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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 15, 2017 0:56:00 GMT
I’ve always been of the opinion that no, WB was indeed right to ignore the Nolan films, as those movies were made specifically with the intention of being realistic and grounded, which wouldn’t work in the context of a large DC universe.
That being said, my opinion is not the end all be all. So is it good that WB started fresh with Batman, or did they miss out by ignoring Bale’s Batman?
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Post by scabab on Oct 15, 2017 1:04:21 GMT
I can't see people like Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Superman, God's of War, Witches and Aliens existing in Nolan's Batman series.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Oct 15, 2017 1:50:48 GMT
No, they should remain their own thing.
They're too good.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 15, 2017 2:42:41 GMT
I don't think they had a choice. Nolan was going to leave after TDKR.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 15, 2017 3:09:56 GMT
They should have kept going.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 15, 2017 14:34:11 GMT
No, I prefer it this way. Nolan was Nolan. I do not see how they could have prolonged his realistic, non-superpower approach and keep it interesting, especially considering his Batman had finished his arc and found his girl. The current Batfleck is close enough in spirit anyway, but still provides room for character development a slightly different take.
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Post by skribb on Oct 15, 2017 15:32:28 GMT
It's like saying we should keep going with Burtonverse until the end of time. Why not change things up?
Apart from that, it would never happen. Nolan made what he wanted to make. Move on. He co-produced Man Of Steel and so he does have a hand in the DCEU since they basically inherited Nolanverse's "gritty take" on DC lore.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 15, 2017 16:26:20 GMT
No. As much as I like his Batman films, his grounded universe wouldn't make things like Wonder Woman, Cyborg, Flash, Aquaman work. In fact only Green Arrow would work in his universe.
I wouldn't mind a multiverse crossover.
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Post by Peter B. Parker on Oct 15, 2017 16:29:13 GMT
No. Nolan wanted to make his Batman films unique and memorable. And, to be honest, I don't really see Bale's Batman fitting with the context of the DCEU.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 15, 2017 19:23:10 GMT
No. Aside from Nolan, didn't Bale not want it to be a part of it either?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 15, 2017 19:49:22 GMT
The bigger question is: why didn't they go to greater lengths to establish exactly what WAS canon in the new Old Man Battfleck continuity? You're sort of just left to infer bits and pieces via conversation with Alfred and flashbacks from Suicide Squad.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 15, 2017 19:51:15 GMT
No. Aside from Nolan, didn't Bale not want it to be a part of it either? Bale was never actually offered the chance to return. That rumor about him being offered $50 million to come back as Batman were debunked by Bale himself.
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Post by moviemeisters on Oct 18, 2017 4:20:28 GMT
I’ve always been of the opinion that no, WB was indeed right to ignore the Nolan films, as those movies were made specifically with the intention of being realistic and grounded, which wouldn’t work in the context of a large DC universe. That being said, my opinion is not the end all be all. So is it good that WB started fresh with Batman, or did they miss out by ignoring Bale’s Batman? Considering what they did, I think they should have just continued the story with Robin John Blake. I feel his character was Nolan's way of saying "I'm done with this series, but you're more than welcome to do whatever you want with this character I invented." That way, you have the option of viewing the Nolan films as canon with the DCEU (to give the world some background) or ignoring them (because of their tonal inconsistencies) without any major consequence.
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Post by dazz on Oct 20, 2017 0:06:34 GMT
No Nolan's Batman only works in the confines of his universe, to try and put that Batman into a greater cinematic universe would ruin everything.
When you think Nolan's Batman had a lot of actual flaws when stacked up to the perception of Batman, it only works because of the specific universe Nolan constructed, but you bring in all this other stuff and how unimpressive Bale's Batman is becomes so apparent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 12:37:51 GMT
No. I think rebooting 'Batman' after the Nolan movies was the best thing Warner Bros have ever done. I didn't like the Nolan movies for three reasons and number one is a Batman trilogy without the Bat Family is not Batman to me. You don't make a Batman movie series without the most popular characters and many DC writers have said if it wasn't for the popularity of characters like Barbara Gordon, Dick Grayson, Stephanie Brown, Cassandra Cain, Kate Kane, Tim Drake, Jason Todd etc who all went on to have their own solo series. Number two, making the movies too grounded and realistic was a mistake 'cause it made it impossible to have a lot of Batman's villains in the movies and even Christopher Nolan acknowledged this was a mistake in interviews and number three, if you are going to make a realistic movie about Batman and say it is grounded make it grounded. The Batman movies by Christopher are just as unrealistic as any Action Hero movie from the 90s with Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Jean Claude Van Damme, Steven Segal, Bruce Willis and Dolph Lundgren and featured an unrealistic lead that would have been dead in real life after a few minutes and they actually would have been more realistic if they gave him a team.
With the new Batman movies they have a chance to fix up Nolan's mistakes and Geoff Johns has said we are FINALLY going to get the Bat Family on screen for the very first time and the Bat Universe is no longer just about Batman anymore which it hasn't been for decades in the comic books. It is about time we get Batgirl, Nightwing, the Spoiler, Orphan, Batwoman, Red Robin, Red Hood, Hawkfire etc on screen along with movies of Birds of Prey, Titans, Batwoman and Red Hood and the Outlaws!!.
