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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 18:33:52 GMT
He was in Batman: The Animated Series, whcih is still the uncontested champion of Batman adaptations. There's obviously something to the character worth exploring. I wouldn’t really call it “uncontested” given that TDK is also held in very high regard. Besides, just because TAS (which was over 100 episodes long counting the retool) included him doesn’t mean that a 3 film series should be required to. It is the uncontested champion. Even hardcore Marvel and MCU fans love that one, but criticism against TDK is in no short supply. So a trilogy of Batman films shouldn't include the second most important character? |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 22, 2017 18:50:34 GMT
I wouldn’t really call it “uncontested” given that TDK is also held in very high regard. Besides, just because TAS (which was over 100 episodes long counting the retool) included him doesn’t mean that a 3 film series should be required to. It is the uncontested champion. Even hardcore Marvel and MCU fans love that one, but criticism against TDK is in no short supply. So a trilogy of Batman films shouldn't include the second most important character? There’s plenty of criticism against the MCU as well. It doesn’t mean anything when those critics are far from the majority. Criticism against TDK is only prominent in certain circles as a result of how popular it is. That’s another thing, B:TAS has a more niche following compared to the movies. That’s why criticism against it doesn’t seem particularly prominent. Batman has had plenty of adventures without Robin. B:TAS didn’t even include him for a good chunk of the show, and he wasn’t in Mask of the Phantasm either. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 18:53:47 GMT
It is the uncontested champion. Even hardcore Marvel and MCU fans love that one, but criticism against TDK is in no short supply. So a trilogy of Batman films shouldn't include the second most important character? There’s plenty of criticism against the MCU as well. Criticism against TDK is only prominent in certain circles as a result of how popular it is. Batman has had plenty of adventures without Robin. B:TAS didn’t even include him for a good chunk of the show, and he wasn’t in Mask of the Phantasm either. This isn't about the MCU. What I'm saying is that you're a million times more likely to find someone criticizing TDK than Batman: The Animated Series. No, actually, I've heard criticisms of TDK from a lot of sources, not just a small faction. It's not a perfect movie. Robin's been with the franchise longer than Alfred, so I guess Batman adaptations don't need to include him, either. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 22, 2017 19:01:15 GMT
There’s plenty of criticism against the MCU as well. Criticism against TDK is only prominent in certain circles as a result of how popular it is. Batman has had plenty of adventures without Robin. B:TAS didn’t even include him for a good chunk of the show, and he wasn’t in Mask of the Phantasm either. This isn't about the MCU. What I'm saying is that you're a million times more likely to find someone criticizing TDK than Batman: The Animated Series. No, actually, I've heard criticisms of TDK from a lot of sources, not just a small faction. It's not a perfect movie. Robin's been with the franchise longer than Alfred, so I guess Batman adaptations don't need to include him, either. That’s because again, TDK is much more well known than B:TAS. When something is well known, it tends to get talked about more. It’s the same reason why something like The Room doesn’t get talked about as much as the Star Wars prequels, despite arguably being even worse. It’s because the latter is much more well known. Besides, I myself have some criticisms about TAS. It’s not a bad show, but I honestly think that Harley Quinn is frankly a terrible character, and the animation and dialogue doesn’t really hold up especially well. I do genuinely love Mask of the Phantasm, but the show itself has had some episodes that were frankly not that good, and that actually do get criticized by many. The difference is that Alfred has been retconned into having been part of Batman’s career since the very beginning. The same doesn’t apply to Robin, who is always established as someone who shows up later in Batman’s career. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 19:08:55 GMT
This isn't about the MCU. What I'm saying is that you're a million times more likely to find someone criticizing TDK than Batman: The Animated Series. No, actually, I've heard criticisms of TDK from a lot of sources, not just a small faction. It's not a perfect movie. Robin's been with the franchise longer than Alfred, so I guess Batman adaptations don't need to include him, either. That’s because again, TDK is much more well known than B:TAS. When something is well known, it tends to get talked about more. It’s the same reason why something like The Room doesn’t get talked about as much as the Star Wars prequels, despite arguably being even worse. It’s because the latter is much more well known. Besides, I myself have some criticisms about TAS. It’s not a bad show, but I honestly think that Harley Quinn is frankly a terrible character, and the animation and dialogue doesn’t really hold up especially well. I do genuinely love Mask of the Phantasm, but the show itself has had some episodes that were frankly not that good, and that actually do get criticized by many. The difference is that Alfred has been retconned into having been part of Batman’s career since the very beginning. The same doesn’t apply to Robin, who is always established as someone who shows up later in Batman’s career. Batman: The Animated Series isn't exactly obscure, you know. I still maintain that the TDK gets criticized more because it managed to be more flawed in its single sitting run than the entirety of B:TAS. The whole sequence where Batman kidnaps Lau from China should have just been Batman stopping him at the airport while still in the U.S., for example. Still sounds like you can do a Batman movie without Alfred. |
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Post by scabab on Oct 22, 2017 19:09:26 GMT
The Dark Knight is largely considered the greatest Superhero ever made.
