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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 4:53:27 GMT
So there's nothing remotely comic book-y in the X Men movies? So all of the freakin powers aren't comic book-y? Besides, what does X Men have to do with this? Why do we have to bring up other franchises anyway?? That's not a defense or even a conversation. Stay on topic please. I am staying on topic. You're complaining about the MCU daring to admit its being silly and I'm pointing out that the utterly joyless FoX-Men films do everything in their power to resist embracing their comic book roots. That's the alternate our reality gives us. So take your pick of what you'd rather these films be like. Also, the MCU films are not the Nolan Batman films, so using those as an example is just a moot point. The humor in the MCU is every bit as organic in its own way. But see that's just so unnecessary. Let's discuss the topic at hand: humor in the MCU. Defend it! Disagree with me! Call me a squid faced piece of shit! But don't do the whole Marvel Vs Other Studios thing. It gets us nowhere. That's not what we are discussing here. Its like I say: I don't like how the seafood here because it's too spicy and undercooked. And instead of saying why you like it, you simply say: It's better than the restaurant across the street! It means nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 4:57:08 GMT
I am staying on topic. You're complaining about the MCU daring to admit its being silly and I'm pointing out that the utterly joyless FoX-Men films do everything in their power to resist embracing their comic book roots. That's the alternate our reality gives us. So take your pick of what you'd rather these films be like. Also, the MCU films are not the Nolan Batman films, so using those as an example is just a moot point. The humor in the MCU is every bit as organic in its own way. But see that's just so unnecessary. Let's discuss the topic at hand: humor in the MCU. Defend it! Disagree with me! Call me a squid faced piece of shit! But don't do the whole Marvel Vs Other Studios thing. It gets us nowhere. That's not what we are discussing here. Its like I say: I don't like how the seafood here because it's too spicy and undercooked. And instead of saying why you like it, you simply say: It's better than the restaurant across the street! It means nothing. The MCU is not embarrassed by its comic book roots just because they wink at the camera and go "Yeah, this is silly." That's just their brand of humor, and they do it while at other times playing all the strange comic book-y tropes straight. And don't act like comic books, themselves, don't get in on the action of referencing how silly they are by nature. So the MCU is just doing what comic book writers do anyway. I used the FoX-Men films as an example of what being embarrassed by the franchise's roots REALLY looks like.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:02:35 GMT
But see that's just so unnecessary. Let's discuss the topic at hand: humor in the MCU. Defend it! Disagree with me! Call me a squid faced piece of shit! But don't do the whole Marvel Vs Other Studios thing. It gets us nowhere. That's not what we are discussing here. Its like I say: I don't like how the seafood here because it's too spicy and undercooked. And instead of saying why you like it, you simply say: It's better than the restaurant across the street! It means nothing. The MCU is not embarrassed by its comic book roots just because they wink at the camera and go "Yeah, this is silly." That's just their brand of humor, and they do it while at other times playing all the strange comic book-y tropes straight. And don't act like comic books, themselves, don't get in on the action of referencing how silly they are by nature. So the MCU is just doing what comic book writers do anyway. I used the FoX-Men films as an example of what being embarrassed by the franchise's roots REALLY looks like. Well, I disagree with the X Men bit. But let's move on from that. The studio V studio stuff doesn't interest me. As for the humor in the MCU... I only think it borders on excessively self depreciating in a few movies, namely Doctor Strange and Ant Man. For me there's a fine line between being self aware and self depreciating. But, of course, that line is also somewhat subjective.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:05:41 GMT
The MCU is not embarrassed by its comic book roots just because they wink at the camera and go "Yeah, this is silly." That's just their brand of humor, and they do it while at other times playing all the strange comic book-y tropes straight. And don't act like comic books, themselves, don't get in on the action of referencing how silly they are by nature. So the MCU is just doing what comic book writers do anyway. I used the FoX-Men films as an example of what being embarrassed by the franchise's roots REALLY looks like. Well, I disagree with the X Men bit. But let's move on from that. The studio V studio stuff doesn't interest me. As for the humor in the MCU... I only think it borders on excessively self depreciating in a few movies, namely Doctor Strange and Ant Man. For me there's a fine line between being self aware and self depreciating. But, of course, that line is also somewhat subjective. Better a film that's willing to laugh at itself than a film that forbids laughter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:08:31 GMT