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Post by leesilm on Oct 20, 2017 17:53:17 GMT
I know I am in the minority of fans, since I didn't care for the Nolan films (I love his choices for L.Foxx & Alfred- could have watched a movie just of them, and his choice for Gordon was amazing) in general, aside from a couple scenes and some spectacular acting from 3 of my favorite actors. So I don't mind at all that they are re-doing them. I think Superhero films are going to be like THREE MUSKETEERS, ROMEO & JULIET, MAGNIFICENT SEVEN, and ROBIN HOOD- movies that are somewhat meant to be remade every so many years, to fit/reflect the ideas, hopes, fears, and questions of each new generation. Granted, in Hollywood terms, that means that while a Generation is 20 years, a movie-generation is about 7-15 years between remakes (less, if there's a profitable reason). I'm looking forward to seeing Affleck as Bruce/Batman, Irons as Alfred, seeing who'll they will get for Catwoman/leading lady, who will be the new villain, and all that.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 20, 2017 23:20:41 GMT
Nolan never intended his Batman to share the screen with other superheroes and want it to go on and on as potentially endless series of films. His pitch was a trilogy and it won Warner Bros. over, and he was given all the creative freedom he needed. If somebody at Warner brass would've wished it had been the starting point of the DCEU, too bad because they forged the contract and Nolan signed on the dotted line.
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Post by agentblue on Oct 21, 2017 17:11:13 GMT
No Nolan accomplished what he wanted to and continuing with that Batman character would be a cop out. Let the movies stand on their own. Granted a small part of me wishes they had continued with Bales Batman just so we could all be nostalgic about it.
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Post by dazz on Oct 21, 2017 18:21:31 GMT
No. I think rebooting 'Batman' after the Nolan movies was the best thing Warner Bros have ever done. I didn't like the Nolan movies for three reasons and number one is a Batman trilogy without the Bat Family is not Batman to me. You don't make a Batman movie series without the most popular characters and many DC writers have said if it wasn't for the popularity of characters like Barbara Gordon, Dick Grayson, Stephanie Brown, Cassandra Cain, Kate Kane, Tim Drake, Jason Todd etc who all went on to have their own solo series. Number two, making the movies too grounded and realistic was a mistake 'cause it made it impossible to have a lot of Batman's villains in the movies and even Christopher Nolan acknowledged this was a mistake in interviews and number three, if you are going to make a realistic movie about Batman and say it is grounded make it grounded. The Batman movies by Christopher are just as unrealistic as any Action Hero movie from the 90s with Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Jean Claude Van Damme, Steven Segal, Bruce Willis and Dolph Lundgren and featured an unrealistic lead that would have been dead in real life after a few minutes and they actually would have been more realistic if they gave him a team.
With the new Batman movies they have a chance to fix up Nolan's mistakes and Geoff Johns has said we are FINALLY going to get the Bat Family on screen for the very first time and the Bat Universe is no longer just about Batman anymore which it hasn't been for decades in the comic books. It is about time we get Batgirl, Nightwing, the Spoiler, Orphan, Batwoman, Red Robin, Red Hood, Hawkfire etc on screen along with movies of Birds of Prey, Titans, Batwoman and Red Hood and the Outlaws!!. I really don't like Nolan films and rarely get through them. I have seen parts of his Batman films and I don't understand all the fanboy orgasms over them. Nolan is over-rated, and for whatever reason he gets all these accolades, only proves how the majority of the herd have no insight or much self-awareness. The Nolan Batman films benefitted from the same eager fanbase as WW did, people were so taken aback by the mid-late 90's Batman films the grittier and more realistic Nolan films were a welcome sight to be seen, though they were as Deb said far from realistic or grounded, a lot of people love them because Nolan simply took Batman seriously which even Burton sort of didn't do, TDK imo is the only great film of the trilogy and that's mainly due to Ledger imo, you replace that performance with any other slid to good performance and that films no where near as good and it's flaws would be as obvious as TDKR's.
After needless neon, bat-butt, bat-card, bat-nips, 287k ice puns and seeing not one but 2 academy award level actors reduced to jokes, and don't forget about the bat-codpeices Nolan's films do seem like a godsend in comparison.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Oct 21, 2017 18:46:58 GMT
I really don't like Nolan films and rarely get through them. I have seen parts of his Batman films and I don't understand all the fanboy orgasms over them. Nolan is over-rated, and for whatever reason he gets all these accolades, only proves how the majority of the herd have no insight or much self-awareness. The Nolan Batman films benefitted from the same eager fanbase as WW did, people were so taken aback by the mid-late 90's Batman films the grittier and more realistic Nolan films were a welcome sight to be seen, though they were as Deb said far from realistic or grounded, a lot of people love them because Nolan simply took Batman seriously which even Burton sort of didn't do, TDK imo is the only great film of the trilogy and that's mainly due to Ledger imo, you replace that performance with any other slid to good performance and that films no where near as good and it's flaws would be as obvious as TDKR's.
After needless neon, bat-butt, bat-card, bat-nips, 287k ice puns and seeing not one but 2 academy award level actors reduced to jokes, and don't forget about the bat-codpeices Nolan's films do seem like a godsend in comparison.
And they seem godsent in comparison to all what came AFTER too Marvel and DC wise - this is what keeps them so popular and revered in the eye of the general public.
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