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Post by chasallnut on Nov 17, 2017 13:40:01 GMT
Incidentally what has the MCU and DCEU comparative scores have to do with it? My post originally stated that I thought 2/3rds of the MCU films were poor in response to you stating that they were ALL good. I beg to differ. And incidentally I do see the difference, you are disingenuous. they are
All fresh :-) and I love em
And that's your opinion, and good on you.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 17, 2017 13:43:13 GMT
]That's because it's factual. As is that Swan Songs get an easier time from critics. You can't deny Ledger dying didn't make Dark Knight virtually untouchable and that not having competition didn't give Nolan an easier time with his movies. Maybe the "reverse upvoting" thing was going too far but that other stuff was a clear factor.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 17, 2017 13:46:09 GMT
Superman IV wasn't marketed and promoted and based around it being his last time in the Super-Suit. Logan was entirely based around it being Jackman's last time. As for me bringing up artificial boosts....when you ask a Mathematician "What's 2 + 2?" the answer will always be 4. Thanks again for proving you have no idea what the definition of fact and truth are. Your mathematical equation and answer is a fact. Your childish conspiracy theory is spurious supposition. It's not a conspiracy thing, "Last time in the role" type stories do often invoke more sympathy from audience goers and critics than the film otherwise would get. Like how Return of the Jedi was considered a better film than Empire Strikes Back when it's really not, but because it was the end of the trilogy (and as far as anyone knew, the last time we'd see these characters) it somehow got better remembered.
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Post by scabab on Nov 17, 2017 14:16:22 GMT
You can't deny Ledger dying didn't make Dark Knight virtually untouchable and that not having competition didn't give Nolan an easier time with his movies. Maybe the "reverse upvoting" thing was going too far but that other stuff was a clear factor. Ledger probably did get more praise for the performance due to his death but it was still a phenomenal performance anyway and he'd have still got that Oscar. Nobody else who was nominated that year deserved the Oscar over Ledger. It did also have competition because it came out not long after Iron Man came out and at the time people were already saying that that was one of the best superhero movies that had ever been made itself. It also came out not long after Incredible Hulk, Hellboy 2 and Hancock as well, other comic/superhero type movies.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 17, 2017 14:25:39 GMT
Because Deadpool and Logan weren't better than every MCU movie. They're good for sure, and better than some, I'll listen to that, but they're better than all of them? That's silly, and doesn't deserve any response. Well actually seeing as how hundreds of thousands of users have rated Logan and Deadpool higher than any MCU movie on IMDb with the exception of Thor Ragnarok which will naturally dip lower in time.... And that Logan also has superior reviews to all but the one MCU movie, The Avengers, on Rotten Tomatoes then it's not particularly silly at all and would be worth a proper response. OH SHIT! GO SCABAB!!!
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 17, 2017 14:31:39 GMT
Ledger probably did get more praise for the performance due to his death but it was still a phenomenal performance anyway and he'd have still got that Oscar. Nobody else who was nominated that year deserved the Oscar over Ledger. He wouldn't have won if he hadn't died. And the performance wasn't that great either. The character itself was lazily written, but no one wants to say that out of "respect". A film everyone was poo-pooing at the time.
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Post by Larcen26 on Nov 17, 2017 14:47:38 GMT
Ledger probably did get more praise for the performance due to his death but it was still a phenomenal performance anyway and he'd have still got that Oscar. Nobody else who was nominated that year deserved the Oscar over Ledger. He wouldn't have won if he hadn't died. And the performance wasn't that great either. The character itself was lazily written, but no one wants to say that out of "respect". A film everyone was poo-pooing at the time. Could not disagree with a statement more.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 17, 2017 14:50:44 GMT
He wouldn't have won if he hadn't died. And the performance wasn't that great either. The character itself was lazily written, but no one wants to say that out of "respect". A film everyone was poo-pooing at the time. Could not disagree with a statement more. He was this omnipotent and omniscient being who always had a plan, a backup plan, everything always went the way he wanted it to, people always reacted the way he wanted them to. He always had bombs in the right place for the right time, etc. All this, despite being a deranged hobo who no one in their right mind would consider working for. At least with Hydra in Winter Soldier their power and planning made sense given their scope and all the time they'd been around.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 16:31:46 GMT
they are
All fresh :-) and I love em
And that's your opinion, and good on you. No they're actually all fresh. All 17. Obviously that's not easy to do. And the DCU has 4 rotten out of 5. And that's only if we're still ignoring Green Lantern.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 17, 2017 17:07:18 GMT
lolol...oh dear, that aside, you should see his "LOLOLOLOLOL". This one the epitome of a passive aggressive bully with low effort thinking capacity.