Well, I disagree with the X Men bit. But let's move on from that. The studio V studio stuff doesn't interest me. As for the humor in the MCU... I only think it borders on excessively self depreciating in a few movies, namely Doctor Strange and Ant Man. For me there's a fine line between being self aware and self depreciating. But, of course, that line is also somewhat subjective. Better a film that's willing to laugh at itself than a film that forbids laughter. Why choose between two extremes? Most comic movies find a middle ground.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 20, 2017 5:09:25 GMT
Well, I disagree with the X Men bit. But let's move on from that. The studio V studio stuff doesn't interest me. As for the humor in the MCU... I only think it borders on excessively self depreciating in a few movies, namely Doctor Strange and Ant Man. For me there's a fine line between being self aware and self depreciating. But, of course, that line is also somewhat subjective. Better a film that's willing to laugh at itself than a film that forbids laughter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:09:29 GMT
Thor- Getting hit by Jane's car the second time. Which was hilarious btw. I laughed at it. But I didn't originally mean slapstick per se. But rather self depreciating humor that comes close to being a parody of its source material. Thor and Ant Man are full of it. There's a lot of winking at the audience as if to say: "Yup, this is silly. We're aware. Wink wink." It's all just fun and games in the MCU!!!1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:10:57 GMT
Better a film that's willing to laugh at itself than a film that forbids laughter. Holy shit! I forgot about that scene. Burton is one dark dude.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:11:10 GMT
Better a film that's willing to laugh at itself than a film that forbids laughter. Why choose between two extremes? Most comic movies find a middle ground. Because I'm tired of the grimdark approach every single fucking comic book took in the 2000s. Its refreshing to see a series of films that are aware of what they are and don't demand that I take them uber seriously.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 20, 2017 5:11:13 GMT
It's all just fun and games in the MCU!!!1
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 20, 2017 5:13:36 GMT
Holy shit! I forgot about that scene. Burton is one dark dude. It's darkly hilarious, though. Dickhead: Not a lot of reflective surfaces down in the sewer, huh? [laughs] Penguin: [laughing] Could be worse! My nose could be gushing blood! [cackles hysterically] Dickhead: Your nose could be -- [Penguin bites his nose, sending blood spurting out sideways] That's... really funny.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:14:00 GMT
Why choose between two extremes? Most comic movies find a middle ground. Because I'm tired of the grimdark approach every single fucking comic book took in the 2000s. Its refreshing to see a series of films that are aware of what they are and don't demand that I take them uber seriously. See now personally I didn't see them as grim dark. To me even TDK has quite a bit of levity. BvS is the only one that I'd label grim or uber dark.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:19:55 GMT
Because I'm tired of the grimdark approach every single fucking comic book took in the 2000s. Its refreshing to see a series of films that are aware of what they are and don't demand that I take them uber seriously. See now personally I didn't see them as grim dark. To me even TDK has quite a bit of levity. BvS is the only one that I'd label grim or uber dark. Are you kidding me? With the exceptions of the Tim Story Fantastic Four films and Ironman, everything in the 2000-2009 timespan had to have all the superheroes angsting over the fact that they're gods among men instead of taking some kind of joy in their positions. The colors were almost always muted (or removed), the weird comic book-y parts of the story were always toned way WAY down (or removed) in favor of being REAL, and everyone just seemed to want to be Blade and the first X-Men film.
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Post by scabab on Oct 20, 2017 5:22:12 GMT
Ackbar is right.
He's allowed to criticize (if you would even call it that to begin with) a Marvel Cinematic Universe movie without the unnecessary pointing of the fingers of completely different and unrelated movies.
