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Post by dazz on Oct 21, 2017 19:24:23 GMT
The Nolan Batman films benefitted from the same eager fanbase as WW did, people were so taken aback by the mid-late 90's Batman films the grittier and more realistic Nolan films were a welcome sight to be seen, though they were as Deb said far from realistic or grounded, a lot of people love them because Nolan simply took Batman seriously which even Burton sort of didn't do, TDK imo is the only great film of the trilogy and that's mainly due to Ledger imo, you replace that performance with any other slid to good performance and that films no where near as good and it's flaws would be as obvious as TDKR's.
After needless neon, bat-butt, bat-card, bat-nips, 287k ice puns and seeing not one but 2 academy award level actors reduced to jokes, and don't forget about the bat-codpeices Nolan's films do seem like a godsend in comparison.
And they seem godsent in comparison to all what came AFTER too Marvel and DC wise - this is what keeps them so popular and revered in the eye of the general public. Meh I disagree but I'm glad you like them that much, I personally think they were good, and more importantly were what the genre needed, which led into CBM's being taken more seriously but at the same time I think Nolan's trilogy is a little overrated, and I can see why some just don't get it.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 21, 2017 19:39:57 GMT
The Nolan Batman films benefitted from the same eager fanbase as WW did, people were so taken aback by the mid-late 90's Batman films the grittier and more realistic Nolan films were a welcome sight to be seen, though they were as Deb said far from realistic or grounded, a lot of people love them because Nolan simply took Batman seriously which even Burton sort of didn't do, TDK imo is the only great film of the trilogy and that's mainly due to Ledger imo, you replace that performance with any other slid to good performance and that films no where near as good and it's flaws would be as obvious as TDKR's.
After needless neon, bat-butt, bat-card, bat-nips, 287k ice puns and seeing not one but 2 academy award level actors reduced to jokes, and don't forget about the bat-codpeices Nolan's films do seem like a godsend in comparison.
And they seem godsent in comparison to all what came AFTER too Marvel and DC wise - this is what keeps them so popular and revered in the eye of the general public. The main thing that keeps them revered is that they’re considered good movies in general by the majority.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 21, 2017 20:44:54 GMT
The Nolan Batman films benefitted from the same eager fanbase as WW did, people were so taken aback by the mid-late 90's Batman films the grittier and more realistic Nolan films were a welcome sight to be seen, though they were as Deb said far from realistic or grounded, a lot of people love them because Nolan simply took Batman seriously which even Burton sort of didn't do, TDK imo is the only great film of the trilogy and that's mainly due to Ledger imo, you replace that performance with any other slid to good performance and that films no where near as good and it's flaws would be as obvious as TDKR's.
After needless neon, bat-butt, bat-card, bat-nips, 287k ice puns and seeing not one but 2 academy award level actors reduced to jokes, and don't forget about the bat-codpeices Nolan's films do seem like a godsend in comparison.