In a time where Superhero movies are constantly coming out from different studios, with some of them being really good themselves there will be always be those people who will take digs at The Dark Knight to try and knock it off its perch to vouche for what they personally think is #1.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 19:12:09 GMT
The Dark Knight is largely considered the greatest Superhero ever made. In a time where Superhero movies are constantly coming out from different studios, with some of them being really good themselves there will be always be those people who will take digs at The Dark Knight to try and knock it off its perch to vouche for what they personally think is #1. I like the film, too, but when I rewatch it, I find myself unable to ignore the glaring flaws it has. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 22, 2017 19:18:59 GMT
In general, I get tired of the constant origin stories in comic book films. I can see doing them once for a character. We don't need to keep doing them over and over though.
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Post by scabab on Oct 22, 2017 19:28:42 GMT
In general, I get tired of the constant origin stories in comic book films. I can see doing them once for a character. We don't need to keep doing them over and over though. Yeah I could have really have done without that in Batman vs Superman. Really at this point, who doesn't know about Batman's origins. We saw the shooting of the parents in Batman 89. The falling into the cave of Bats in Batman Forever. Both in Batman Begins. It was shown in Batman Arkham Asylum. Was surely said in Batman TAS at some point. Why did we have to see it yet again? |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 22, 2017 19:39:07 GMT
That’s because again, TDK is much more well known than B:TAS. When something is well known, it tends to get talked about more. It’s the same reason why something like The Room doesn’t get talked about as much as the Star Wars prequels, despite arguably being even worse. It’s because the latter is much more well known. Besides, I myself have some criticisms about TAS. It’s not a bad show, but I honestly think that Harley Quinn is frankly a terrible character, and the animation and dialogue doesn’t really hold up especially well. I do genuinely love Mask of the Phantasm, but the show itself has had some episodes that were frankly not that good, and that actually do get criticized by many. The difference is that Alfred has been retconned into having been part of Batman’s career since the very beginning. The same doesn’t apply to Robin, who is always established as someone who shows up later in Batman’s career. Batman: The Animated Series isn't exactly obscure, you know. I still maintain that the TDK gets criticized more because it managed to be more flawed in its single sitting run than the entirety of B:TAS. The whole sequence where Batman kidnaps Lau from China should have just been Batman stopping him at the airport while still in the U.S., for example. Still sounds like you can do a Batman movie without Alfred. It’s not obscure, but it’s not quite as mainstream as the Nolan films. As I mentioned before, B:TAS isn’t immune to any kind of criticism. There are episodes from the show that are considered much weaker than others. |
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Post by agentblue on Oct 23, 2017 1:25:13 GMT
Batman: The Animated Series isn't exactly obscure, you know. I still maintain that the TDK gets criticized more because it managed to be more flawed in its single sitting run than the entirety of B:TAS. The whole sequence where Batman kidnaps Lau from China should have just been Batman stopping him at the airport while still in the U.S., for example. Still sounds like you can do a Batman movie without Alfred. It’s not obscure, but it’s not quite as mainstream as the Nolan films. As I mentioned before, B:TAS isn’t immune to any kind of criticism. There are episodes from the show that are considered much weaker than others. What are some examples? |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 23, 2017 1:29:10 GMT
It’s not obscure, but it’s not quite as mainstream as the Nolan films. As I mentioned before, B:TAS isn’t immune to any kind of criticism. There are episodes from the show that are considered much weaker than others. What are some examples? isn’t exactly held in the highest regard. Neither is The Underdwellers for that matter. |
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Post by ShrunkenHeadonKnightBus on Oct 23, 2017 1:38:28 GMT
No.
