million. And Thor couldn't even reach $500 million. None of them were A+ or A listers even after their solo movies. it's still not what anyone with a semblance of any intelligence would say makes JL "historic and unprecedented". The best of the best, all on the same team for the 1st time ever, like Jordan, Magic, and Bird on the Dream Team. That's definitely historic and unprecedented. Anyone with any semblance of intelligence would agree that the Dream Team wasn't just another All-Star team, the Dream Team was historic and unprecedented. Likewise, the JL isn't just another superhero team like the Avengers, Defenders, Fantastic Four, Freedom Fighters, Justice Society, Legion of Super-Heroes, Power Rangers, Teen Titans, or X-Men. The JL is the best of the best on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time ever and that, like the Dream Team, is historic and unprecedented.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 9, 2017 20:15:30 GMT
If these are all A+ and A- List superheroes then it just goes to show how little faith they have had with their characters over the years by only giving them big screen time now, whilst Marvel took risks with lesser known (to the public) characters like Iron Man, Blade, Thor etc. Now you MCU fans are contradicting yourself. You claimed that Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow are all A-listers. Then you claim that MCU took a risk making those movies. If they were all A-listers as you MCU fans claimed, then MCU didn't take any risk making those movies. The fact is Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow aren't A-listers. Quit with the hyperbole. there is nothing "historic and unprecedented" about JL. It's not hyperbole. It's a fact. JL is historic and unprecedented. There's never been a CBM like JL which teams up several A= and A-list superheroes on 1 team in 1 movie. That's a fact. Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and Black Widow were not A-listers BEFORE their movies, AFTER their movies they became A-listers and The Avengers cemented that even further, like I said you can barely go to any mainstream store and not see any merchandise with one or all of them slapped on. Marvel Studios took a bunch of lesser known comic characters and built a successful string of solo films that led into a team-up movie that shattered box office records, now everybody is trying to imitate their success. As this is the case you cannot say they didn't create any impact on the industry and on mainstream popular culture.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 9, 2017 20:24:58 GMT
You dumb motherfucker. Couldn't resist could you, turning this into a DC v Marvel thing, and then moving goalposts like a little bitch you are. Seriously, get the fuck out of here. No one likes you. You've proven more than once you're a dumb fuck as you always run from an argument when you know you lost. And now you're turning this whole thing into a DC v Marvel thing because you're scared and know JL will probably be a failure critically. Do everyone a favor and fuck off No, you dumb motherfucker. I didn't turn this into a DC v Marvel thing. I simply pointed out that JL is historic and unprecedented because JL will be the 1st CBM ever that teams up several A+ and A-list superheroes on 1 team in 1 movie for the 1st time. There has never been a CBM (either by DC or MCU or Fox or Sony or any other studio) that has teamed up several A+ and A-list superheroes on 1 team in 1 movie for the 1st time.
X-Men - nope Fantastic Four - nope Avengers - nope Power Rangers - nope
None. Until JL.
1 dumb MCU fan above called that hyperbole, but it isn't hyperbole any more than saying "The Dream Team was historic and unprecedented because there had never been a team like the Dream Team". To say that JL is just another team-up movie is as dumb as saying the Dream Team was just another All-Star team.
There are All-Star teams and then there's the Dream Team. Jordan, Magic, Bird, and several other legendary greats, the best of the best, all on the same team. Had never been done before and has never been done since.
And the JL is the Dream Team of superhero teams. Avengers, Defenders, Fantastic Four, Freedom Fighters, Justice Society, Legion of Super-Heroes, Power Rangers, Teen Titans, X-Men. None of them are as legendary as the JL.
JL will truly be historic and unprecedented because it'll the be 1st CBM to have the Dream Team of superhero teams, the best of the best, all on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time.
I just want to point out that the X-Men, the Power Rangers, and the Fantastic Four are not the same as Avengers or Justice League. The members of those teams didn't have prior movies leading into their ensemble team films, and they don't typically exist without them. I suppose an argument can be made with some of the X-Men because there have been some in the Avengers but even so it was their association with the X-Men that carried over to being Avengers. JL will only be historic if it has good word of the mouth, if it doesn't and its a failure then it will only be viewed as such.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 9, 2017 20:27:28 GMT
most were not before their appearance on screen So you've just confirmed my point that the Avengers was just another superhero team-up movie, no different than X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Power Rangers.
JL will be the 1st superhero movie that teams up several A+ and A-list superheroes on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time ever. So JL will truly be historic and unprecedented, just like I said.
