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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:43:11 GMT
Tony Stark can still smile in Ironman 2 and we don't get endless scenes of him moping around depressed with sad sappy music playing. Thankfully, Marvel Studios left that schtick behind with the Raimi Spider-Man films. The DCEU has killed any fondness I once had for Batman. And Superman. He can still smile? He's literally dying! And mentally self destructing! Good movie. Underrated in my book. But he ain't finding joy in his job. That's for sure. That's the whole story in fact. And BB is a great flick! Watch. Enjoy. Repeat. Make popcorn. Repeat. Watch TDK too. Repeat. Its all in the presentation. Instead of subjecting us to a Lifetime Network-style practice in depression (as Raimi would have), they still kept it fun and entertaining. Oh, and Tony Stark DOES enjoy being Ironman. In fact, he admits that he doesn't want to give up being Ironman in CA: Civil War. The fact that the protagonists WANT to be these awesome superheroes (except Banner) is a part of the MCU's appeal. Steve Rogers WANTED to be able to make a difference and jumped at the chance become Captain America if it went helping end World War II. Protagonists can't enjoy their positions? The entire MCU is a counterargument to that. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:50:08 GMT
He can still smile? He's literally dying! And mentally self destructing! Good movie. Underrated in my book. But he ain't finding joy in his job. That's for sure. That's the whole story in fact. And BB is a great flick! Watch. Enjoy. Repeat. Make popcorn. Repeat. Watch TDK too. Repeat. Its all in the presentation. Instead of subjecting us to a Lifetime Network-style practice in depression (as Raimi would have), they still kept it fun and entertaining. Oh, and Tony Stark DOES enjoy being Ironman. In fact, he admits that he doesn't want to give up being Ironman in CA: Civil War. The fact that the protagonists WANT to be these awesome superheroes (except Banner) is a part of the MCU's appeal. Steve Rogers WANTED to be able to make a difference and jumped at the chance become Captain America if it went helping end World War II. Protagonists can't enjoy their positions? The entire MCU is a counterargument to that. We have very different opinions of Spiderman 2, I suppose. I don't find it to be a melodrama. I think there's tons of levity and self awareness and joy in it. A very entertaining movie in my book. But right now I'm more concerned about your copy of Batman Begins. No comic book movie collection is complete without it! Treasure it!!!!!!!1 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:56:23 GMT
Its all in the presentation. Instead of subjecting us to a Lifetime Network-style practice in depression (as Raimi would have), they still kept it fun and entertaining. Oh, and Tony Stark DOES enjoy being Ironman. In fact, he admits that he doesn't want to give up being Ironman in CA: Civil War. The fact that the protagonists WANT to be these awesome superheroes (except Banner) is a part of the MCU's appeal. Steve Rogers WANTED to be able to make a difference and jumped at the chance become Captain America if it went helping end World War II. Protagonists can't enjoy their positions? The entire MCU is a counterargument to that. We have very different opinions of Spiderman 2, I suppose. I don't find it to be a melodrama. I think there's tons of levity and self awareness and joy in it. A very entertaining movie in my book. But right now I'm more concerned about your copy of Batman Begins. No comic book movie collection is complete without it! Treasure it!!!!!!!1 You also seem to prefer how they used to make superhero films prior to 2010. Spider-Man 2 forced me to watch Spider-Man refuse to be Spider-man for most of the film. That's not fun. I paid to see webslinging and crime-fighting. Instead I got a scene where Peter Parker leaves a man being brutally beaten to his fate. I'm not really going to burn my copy of Batman Begins, but I am getting tired of people saying the MCU needs to follow its example. No, it doesn't. In fact, the MCU has consistently made more money than BB did by not being BB. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 5:59:19 GMT
How much I love the MCU I still think Batman Begins is the best CBM ever made. I own it twice... together with TDK the only two movies I can say that about.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 6:02:20 GMT
We have very different opinions of Spiderman 2, I suppose. I don't find it to be a melodrama. I think there's tons of levity and self awareness and joy in it. A very entertaining movie in my book. But right now I'm more concerned about your copy of Batman Begins. No comic book movie collection is complete without it! Treasure it!!!!!!!1 You also seem to prefer how they used to make superhero films prior to 2010. Spider-Man 2 forced me to watch Spider-Man refuse to be Spider-man for most of the film. That's not fun. I paid to see webslinging and crime-fighting. Instead I got a scene where Peter Parker leaves a man being brutally beaten to his fate. I'm not really going to burn my copy of Batman Begins, but I am getting tired of people saying the MCU needs to follow its example. No, it doesn't. In fact, the MCU has consistently made more money than BB did by not being BB. I like superhero films prior to and after 2010. No preference really. That's how I felt with Iron Man 3 when Tony barely wore the suit. So in a way, I get what you're saying. BB isn't all that different from MCU movies in my opinion. I don't see it as too dark or too serious. It has lots of humor and self awareness and comic book fun. The climax alone is pure comic book-y glee with all the hallucinations and stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 6:04:05 GMT
