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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 5:23:56 GMT
Like I mentioned before, there are very very few movies that were able to have both a great hero and a great villain. In fact when I think about it, I think only Spiderman 2 managed it. I wouldn't count Spider-Man 2. Gladiator - all day every day. DAT sexual tension between Crowe and Phoenix!
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 5, 2017 5:27:12 GMT
I wouldn't count Spider-Man 2. Gladiator - all day every day. DAT sexual tension between Crowe and Phoenix! It was psycho-sexual! Both of them brought the heat though. Hee hee hee...
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 5, 2017 5:31:18 GMT
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 5, 2017 14:50:41 GMT
formersamhmd 1. Yeah that's how many superheroes go. The superhero goes about his day to day life until a villain shows up and does something evil causing the hero to have to deal with it. Doesn't have to be. There are heroes who ARE proactive and the villains are reacting to THEM. So it came down to Rickman then, not the writing or anything else. It followed the Raimi formula though. And I had real problems with some of the conflict and Doc Ock's character.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 5, 2017 14:51:51 GMT
Howard Stark also requires development considering his role is the greater timeline. Part of the reason the reveal in Civil War had as much kick to it is because we also like Howard Stark from his appearance in The First Avenger and the Peggy Carter series. Howard Stark didn't require any development. And nobody except MCU fans, who love terrorists, liked Howard Stark. Howard Stark was nothing but a terrorist. By that logic, so is Bruce Wayne. He's a real fascist.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 5, 2017 17:46:14 GMT
Howard Stark didn't require any development. And nobody except MCU fans, who love terrorists, liked Howard Stark. Howard Stark was nothing but a terrorist. By that logic, so is Bruce Wayne. He's a real fascist. No, Bruce Wayne doesn't build and keep weapons of mass destruction in his private vault at home like Howard Stark did.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 5, 2017 18:18:44 GMT
By that logic, so is Bruce Wayne. He's a real fascist. No, Bruce Wayne doesn't build and keep weapons of mass destruction in his private vault at home like Howard Stark did. Yes he does.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 5, 2017 22:41:29 GMT
I wish she had more screen time. She's definitely one of the more interesting villians Marvel has had recently.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 6, 2017 13:17:38 GMT
As compared to what? Villains in action movies are usually pretty stale, and Marvel has actually had some colorful and complex ones. Loki is fantastic; Ego doesn't even realize he's a villain; Alexander Pierce had identical values to Nick Fury (they just had different bosses and different targets); Killian saw himself as superior to Stark (and he had a point); and while Hela was one-note, she was charismatic as hell with a secret past which gave nuance where perhaps the character itself did not.
There have been some lousy MCU villains for sure, but nothing worse than your average generic action movie villain. Name the complex Bond villain. Name the DCEU villain that doesn't make you laugh unintentionally. Hans Gruber is just a thief, there isn't much depth beyond Rickman's outstanding performance (and guess what, he dies at the end of the movie!).
Look, I agree the MCU has had some stinkers when it comes to villains (Malekith and Ronan were two of the worst), I just don't see it as something exclusive to Marvel movies.
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Post by miike80 on Nov 6, 2017 15:19:49 GMT
I think this year Marvel had good villains. Vulture might be their best yet, and Hela was one of the few things i liked about Thor Ragnarok
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 6, 2017 15:26:27 GMT
I think this year Marvel had good villains. Vulture might be their best yet, and Hela was one of the few things i liked about Thor Ragnarok Good call about Vulture, a genuine motivation for a 'villain' and brilliantly played by Keaton.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Nov 6, 2017 15:29:39 GMT
Yes, this character and that cracy witch in the Suicide Squad film some time ago. Both fresh concept antagonists with great potential that just fell flat because. There will be a female US president before there will be a good female villain in a CBM. Oh well.
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Post by ThatGuy on Nov 6, 2017 15:55:44 GMT
By that logic, so is Bruce Wayne. He's a real fascist. No, Bruce Wayne doesn't build and keep weapons of mass destruction in his private vault at home like Howard Stark did. What? Bruce Wayne literally builds everything he has... in a cave... with a box of scraps.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 6, 2017 16:17:34 GMT
By that logic, so is Bruce Wayne. He's a real fascist. No, Bruce Wayne doesn't build and keep weapons of mass destruction in his private vault at home like Howard Stark did. Pretty sure The Dark Knight Rises had a WMD Wayne had manufactured and just left lying around.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 6, 2017 20:52:39 GMT
They have no incentive to change. Why mess with the formula? People just gobble their shit right up. ^^^THIS^^^
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 6, 2017 20:54:14 GMT
Hela started with great potential but ending up falling flat, oh well At least being female was a change I'll give them this, Hela was hella hot though... yum. lol
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 6, 2017 20:58:49 GMT
No, Bruce Wayne doesn't build and keep weapons of mass destruction in his private vault at home like Howard Stark did. Pretty sure The Dark Knight Rises had a WMD Wayne had manufactured and just left lying around. It wasn't an WMD. It was a power source that COULD be turned into a WMD if it fell into the wrong hands; AND that very issue was the point of the whole movie. Duh.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 6, 2017 21:01:54 GMT
Pretty sure The Dark Knight Rises had a WMD Wayne had manufactured and just left lying around. It wasn't an WMD. It was a power source that COULD be turned into a WMD if it fell into the wrong hands; AND that very issue was the point of the whole movie. Duh.
Yep. And instead of keeping it near him where he could guard it, it was left all alone where it easily fell into the wrong hands.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 6, 2017 21:45:40 GMT
It wasn't an WMD. It was a power source that COULD be turned into a WMD if it fell into the wrong hands; AND that very issue was the point of the whole movie. Duh.
Yep. And instead of keeping it near him where he could guard it, it was left all alone where it easily fell into the wrong hands. Again overlooking crucial details. He and only one other person, Lucius, knew about its secret location. Until Lucius convinced him to include Miranda, who was really Talia. So the "wrong hands" had inside information, without which they would have never known. It was hardly "left all alone".
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 6, 2017 21:53:39 GMT
Yep. And instead of keeping it near him where he could guard it, it was left all alone where it easily fell into the wrong hands. Again overlooking crucial details. He and only one other person, Lucius, knew about its secret location. Until Lucius convinced him to include Miranda, who was really Talia. So the "wrong hands" had inside information, without which they would have never known. It was hardly "left all alone". By that logic, Howard Stark is in the same boat except he told NO one until spies found out about his stuff.
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