JL will only be "historic" if its get praise and breaks box office records that rival that of Star Wars, which is still set to be the biggest hit of the year, if it doesn't on either quality or financial front then it will be looked as nothing but an historic failure.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 9, 2017 20:32:21 GMT
By the time Avengers were made every member had already appeared on screen and some had already had solo movies, so it doesn't contradict what I said...that most were not "A-List" until they had appeared on screen. They almost all had BEFORE the Avengers They still weren't A-list even after they appeared on screen. Both The Incredible Hulk and Captain America: The First Avenger were disappointing flops, grossing under $400 million. And Thor couldn't even reach $500 million. None of them were A+ or A listers even after their solo movies. it's still not what anyone with a semblance of any intelligence would say makes JL "historic and unprecedented". The best of the best, all on the same team for the 1st time ever, like Jordan, Magic, and Bird on the Dream Team. That's definitely historic and unprecedented. Anyone with any semblance of intelligence would agree that the Dream Team wasn't just another All-Star team, the Dream Team was historic and unprecedented. Likewise, the JL isn't just another superhero team like the Avengers, Defenders, Fantastic Four, Freedom Fighters, Justice Society, Legion of Super-Heroes, Power Rangers, Teen Titans, or X-Men. The JL is the best of the best on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time ever and that, like the Dream Team, is historic and unprecedented. Neither The Incredible Hulk, Captain America: The First Avenger, or Thor were "disappointing flops". The last two Captain Americas made a goldmine and the latest Thor is tracking pretty well so your perspective is pretty damn questionable on what an "A-lister" is. JL will only live up to the hype you've set out for it if the movie's good and makes ridiculous amounts of money that makes it the no. 1 highest grossing movie of the year, even outperforming Star Wars: The Last Jedi. If it isn't a quality product and it underperforms then it will be historic all right, an historic failure.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 9, 2017 20:34:23 GMT
They still weren't A-list even after they appeared on screen. Both The Incredible Hulk and Captain America: The First Avenger were disappointing flops, grossing under $400 million. And Thor couldn't even reach $500 million. None of them were A+ or A listers even after their solo movies. The best of the best, all on the same team for the 1st time ever, like Jordan, Magic, and Bird on the Dream Team. That's definitely historic and unprecedented. Anyone with any semblance of intelligence would agree that the Dream Team wasn't just another All-Star team, the Dream Team was historic and unprecedented. Likewise, the JL isn't just another superhero team like the Avengers, Defenders, Fantastic Four, Freedom Fighters, Justice Society, Legion of Super-Heroes, Power Rangers, Teen Titans, or X-Men. The JL is the best of the best on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time ever and that, like the Dream Team, is historic and unprecedented. Neither The Incredible Hulk, Captain America: The First Avenger, or Thor were "disappointing flops". The last two Captain Americas made a goldmine and the latest Thor is tracking pretty well so your perspective is pretty damn questionable on what an "A-lister" is. JL will only live up to the hype you've set out for it if the movie's good and makes ridiculous amounts of money that makes it the no. 1 highest grossing movie of the year, even outperforming Star Wars: The Last Jedi. If it isn't a quality product and it underperforms then it will be historic all right, an historic failure. Nothing this year is going to surpass TLJ. Why would JL have to do so? Star Wars is bigger than DC and Marvel.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 9, 2017 20:35:52 GMT
Neither The Incredible Hulk, Captain America: The First Avenger, or Thor were "disappointing flops". The last two Captain Americas made a goldmine and the latest Thor is tracking pretty well so your perspective is pretty damn questionable on what an "A-lister" is. JL will only live up to the hype you've set out for it if the movie's good and makes ridiculous amounts of money that makes it the no. 1 highest grossing movie of the year, even outperforming Star Wars: The Last Jedi. If it isn't a quality product and it underperforms then it will be historic all right, an historic failure. Nothing this year is going to surpass TLJ. Why would JL have to do so? Star Wars is bigger than DC and Marvel. Because if it did then it would surely be "an historic movie" which is what DC-Fan is saying it will be. Of course its an exaggeration, we all know it isn't and it doesn't have to out perform Star Wars to be considered a success.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 9, 2017 20:39:53 GMT
Nothing this year is going to surpass TLJ. Why would JL have to do so? Star Wars is bigger than DC and Marvel. Because if it did then it would surely be "an historic movie" which is what DC-Fan is saying it will be. Of course its an exaggeration, we all know it isn't and it doesn't have to out perform Star Wars to be considered a success. As far as records are concerned, it could beat the November record for highest opening weekend, which would be somewhat historic. That’s an if though. I’m honestly not sure if it will, considering that BvS seemed to have left an overwhelmingly negative stigma for JL that even WW can’t seem to overcome.