And they seem godsent in comparison to all what came AFTER too Marvel and DC wise - this is what keeps them so popular and revered in the eye of the general public. Nah, they're the last bastion for people who are ashamed of comics.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 21, 2017 20:48:43 GMT
And they seem godsent in comparison to all what came AFTER too Marvel and DC wise - this is what keeps them so popular and revered in the eye of the general public. Nah, they're the last bastion for people who are ashamed of comics. Are you ever going to stop resorting to that argument? How were the films “ashamed” of the source material when they drew inspiration from stories like Year One, The Long Halloween, and Knightfall?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 21, 2017 21:25:02 GMT
Nah, they're the last bastion for people who are ashamed of comics. Are you ever going to stop resorting to that argument? How were the films “ashamed” of the source material when they drew inspiration from stories like Year One, The Long Halloween, and Knightfall? you are mistaken, it's not an argument, an argument has substance and relevance. It's a denial of facts, as desperate as it is empty. Like flat earth-ers who tell you that if you believe the Earth is round you must hate God.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 22, 2017 0:32:52 GMT
Nah, they're the last bastion for people who are ashamed of comics. Are you ever going to stop resorting to that argument? How were the films “ashamed” of the source material when they drew inspiration from stories like Year One, The Long Halloween, and Knightfall? They used some minor minor things from those stories, but just bare bones. Enough to entice the comic readers into thinking they were doing their stories when they really weren't. If Nolan appreciated the source material he'd have given us stuff like Robin or Batgirl or Clayface or Man-Bat or...anything, really.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 0:36:07 GMT
Having the Christian Bale Batman wouldn't have worked, because he's just too much of a methodical fact-getter to just go after Superman in a blind rage.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 22, 2017 2:20:20 GMT
Are you ever going to stop resorting to that argument? How were the films “ashamed” of the source material when they drew inspiration from stories like Year One, The Long Halloween, and Knightfall? They used some minor minor things from those stories, but just bare bones. Enough to entice the comic readers into thinking they were doing their stories when they really weren't. If Nolan appreciated the source material he'd have given us stuff like Robin or Batgirl or Clayface or Man-Bat or...anything, really. None of those characters are a requirement for a Batman story, especially not one that only covers three films.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 2:22:30 GMT
They used some minor minor things from those stories, but just bare bones. Enough to entice the comic readers into thinking they were doing their stories when they really weren't. If Nolan appreciated the source material he'd have given us stuff like Robin or Batgirl or Clayface or Man-Bat or...anything, really. None of those characters are a requirement for a Batman story, especially not one that only covers three films. Yes, they are. In fact, the only time Batman's been without a partner was a ground total of one year. His first year. Robin got introduced pretty much right at Year Two and has been the second most important Batman character ever since.
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Post by MooseNugget on Oct 22, 2017 4:18:50 GMT
I just wish the whole DCEU wouldn't have happened.
There must have been a time when Meta humans were not well known. Why else would people be like "WTF?" in Man of Steel?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 22, 2017 4:20:32 GMT
None of those characters are a requirement for a Batman story, especially not one that only covers three films. Yes, they are. In fact, the only time Batman's been without a partner was a ground total of one year. His first year. Robin got introduced pretty much right at Year Two and has been the second most important Batman character ever since. Robin is not a requirement for every adaptation of Batman.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 8:09:23 GMT
Yes, they are. In fact, the only time Batman's been without a partner was a ground total of one year. His first year. Robin got introduced pretty much right at Year Two and has been the second most important Batman character ever since. Robin is not a requirement for every adaptation of Batman. He's in all the best ones.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 22, 2017 11:24:06 GMT