How much I love the MCU I still think Batman Begins is the best CBM ever made. I own it twice... together with TDK the only two movies I can say that about. I do love BB. I always watch it around Halloween time. Good times! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 6:07:11 GMT
You also seem to prefer how they used to make superhero films prior to 2010. Spider-Man 2 forced me to watch Spider-Man refuse to be Spider-man for most of the film. That's not fun. I paid to see webslinging and crime-fighting. Instead I got a scene where Peter Parker leaves a man being brutally beaten to his fate. I'm not really going to burn my copy of Batman Begins, but I am getting tired of people saying the MCU needs to follow its example. No, it doesn't. In fact, the MCU has consistently made more money than BB did by not being BB. I like superhero films prior to and after 2010. No preference really. That's how I felt with Iron Man 3 when Tony barely wore the suit. So in a way, I get what you're saying. BB isn't all that different from MCU movies in my opinion. I don't see it as too dark or too serious. It has lots of humor and self awareness and comic book fun. The climax alone is pure comic book-y glee with all the hallucinations and stuff. Yeah, but at least in Ironman 3, it was forced on Tony instead of being a conscious choice to just give up being Ironman. That makes a huge difference. And Tony stayed prolific while out of the suit. BB: Fair enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 6:10:34 GMT
How much I love the MCU I still think Batman Begins is the best CBM ever made. I own it twice... together with TDK the only two movies I can say that about. I do love BB. I always watch it around Halloween time. Good times! Better take it out of the case already so its warm, wet and good to go come Halloween. Ok I go off topic now. Hopefully my fellow mod doesnt mind (selfaware humor alert). Right now Im watching GoT so when season 7 hits the shelf in december I can finish in one go. Than I will start my MCU marathon working towards Avengers Infinity War. And of course I somehow have to cram 7 Star Wars films in between before december 16. And Im worried because I had quite the active summer so I dont now how my couch potato form is right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 16:31:46 GMT
I do love BB. I always watch it around Halloween time. Good times! Better take it out of the case already so its warm, wet and good to go come Halloween. Ok I go off topic now. Hopefully my fellow mod doesnt mind (selfaware humor alert). Right now Im watching GoT so when season 7 hits the shelf in december I can finish in one go. Than I will start my MCU marathon working towards Avengers Infinity War. And of course I somehow have to cram 7 Star Wars films in between before december 16. And Im worried because I had quite the active summer so I dont now how my couch potato form is right now. I've been meaning to do a super sized marathon of all of my comic book movies: MCU, Raimi Spidey Trilogy, XCU, TDK trilogy... It would be insanely time consuming, but damnably fun! |
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 20, 2017 18:12:21 GMT
The opposite is true for me. I doubt I've ever had the same score for a movie as the "average score". That's a personal thing that can only be determined by me. But if 100 people watch a movie and 70 of them like it, I can reasonably assume that I have a 70% chance to like it too. How much I like it can only be determined by me watching it. So the RT score is useful to me, the average score is really not relevant. You should watch movies like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. They crack jokes all the way through that thing. Even the final scene is just them making jokes. And you know what happens in that scene if you've seen it. This idea that you can't mix drama and comedy is really a myth. It's been done many times. I dont think you understand how RT works. The RT score only shows the percentage of positive reviews to the total. 6 out of 10 is still considered a fresh review. But if everybody gives a 6 the RT score is going to be 100%. Average score says much more. It says how positive the fresh really is. And what you say about scoring a film is true. But if 100 people score it an average of 7.5 out of 10 its likely my score will be about the same. 100% fresh will not mean its the best movie I will ever see. It can even mean its above average. Oh I know it works. That's why the RT score is more useful to me. The RT score is just what the percentage is of reviewers who recommended that I see a movie. The average score is how MUCH reviewers liked a movie. I can't get anything out of the latter because I also know how art works. How much I like the movie is up to me. I can't be right or wrong on that. There is no way to prove a move is "better" or "worse". The purpose of reviews is to help me decide if I should see a movie or not. That's what the RT score does. I can see the percentage of people the movie appealed to in a positive or negative way. Even if a movie has a low score, I can still go see it but be prepared that the odds are not in favor of me liking it as a percentage. I was going to see BvS no matter what for instance, but I was able to lower my expectations with that 27% RT score. The purpose of reviews is not to tell me how much I will like the movie....I decide that after I see it. Knowing how MUCH a group of people liked a movie serves no real purpose. It does not alter my feelings about it at all. Art is not something that can be voted on. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 20, 2017 18:31:19 GMT
This might be my favorite review so far.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 19:26:42 GMT
The one negative review on RT (Peter Debrudge from Variety) has a positive score of 70 on metacritic. So why is it rotten on RT?