This thread is everything to do with Thor and nothing to do with X-men or Batman vs Superman.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:26:05 GMT
See now personally I didn't see them as grim dark. To me even TDK has quite a bit of levity. BvS is the only one that I'd label grim or uber dark. Are you kidding me? With the exceptions of the Tim Story Fantastic Four films and Ironman, everything in the 2000-2009 timespan had to have all the superheroes angsting over the fact that they're gods among men instead of taking some kind of joy in their positions. The colors were almost always muted (or removed), the weird comic book-y parts of the story were always toned way WAY down (or removed) in favor of being REAL, and everyone just seemed to want to be Blade and the first X-Men film. Good movies need drama, my man. Protagonists can't take joy in their positions. That's not a story. Iron Man didn't have any less drama/seriousness than any of the Raimi Spideys or Singer X Men or even Batman Begins. Neither did the Cap movies. I really don't see the major distinction you're trying to make. Batman Begins for example has plenty of great humor and self awareness in it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:26:20 GMT
Ackbar is right. He's allowed to criticize (if you would even call it that to begin with) a Marvel Cinematic Universe movie without the unnecessary pointing of the fingers of completely different and unrelated movies. This thread is everything to do with Thor and nothing to do with X-men or Batman vs Superman. I know. I was just using them to illustrate my point.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:29:26 GMT
Are you kidding me? With the exceptions of the Tim Story Fantastic Four films and Ironman, everything in the 2000-2009 timespan had to have all the superheroes angsting over the fact that they're gods among men instead of taking some kind of joy in their positions. The colors were almost always muted (or removed), the weird comic book-y parts of the story were always toned way WAY down (or removed) in favor of being REAL, and everyone just seemed to want to be Blade and the first X-Men film. Good movies need drama, my man. Protagonists can't take joy in their positions. That's not a story. Iron Man didn't have any less drama/seriousness than any of the Raimi Spideys or Singer X Men or even Batman Begins. Neither did the Cap movies. I really don't see the major distinction you're trying to make. Batman Begins for example has plenty of great humor and self awareness in it. Yes, they can. In fact, many have. In fact, most of the MCU protagonists have taken joy in their ability to help people. So yes, there is a story to be had about someone who wants to help people becoming able to do that. The difference between Downey's Tony Stark and Maguire' Spider-Man is that the former isn't a total sadsack killjoy wet blanket all over his own movie. Having the protagonist utterly miserably the entire time isn't good drama. Its lazy. You're making me want to pitch my copy of Batman Begins into the fucking trash.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:32:05 GMT
Good movies need drama, my man. Protagonists can't take joy in their positions. That's not a story. Iron Man didn't have any less drama/seriousness than any of the Raimi Spideys or Singer X Men or even Batman Begins. Neither did the Cap movies. I really don't see the major distinction you're trying to make. Batman Begins for example has plenty of great humor and self awareness in it. Yes, they can. In fact, many have. In fact, most of the MCU protagonists have taken joy in their ability to help people. So yes, there is a story to be had about someone who wants to help people becoming able to do that. The difference between Downey's Tony Stark and Maguire' Spider-Man is that the former isn't a total sadsack killjoy wet blanket all over his own movie. Having the protagonist utterly miserably the entire time isn't good drama. Its lazy. You're making me want to pitch my copy of Batman Begins into the fucking trash. Tony is pretty damn miserable in Iron Man 2, innit? And why do you want to throw your BB copy in the trash? Watch it instead! You'll have a rollicking good time! I promise!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:35:02 GMT
Yes, they can. In fact, many have. In fact, most of the MCU protagonists have taken joy in their ability to help people. So yes, there is a story to be had about someone who wants to help people becoming able to do that. The difference between Downey's Tony Stark and Maguire' Spider-Man is that the former isn't a total sadsack killjoy wet blanket all over his own movie. Having the protagonist utterly miserably the entire time isn't good drama. Its lazy. You're making me want to pitch my copy of Batman Begins into the fucking trash. Tony is pretty damn miserable in Iron Man 2, innit? And why do you want to throw your BB copy in the trash? Watch it instead! You'll have a rollicking good time! I promise! Tony Stark can still smile in Ironman 2 and we don't get endless scenes of him moping around depressed with sad sappy music playing. Thankfully, Marvel Studios left that schtick behind with the Raimi Spider-Man films. The DCEU has killed any fondness I once had for Batman. And Superman.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:37:59 GMT
Tony is pretty damn miserable in Iron Man 2, innit? And why do you want to throw your BB copy in the trash? Watch it instead! You'll have a rollicking good time! I promise! Tony Stark can still smile in Ironman 2 and we don't get endless scenes of him moping around depressed with sad sappy music playing. Thankfully, Marvel Studios left that schtick behind with the Raimi Spider-Man films. The DCEU has killed any fondness I once had for Batman. And Superman. He can still smile? He's literally dying! And mentally self destructing! Good movie. Underrated in my book. But he ain't finding joy in his job. That's for sure. That's the whole story in fact. And BB is a great flick! Watch. Enjoy. Repeat. Make popcorn. Repeat. Watch TDK too. Repeat.
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