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Post by brownstones on Oct 9, 2017 22:26:21 GMT
Fuck, this went to s hit
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Post by sostie on Oct 9, 2017 22:30:10 GMT
By the time Avengers were made every member had already appeared on screen and some had already had solo movies, so it doesn't contradict what I said...that most were not "A-List" until they had appeared on screen. They almost all had BEFORE the Avengers They still weren't A-list even after they appeared on screen. Both The Incredible Hulk and Captain America: The First Avenger were disappointing flops, grossing under $400 million. And Thor couldn't even reach $500 million. None of them were A+ or A listers even after their solo movies. it's still not what anyone with a semblance of any intelligence would say makes JL "historic and unprecedented". The best of the best, all on the same team for the 1st time ever, like Jordan, Magic, and Bird on the Dream Team. That's definitely historic and unprecedented. Anyone with any semblance of intelligence would agree that the Dream Team wasn't just another All-Star team, the Dream Team was historic and unprecedented. Likewise, the JL isn't just another superhero team like the Avengers, Defenders, Fantastic Four, Freedom Fighters, Justice Society, Legion of Super-Heroes, Power Rangers, Teen Titans, or X-Men. The JL is the best of the best on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time ever and that, like the Dream Team, is historic and unprecedented. Two words to completely destroy your A-List theory..."Aquaman" and "Cyborg"
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 9, 2017 23:20:19 GMT
ONE MILLION DOLLARS!!!!1
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 10, 2017 1:06:02 GMT
Nothing this year is going to surpass TLJ. Why would JL have to do so? Star Wars is bigger than DC and Marvel. Because if it did then it would surely be "an historic movie" which is what DC-Fan is saying it will be. Of course its an exaggeration, we all know it isn't and it doesn't have to out perform Star Wars to be considered a success. JL is a historic and unprecedented movie (not an exaggeration) for the CBM genre because like I said, JL will be the 1st CBM that teams up several A+ and A-list superheroes on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time ever. No other CBM has ever done that so JL is historic and unprecedented within the CBM genre.
Star Wars is a different genre and isn't a superhero movie. So it's invalid to compare JL and Star Wars. It's like comparing apples and oranges. It would be like comparing The Godfather to SMH. The Godfather is a drama and is 1 of the greatest movies ever made. SMH is a high school comedy and is an awful movie.
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Post by sostie on Oct 10, 2017 1:26:42 GMT
Because if it did then it would surely be "an historic movie" which is what DC-Fan is saying it will be. Of course its an exaggeration, we all know it isn't and it doesn't have to out perform Star Wars to be considered a success. JL is a historic and unprecedented movie (not an exaggeration) for the CBM genre because like I said, JL will be the 1st CBM that teams up several A+ and A-list superheroes on the same team plus Aquaman and Cyborg
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 10, 2017 3:47:49 GMT
Because if it did then it would surely be "an historic movie" which is what DC-Fan is saying it will be. Of course its an exaggeration, we all know it isn't and it doesn't have to out perform Star Wars to be considered a success. JL is a historic and unprecedented movie (not an exaggeration) for the CBM genre because like I said, JL will be the 1st CBM that teams up several A+ and A-list superheroes on the same team in the same movie for the 1st time ever. No other CBM has ever done that so JL is historic and unprecedented within the CBM genre.
Star Wars is a different genre and isn't a superhero movie. So it's invalid to compare JL and Star Wars. It's like comparing apples and oranges. It would be like comparing The Godfather to SMH. The Godfather is a drama and is 1 of the greatest movies ever made. SMH is a high school comedy and is an awful movie.
No, Marvel Studios making a string of movies based on B list superheroes leading to a team-up film that proves to be a critical and financial success and changing how studios look at franchises is historic and unprecedented when making a film centered around already A-list superheroes is not as risky and guarantees easier money simply based on the involvement of one or two, possibly three, characters. The only thing that is unprecedented about it is that Warner Bros. didn't try it earlier, and before you bring up George Miller's Justice League: Mortal, the movie never happened so its irrelevant. Star Wars is pretty much the same genre when you get to the meat of it - science fantasy, and not being a superhero movie is irrelevant when it comes to discussion box office profitability.
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