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 20, 2017 19:37:41 GMT
But see that's just so unnecessary. Let's discuss the topic at hand: humor in the MCU. Defend it! Disagree with me! Call me a squid faced piece of shit! But don't do the whole Marvel Vs Other Studios thing. It gets us nowhere. That's not what we are discussing here. Its like I say: I don't like how the seafood here because it's too spicy and undercooked. And instead of saying why you like it, you simply say: It's better than the restaurant across the street! It means nothing. just because they wink at the camera and go "Yeah, this is silly." That's just their brand of humor, and they do it while at other times playing all the strange comic book-y tropes straight. And don't act like comic books, themselves, don't get in on the action of referencing how silly they are by nature. So the MCU is just doing what comic book writers do anyway. I used the FoX-Men films as an example of what being embarrassed by the franchise's roots REALLY looks like. That's the best thing about Marvel. They are not ashamed to be making comic book movies. A lot of people look down their noses at the genre and can only muster up praise for a CB if it tries not to be a CB movie. The Dark Knight is a great example of how that worked. Lots of claims that it "transcended the genre"....i.e. wasn't really a CB movie. "It's more of a crime drama!" was often claimed. "Realism!" was another one. All part of the usual "dark is better" mantra many operate under. A comedy could never win Best Picture...because reasons. A happy song is innately inferior to a depressing song. Naturally Logan is viewed as the best CB movie this year...what a coincidence...the most grim and depressing one is the "best". Marvel appears to be trying to elevate the genre instead of "transcending" it. There is nothing to be ashamed of. Good movies need drama, my man That's not really true at all. This is one of the best movies ever made.  Tony is pretty damn miserable in Iron Man 2, innit? And why do you want to throw your BB copy in the trash? Watch it instead! You'll have a rollicking good time! I promise!  Tony Stark can still smile in Ironman 2 and we don't get endless scenes of him moping around depressed with sad sappy music playing. Thankfully, Marvel Studios left that schtick behind with the Raimi Spider-Man films. The DCEU has killed any fondness I once had for Batman. And Superman. Superman is my favorite DC character and I suspect he is about to get better. I think they learned a lesson from Wonder Woman. The hero doesn't have to be emo. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 19:44:08 GMT
Better take it out of the case already so its warm, wet and good to go come Halloween. Ok I go off topic now. Hopefully my fellow mod doesnt mind (selfaware humor alert). Right now Im watching GoT so when season 7 hits the shelf in december I can finish in one go. Than I will start my MCU marathon working towards Avengers Infinity War. And of course I somehow have to cram 7 Star Wars films in between before december 16. And Im worried because I had quite the active summer so I dont now how my couch potato form is right now. I've been meaning to do a super sized marathon of all of my comic book movies: MCU, Raimi Spidey Trilogy, XCU, TDK trilogy... It would be insanely time consuming, but damnably fun! Mmm I could do that. And add the DCEU ones as well... I need some unpaid leave... |
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 20, 2017 20:18:28 GMT
The one negative review on RT (Peter Debrudge from Variety) has a positive score of 70 on metacritic. So why is it rotten on RT? Good catch. So that means that this movie should still technically be 100% on RT. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 21:20:56 GMT
The one negative review on RT (Peter Debrudge from Variety) has a positive score of 70 on metacritic. So why is it rotten on RT? Good catch. So that means that this movie should still technically be 100% on RT. Yep  I wonder if it'll change back. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 21:25:50 GMT
The one negative review on RT (Peter Debrudge from Variety) has a positive score of 70 on metacritic. So why is it rotten on RT? Good catch. So that means that this movie should still technically be 100% on RT. The average rating is certainly going up though. Yesterday I think it was at a 7.7 for a while and now its at a 7.9. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 21:27:25 GMT
I've been meaning to do a super sized marathon of all of my comic book movies: MCU, Raimi Spidey Trilogy, XCU, TDK trilogy... It would be insanely time consuming, but damnably fun! Mmm I could do that. And add the DCEU ones as well... I need some unpaid leave... I've done it every year. It's a lot of fun. And every time there's at least 1-2 new entires in the marathon! It usually takes me a whole month. LOL |
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Post by merh on Oct 24, 2017 9:19:11 GMT
Reading some of the reviews and noticing the constant praise for it being "hilarious". Take this conclusion for example Funnier than GotG. Ffs. Why do these critics get so hard by Marvels lame comedy. You wouldn't think this is a film about destruction and death from reading these reviews. Its just pathetic and I could care less about the RT score because when it comes to Marvel films I've found the opposite is true. The higher rating they give it, the more likely it actually sucks. How about watch "Hunt for the Wilderpeople"? I watched it about a year ago because I knew nothing about the director. That movie is fun & thoroughly enjoyable. The praise is not unusual for this director. |
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Post by kevin on Oct 24, 2017 12:06:07 GMT
The one negative review on RT (Peter Debrudge from Variety) has a positive score of 70 on metacritic. So why is it rotten on RT? Also happened with Baby Driver. A review on Metacritic was rated 70, but Rotten Tomatoes called it rotten. I sent them an e-mail about that. They replied in a kind way, but the response basically meant they didn't care about Metacritic's assessment of the review and that it's still rotten according to them. They still haven't done anything about that Baby Driver review even though I'm still pretty sure it should be fresh and not rotten. |
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