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Post by darkpast on Nov 4, 2017 4:27:51 GMT
Hela started with great potential but ending up falling flat, oh well
At least being female was a change
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 4, 2017 4:28:33 GMT
Their "problem" is that they don't make the villain the star of the movie and sideline the hero entirely.
Not much of a problem.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 4, 2017 4:33:31 GMT
They have no incentive to change. Why mess with the formula? People just gobble their shit right up. Even people who don't like it gobble it up. Hee hee hee...
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Post by darkpast on Nov 4, 2017 4:43:39 GMT
They have no incentive to change. Why mess with the formula? People just gobble their shit right up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 4:48:55 GMT
And the few good ones they won’t kill even after five films because they’re scared they’ll have nothing without Loki.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 4, 2017 5:05:00 GMT
I disagree. Hela might not be the best villain ever but she's a big improvement over the average MCU villain. She's about as interesting as Ego, just with less screen time. Still better than Ironmonger and Red Skull and Yellow Jacket, etc.
Definitely better than any DCEU villain. About on par with Ra's Al Ghul.
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Post by darkpast on Nov 4, 2017 5:13:05 GMT
I disagree. Hela might not be the best villain ever but she's a big improvement over the average MCU villain. She's about as interesting as Ego, just with less screen time. Still better than Ironmonger and Red Skull and Yellow Jacket, etc. Definitely better than any DCEU villain. About on par with Ra's Al Ghul. Not really just like Homecoming having an A-list actor elevating another lame villain At least Marvel attracts quality actors
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 4, 2017 6:04:06 GMT
I disagree. Hela might not be the best villain ever but she's a big improvement over the average MCU villain. She's about as interesting as Ego, just with less screen time. Still better than Ironmonger and Red Skull and Yellow Jacket, etc. Definitely better than any DCEU villain. About on par with Ra's Al Ghul. Not really just like Homecoming having an A-list actor elevating another lame villain At least Marvel attracts quality actors Nah, really.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 4, 2017 6:12:02 GMT
I disagree. Hela might not be the best villain ever but she's a big improvement over the average MCU villain. She's about as interesting as Ego, just with less screen time. Still better than Ironmonger and Red Skull and Yellow Jacket, etc. Definitely better than any DCEU villain. About on par with Ra's Al Ghul. Not really just like Homecoming having an A-list actor elevating another lame villain At least Marvel attracts quality actors Are you telling me you don't think Hela is better than villains like Enchantress or Red Skull?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 4, 2017 6:15:42 GMT
Not really just like Homecoming having an A-list actor elevating another lame villain At least Marvel attracts quality actors Are you telling me you don't think Hela is better than villains like Enchantress or Red Skull? Force lightening David Thewlis was weak as shit and so is his gay uncle Step and Fetch. Hee hee hee...
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Post by scabab on Nov 4, 2017 7:50:56 GMT
Well to be fair Ego and Vulture were pretty good by usual Marvel standards this year. Not sure how much of that is thanks to Sony though who always gave their villains more to work with.
Hela is the typical decent but forgettable MCU villain though.
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Post by merh on Nov 4, 2017 7:52:40 GMT
And the few good ones they won’t kill even after five films because they’re scared they’ll have nothing without Loki. HANDS OFF OUR GOD OF MISCHIEF!
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Post by merh on Nov 4, 2017 7:54:14 GMT
I disagree. Hela might not be the best villain ever but she's a big improvement over the average MCU villain. She's about as interesting as Ego, just with less screen time. Still better than Ironmonger and Red Skull and Yellow Jacket, etc. Definitely better than any DCEU villain. About on par with Ra's Al Ghul. Not really just like Homecoming having an A-list actor elevating another lame villain At least Marvel attracts quality actors Hey We got Matt Damon, Sam Neill & a second Hemsworth!
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 4, 2017 10:10:02 GMT
Hela was pretty generic, but I did enjoy the Grand Master.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 4, 2017 13:35:54 GMT
Well to be fair Ego and Vulture were pretty good by usual Marvel standards this year. Not sure how much of that is thanks to Sony though who always gave their villains more to work with. Hela is the typical decent but forgettable MCU villain though. So basically, the idea is still "We want the villain to totally overshadow the hero" because people still are upset at the idea of the hero being the star of their own movie.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 4, 2017 13:49:31 GMT
Well to be fair Ego and Vulture were pretty good by usual Marvel standards this year. I though Ego was charismatically portrayed (K Russel!) and an interesting enough character until the foreseeable villain-reveal. From that point the writing went downhill (with SL shooting him immediately) and Ego became a typically bland Marvel villain without proper purpose and motivation, basically a plot device for the heroes to fight against. At least he was not defeated in a dance off with a magic stone...
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 4, 2017 13:51:02 GMT
Well to be fair Ego and Vulture were pretty good by usual Marvel standards this year. I though Ego was charismatically portrayed (K Russel!) and an interesting enough character until the foreseeable villain-reveal. From that point the writing went downhill (with SL shooting him immediately) and Ego became a typically bland Marvel villain without proper purpose and motivation, basically a plot device for the heroes to fight against. At least he was not defeated in a dance off with a magic stone... His purpose and motivation was explained rather properly. The movie just never forgot the film was about the Guardians first and foremost.
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Post by merh on Nov 4, 2017 13:56:15 GMT
Hela was pretty generic, but I did enjoy the Grand Master. You didn't find him a bit of a fizzle? So he has even mucked with JLA Did you get that vibe?
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 4, 2017 14:01:07 GMT
Hela was pretty generic, but I did enjoy the Grand Master. You didn't find him a bit of a fizzle? So he has even mucked with JLA Did you get that vibe? Problem was, in the original Planet Hulk story the Sakaar plot was based on the ruler of the planet wasn't the Grandmaster. It was this random jerk called the Red King. So the used Grandmaster in his place to make it easier to bring him back for Infinity Wars...but this meant we couldn't get a Grandmaster solo film. Nor could they show off all the Grandmaster's powers (and he's WAY powerful in the comics) otherwise the story wouldn't have worked.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 4, 2017 14:07:24 GMT
I though Ego was charismatically portrayed (K Russel!) and an interesting enough character until the foreseeable villain-reveal. From that point the writing went downhill (with SL shooting him immediately) and Ego became a typically bland Marvel villain without proper purpose and motivation, basically a plot device for the heroes to fight against. At least he was not defeated in a dance off with a magic stone... His purpose and motivation was explained rather properly. The movie just never forgot the film was about the Guardians first and foremost. this is why I used the word "proper", Ego's plan was one of the silliest "Muahahah"-villain plan in recent C-movie history. To recreate the universe in his image with his seed, to wipe the slate clean and make the universe a big steaming pool of himself. And yes I know he created a penis, and not a half bad one...
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