I just wish the whole DCEU wouldn't have happened. There must have been a time when Meta humans were not well known. Why else would people be like "WTF?" in Man of Steel? The big problem was lack of foresight. They weren't planning for Superman to exist with ANY other DC heroes when they did MOS, and this is why he's suddenly caring about Batman (who lives literally next door to Metropolis) in BvS when he didn't even know anything about him in MOS. It would've been so easy to explain this with some thinking: - Years earlier Batman is active. He's a normal crimefighter who doesn't brutalize criminals but just ties them up to leave for the cops. - At some point in the past, Joker and Harley kill Robin. Batman finds them in the middle of spray painting his costume and unleashes a greater beating on Joker than he's ever done before. He realizes Robin is still alive and gets him out of there, leaving a clobbered Joker and a terrified Harley for the cops. Harley goes to Blackgate and Joker is left comatose and mangled (explaining why he needed metal teeth and stuff). Robin dies anyways, and Bruce is devastated enough he hangs up his cape and becomes a semi-recluse. Alfred is also upset, but he's happy Bruce quit being Batman. - He stays retired until Superman shows up in MOS, and the emergence of genuine superbeings makes him decide to get back in the saddle. But years of retirement watching Gotham get worse and everything that's happened have left him much more bitter than he was before, so he's more brutal than before. - Clark hears about Batman's return, but assumes that this guy may be a copycat and not the original. This is why he's acting like he's never heard of "this" Batman before BvS. - Joker's been in Arkham in a coma all this time, but hearing Batman's back brings him out of his coma and he makes plans to get Harley back.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 22, 2017 12:20:49 GMT
And they seem godsent in comparison to all what came AFTER too Marvel and DC wise - this is what keeps them so popular and revered in the eye of the general public.The general public. lol, dude, you are pretty easily amused, are you not? The Nolan film are all in the top 250 most popular chars since they came out, TDK is Nr 4 and the 3rd best reviewed CBM ever. If there are CBMs that are generally accepted and appreciated by the general audiences than it's these Batman movies.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 22, 2017 12:24:02 GMT
The general public. lol, dude, you are pretty easily amused, are you not? The Nolan film are all in the top 250 most popular chars since they came out, TDK is Nr 4 and the 3rd best reviewed CBM ever. If there are CBMs that are generally accepted and appreciated by the general audiences than it's these Batman movies. Mainly because of Ledger's you-know-what. Even Begins' appreciation was more a retroactive thing in relation to that. That, and there wasn't much competition at the time. If the Nolan movies came out today while the MCU was out, odds are the Nolan films wouldn't have done as well.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 22, 2017 12:38:47 GMT
lol, dude, you are pretty easily amused, are you not? The Nolan film are all in the top 250 most popular chars since they came out, TDK is Nr 4 and the 3rd best reviewed CBM ever. If there are CBMs that are generally accepted and appreciated by the general audiences than it's these Batman movies. Mainly because of Ledger's you-know-what. Even Begins' appreciation was more a retroactive thing in relation to that. you mean his Oscar awarded performance in one of the best CBMs ever? But no, I'm old enough to remember that Begins was HUGE when it came out, especially after the abysmal Schuhmacher cartoons that made people ashamed of comics. Even I bought the DVDs of the Nolan films, and I hardly have any other CBMs (or Nolans). Nolan-Batman like the Donner Supermans before have general mass appeal, and are not limited to children and CBM fans.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 22, 2017 13:00:34 GMT
Mainly because of Ledger's you-know-what. Even Begins' appreciation was more a retroactive thing in relation to that. you mean his Oscar awarded performance in one of the best CBMs ever? No, him OD'ing and getting a pity Oscar. And his death making it be considered "bad taste" to say anything bad about the movie, thereby artificially boosting it. I was around then too, but I'd been watching CBMs for over a decade before then so it didn't stand out as much to me. I can see how they appealed to people ashamed of comics though. Thankfully the MCU came out to remind people that there was nothing wrong with enjoying films that don't sell-out. The Donner movies did well for being the first and not having competition, they don't really hold up all that well. Especially Superman II where Superman is hardly heroic at all. The MCU are general mass appeal as well, and they've been redefining how wondrous CBMs can be. Especially after how limited Nolan made them seem.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 22, 2017 17:24:27 GMT
Robin is not a requirement for every adaptation of Batman. He's in all the best ones. Robin’s prescience isn’t some indication of quality. I could just as easily point out that he’s also been in some of the worst adaptations.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 17:58:45 GMT
He's in all the best ones. Robin’s prescience isn’t some indication of quality. I could just as easily point out that he’s also been in some of the worst adaptations. He was in Batman: The Animated Series, whcih is still the uncontested champion of Batman adaptations. There's obviously something to the character worth exploring.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 22, 2017 18:31:51 GMT
Robin’s prescience isn’t some indication of quality. I could just as easily point out that he’s also been in some of the worst adaptations. He was in Batman: The Animated Series, whcih is still the uncontested champion of Batman adaptations. There's obviously something to the character worth exploring. I wouldn’t really call it “uncontested” given that TDK is also held in very high regard. Besides, just because TAS (which was over 100 episodes long counting the retool) included him doesn’t mean that a 3 film series should be required to.
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