It's his nature. The Punisher is at 67% or 6.6 average on RT and 56 % on Metacritic - that is terrible for a TV show. Most high profile ones are in the 90s.
Granted it's not > 10% Inhumans bad, but MCU really had a string of horribly lowest rated shows this year beginning with Ironfist, Defenders (lowest Netflix viewership), Inhumans and now Punisher.
Still, have fun watching it.
Ike Perlmutter is the Zach Snyder of the MCU. The movies were fine when he was there, but got better after he left. Obviously it was Feige all along making them work. Now his TV division is lagging behind. Seems like someone at Disney would notice that and get rid of him.
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Post by chasallnut on Nov 17, 2017 17:13:33 GMT
And that's your opinion, and good on you. No they're actually all fresh. All 17. Obviously that's not easy to do. And the DCU has 4 rotten out of 5. And that's only if we're still ignoring Green Lantern. I'm assuming you are talking RT? I have never looked at the website and therefore have no inkling of what them being fresh even means. The reason I do that is I make my own judgement, something you seem not to do. I judge a film on whether I like it, not what some other person has to say about it. Incidentally why are you still bringing up DCEU in this conversation when the whole time I have been discussing two thirds of the DCU output that in my opinion are poor?
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 17, 2017 17:13:56 GMT
Well you're wrong.
Average DCU RT Score 47. Lowest MCU film 66. Average MCU film 84.
It's funny that when those type of figures are used against your opinions, for example BB, TDK and TDKR against the Cap films that showed that the Batman films had much better scores, suddenly those stats don't count. I actually like when people bring up these "measurements" of how good art is. It never proves anything. People only buy into it when they agree. So on one hand, there is "proof" that the Nolan trilogy is "better" than the Cap trilogy, right? Well not so fast... Incidentally what has the MCU and DCEU comparative scores have to do with it? My post originally stated that I thought 2/3rds of the MCU films were poor in response to you stating that they were ALL good. I beg to differ. And incidentally I do see the difference, you are disingenuous. Even though there is "proof" that no MCU movie is "poor" you dismiss it. That's what we do. It only counts when we agree. So much for the "proof".
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 17:22:01 GMT
No they're actually all fresh. All 17. Obviously that's not easy to do. And the DCU has 4 rotten out of 5. And that's only if we're still ignoring Green Lantern. I'm assuming you are talking RT? I have never looked at the website and therefore have no inkling of what them being fresh even means. The reason I do that is I make my own judgement, something you seem not to do. I judge a film on whether I like it, not what some other person has to say about it. Incidentally why are you still bringing up DCEU in this conversation when the whole time I have been discussing two thirds of the DCU output that in my opinion are poor? I'm talking all reviews. Metacritic is terrible, it's at like 47. My favorite review right now says "Medicority, Thy name is Justice League" lolol. I almost rolled out of my chair.
I really don't need your "I don't listen to others" BS because neither do I. I'm just point out the facts ok?
More than 2/3rds of the DCU has been terrible. It's 4/5ths and if you don't ignore green lantern like DC did it's 5/6ths
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 17, 2017 17:52:38 GMT
you should see his "LOLOLOLOLOL". This one the epitome of a passive aggressive bully with low effort thinking capacity.