Nolan clearly intended for The Dark Knight Rises to conclude his version of Batman, and I applaud Warner Brothers for leaving that version out of the DCEU.
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Post by agentblue on Oct 23, 2017 1:41:08 GMT
I’ve Got Batman in my Basement isn’t exactly held in the highest regard. Neither is The Underdwellers for that matter. Yeah thats true, those two episodes arent exactly on my rewatch list. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 5:49:14 GMT
No. I think rebooting 'Batman' after the Nolan movies was the best thing Warner Bros have ever done. I didn't like the Nolan movies for three reasons and number one is a Batman trilogy without the Bat Family is not Batman to me. You don't make a Batman movie series without the most popular characters and many DC writers have said if it wasn't for the popularity of characters like Barbara Gordon, Dick Grayson, Stephanie Brown, Cassandra Cain, Kate Kane, Tim Drake, Jason Todd etc who all went on to have their own solo series. Number two, making the movies too grounded and realistic was a mistake 'cause it made it impossible to have a lot of Batman's villains in the movies and even Christopher Nolan acknowledged this was a mistake in interviews and number three, if you are going to make a realistic movie about Batman and say it is grounded make it grounded. The Batman movies by Christopher are just as unrealistic as any Action Hero movie from the 90s with Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Jean Claude Van Damme, Steven Segal, Bruce Willis and Dolph Lundgren and featured an unrealistic lead that would have been dead in real life after a few minutes and they actually would have been more realistic if they gave him a team.
With the new Batman movies they have a chance to fix up Nolan's mistakes and Geoff Johns has said we are FINALLY going to get the Bat Family on screen for the very first time and the Bat Universe is no longer just about Batman anymore which it hasn't been for decades in the comic books. It is about time we get Batgirl, Nightwing, the Spoiler, Orphan, Batwoman, Red Robin, Red Hood, Hawkfire etc on screen along with movies of Birds of Prey, Titans, Batwoman and Red Hood and the Outlaws!!.  I really don't like Nolan films and rarely get through them. I have seen parts of his Batman films and I don't understand all the fanboy orgasms over them. Nolan is over-rated, and for whatever reason he gets all these accolades, only proves how the majority of the herd have no insight or much self-awareness.  ) in the Nolan movies were awful in comparison to the Arkham versions. I mean the Scarecrow wasn't even scary and didn't keep the costume on. I want to see a scary demented version of the Scarecrow like this with a disfigured face that is hellbent on destroying the city. John Noble said it best when he said the Scarecrow was the most demented character he ever read. The Scarecrow in the Nolan wasn't demented enough and him always staying in costume made him even creepier. 
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 6:03:22 GMT
Robin is not a requirement for every adaptation of Batman. He's in all the best ones.  |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 23, 2017 18:56:46 GMT
its kind've a trick question. They didn't re-boot the Nolan movies. Those are separate from the new ones.
But unless they got at least Christian Bale himself to come back in these movies I don't see how or why they wouldn't go with a new version. |
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Post by agentblue on Oct 23, 2017 20:26:38 GMT
its kind've a trick question. They didn't re-boot the Nolan movies. Those are separate from the new ones.
But unless they got at least Christian Bale himself to come back in these movies I don't see how or why they wouldn't go with a new version. I wish they would continue that story in comicbook form at least. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 23, 2017 20:45:58 GMT
its kind've a trick question. They didn't re-boot the Nolan movies. Those are separate from the new ones.
But unless they got at least Christian Bale himself to come back in these movies I don't see how or why they wouldn't go with a new version. I wish they would continue that story in comicbook form at least. I hear you, but I think that the story is nicely wrapped up at the end of Rises.
A compromise would have been to continue on with whatever Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character becomes at the end of Rises. What if he became a new Batman? That version wouldn't be Bruce Wayne, BUT would be linked closely enough to the Nolan version to carry over some good will from that series, and simultaneously new enough to move forward with. Maybe.
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Post by agentblue on Oct 23, 2017 20:56:46 GMT
I wish they would continue that story in comicbook form at least. I hear you, but I think that the story is nicely wrapped up at the end of Rises.
A compromise would have been to continue on with whatever Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character becomes at the end of Rises. What if he became a new Batman? That version wouldn't be Bruce Wayne, BUT would be linked closely enough to the Nolan version to carry over some good will from that series, and simultaneously new enough to move forward with. Maybe.
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