It's his nature. The Punisher is at 67% or 6.6 average on RT and 56 % on Metacritic - that is terrible for a TV show. Most high profile ones are in the 90s.
Granted it's not > 10% Inhumans bad, but MCU really had a string of horribly lowest rated shows this year beginning with Ironfist, Defenders (lowest Netflix viewership), Inhumans and now Punisher.
Still, have fun watching it.
Ike Perlmutter is the Zach Snyder of the MCU. The movies were fine when he was there, but got better after he left. Obviously it was Feige all along making them work. Now his TV division is lagging behind. Seems like someone at Disney would notice that and get rid of him. At least Perlmutter has the excuse that he's a 70-something billionaire who has no real idea of how to make movies or TV shows, and his age is probably catching up to him.
Snyder should know better, as his job is directing.
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Post by chasallnut on Nov 20, 2017 8:28:41 GMT
It's funny that when those type of figures are used against your opinions, for example BB, TDK and TDKR against the Cap films that showed that the Batman films had much better scores, suddenly those stats don't count. I actually like when people bring up these "measurements" of how good art is. It never proves anything. People only buy into it when they agree. So on one hand, there is "proof" that the Nolan trilogy is "better" than the Cap trilogy, right? Well not so fast... Incidentally what has the MCU and DCEU comparative scores have to do with it? My post originally stated that I thought 2/3rds of the MCU films were poor in response to you stating that they were ALL good. I beg to differ. And incidentally I do see the difference, you are disingenuous. Even though there is "proof" that no MCU movie is "poor" you dismiss it. That's what we do. It only counts when we agree. So much for the "proof". Thank you for your considered reply, but I think you missed my point completely. I couldn't care about the RT scores, they are meaningless and that was what I was pointing out to AAA that he uses them when it suits, ergo he cannot have his cake and eat it. I actually think the Nolan Trilogy is better than the Cap "trilogy" based on merit not scores. And my last point that you address is asking why he raised the DCEU, when that was never in the discussion. But thanks for chipping in.
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Post by chasallnut on Nov 20, 2017 8:31:54 GMT
I'm assuming you are talking RT? I have never looked at the website and therefore have no inkling of what them being fresh even means. The reason I do that is I make my own judgement, something you seem not to do. I judge a film on whether I like it, not what some other person has to say about it. Incidentally why are you still bringing up DCEU in this conversation when the whole time I have been discussing two thirds of the DCU output that in my opinion are poor? I'm talking all reviews. Metacritic is terrible, it's at like 47. My favorite review right now says "Medicority, Thy name is Justice League" lolol. I almost rolled out of my chair.
I really don't need your "I don't listen to others" BS because neither do I. I'm just point out the facts ok?
More than 2/3rds of the DCU has been terrible. It's 4/5ths and if you don't ignore green lantern like DC did it's 5/6ths
Well clearly you do need others to make your mind up for you. You haven't seen, by all accounts, JL and yet you are here criticising it. Hypocrisy, Thy name is ArArArchStanton" I'll forgo the childish acronym.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 3, 2017 16:04:17 GMT
I'm talking all reviews. Metacritic is terrible, it's at like 47. My favorite review right now says "Medicority, Thy name is Justice League" lolol. I almost rolled out of my chair.
I really don't need your "I don't listen to others" BS because neither do I. I'm just point out the facts ok?
More than 2/3rds of the DCU has been terrible. It's 4/5ths and if you don't ignore green lantern like DC did it's 5/6ths
Well clearly you do need others to make your mind up for you. You haven't seen, by all accounts, JL and yet you are here criticising it. Hypocrisy, Thy name is ArArArchStanton" I'll forgo the childish acronym. No I'm criticizing the entire franchise. I wasn't convinced it was going to be bad after seeing Man of Steel, and wow it failed, why am I not surprised? I mean do you think me saying there were massive fundamental writing issues in MOS and then a series of popular characters ultimately failing is just a coincidence? Or was I on to something? I'm pretty sure I was on to something.
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