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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 0:11:25 GMT
MCU stays in the pocket. It's fact. If by "staying in the pocket" you mean to say that MCU is able to make all good movies then yeah, sure. Meh. Safe movies, yeah.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 8, 2017 0:13:53 GMT
I agree. Didn't enjoy myself at last year's X-Men or DC films at all, because of how bleak they freakin' were. CA: Civil War was dark, too, but Dear Lord, at least they occasionally smiled and lightened the mood. bleak? what? it had the roughly the same as first class and dofp, even first class had the whole holocaust sequence reintroduced. if anything they added more levity with the younger cast, but also more intense brutality which added to tonal inconsistency, but overall it's in the same ball park.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 0:19:50 GMT
Not really. Civil War was consistent in its tone all the way through, for one thing. Apocalypse was one big attempted genocide on humanity with everything from people exploding to becoming a part of the floor or wall to a very grim sequence with all the nukes blasting off.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 8, 2017 0:21:08 GMT
If by "staying in the pocket" you mean to say that MCU is able to make all good movies then yeah, sure. Meh. Safe movies, yeah. Whatever you say. Still riskier than DC and FOX.
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Post by LeWildPlatypus on Mar 8, 2017 0:37:36 GMT
I just finished watching Logan last night and while I greatly enjoyed it, I realized something: That if there were too many of these dark and gritty superhero movies, audiences would get tired of it very easily. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the movie was bad, far from it. I think these are the kind of movies that can win Oscars. However, it was also very emotionally draining. And considering how often we get superhero movies nowadays (like what, 1 every 2-3 months?), if majority of these movies were dark and gritty then the audiences would get tired of them pretty quickly. At the end of the day people still like to enjoy themselves. They'll appreciate a movie that breaks away from that but only when it's once every now and then. Another downside is that it's very hard to hide mistakes when your movie is all about dark and realistic. When your movie is fun and enjoyable, people are likely to forgive your mistakes. When it's dark, well, then it's glaring. Logan was good enough to not have a lot of mistakes but movies like BvS, well, I theorize that had they been more enjoyable people would have been more forgiving. I don't think it will wear thin. The same can be said about anything, like comedy movies these days with broad, raunchy humour or sci-fi/horror movies which the same formula (space romance or masked killer rampage) is repeated time and time again. I find a lot to like in dark and gritty superhero films, the themes depicted in these films are a reality for some people (depressing backstory, bereavement, hopelessness and traumatic pasts). They're relatable but have a fantastical edge, which in a way is uplifting and motivational, because when I feel bad I'm reminded about how it could be worse and that even superheros with all their abilities can feel sad or be tortured beings. Sometimes I just like to be reminded that you can overcome feelings of guilt and anguish and learn to look past the many injustices in the world. For that reasoning alone I will always pay to watch these type of movies. That said, I'm not a total bore I like the occasional Marvel film (IM3, CA2), but if I'm going to watch a superhero film I opt for Nolan's Batman trilogy or even the first two X-Men movies. Logan is my third favourite superhero movie now.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 8, 2017 0:39:58 GMT
Not really. Civil War was consistent in its tone all the way through, for one thing. Apocalypse was one big attempted genocide on humanity with everything from people exploding to becoming a part of the floor or wall to a very grim sequence with all the nukes blasting off. yeah........i'm talking about apocalypse's tonal issues, didn't touch on cap3's like at all, i'm talking strictly xmen. personally Apocalypse (character) was non threatening, the nukes yeah, not necessarily easy-peasy to see, but again as a whole.....the film was roughly the same as the other films. I mean first class was set during the Cuban missile crisis, and had a sequence where magneto passes a coin through a man's head, but the film wasn't dour, strong marks of brutality, but overall not bleak.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 0:49:12 GMT
Whatever you say. Still riskier than DC and FOX. No.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 0:50:19 GMT
At the end of Apocalypse, thousands of people are dead, the world is half destroyed, and all the nukes are gone, pretty much freeing-up a lot of more hostile nations to commence with starting new wars without that fear of mutual destruction. If that's not bleak and dire, I don't know what is.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 8, 2017 1:17:59 GMT
At the end of Apocalypse, thousands of people are dead, the world is half destroyed, and all the nukes are gone, pretty much freeing-up a lot of more hostile nations to commence with starting new wars without that fear of mutual destruction. If that's not bleak and dire, I don't know what is. .............movie rules man, if they applied every aspect of our world into their films then we'd never have a movie, they take liberties. jesus am I really trying to defend xmen apocalypse?
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Post by LeWildPlatypus on Mar 8, 2017 1:22:39 GMT
I think they mean tonally. There's more of a focus on bleakness in DC films. Iron Man 3 for instance has lots of destruction and atrocities. But if you compare it with The Dark Knight Rises as a third entry in a trilogy, the overall feel of IM3 is more easy-going and light whilst TDKR feels a lot heavier even though you're not seeing the impact of the casualties in it, there's a stronger sense of threat with not a lot of reassurance. It's hard to dissect but I believe it's more to do with the environment, Gotham always feels so huge with all those city shots. I'm sure there is a more detailed analysis on this.
CA2 is probably more like TDKR in regards to environment, it feels like a big movie.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 1:26:28 GMT
At the end of Apocalypse, thousands of people are dead, the world is half destroyed, and all the nukes are gone, pretty much freeing-up a lot of more hostile nations to commence with starting new wars without that fear of mutual destruction. If that's not bleak and dire, I don't know what is. .............movie rules man, if they applied every aspect of our world into their films then we'd never have a movie, they take liberties. jesus am I really trying to defend xmen apocalypse? ...Are you seriously telling me not to consider the ramifications of what happened in the film?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 1:30:01 GMT
It's laughable that Civil War tried to pretend that only like 70 people died in the first Avengers movie.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 8, 2017 1:40:20 GMT
.............movie rules man, if they applied every aspect of our world into their films then we'd never have a movie, they take liberties. jesus am I really trying to defend xmen apocalypse? ...Are you seriously telling me not to consider the ramifications of what happened in the film? can consider them..............but the film won't. the series will move along, and technically has moved along....since it's in the past and so....that means the ending of DOFP is the future aaaaand everything is fine and dandy. it wanted to be a disaster type movie by act3, pure "spectacle," faceless and mindless destruction of little cgi people, consequence free. if you want to adhere certain ramifications to a film which has no intention of touching them, go for it, because yeah.....in reality anything we're seeing in these comicbook films would be horrifying, but again the films will continue on without looking back at them. personally i'm looking at this with in the paradigm of films. but I suppose since the film wanted to make you see Apocalypse as threatening, then yeah I guess they accomplished their goal?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 1:46:52 GMT
That sounds more like a weakness on part of the film than anything else. If Apocalypse had been in the MCU, they certainly would have considered the ramifications of everything that happened in the film. The next MCU film to take place on Earth would be written with the full consequences of everything that happened in Apocalypse in mind as a part of the story.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 2:29:45 GMT
It took Marvel like 10 movies to ever address the collateral damage that the good guys cause.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 2:42:02 GMT
It took Marvel like 10 movies to ever address the collateral damage that the good guys cause. Uh, no... No, it didn't. Tony Stark basically spends every single one of his solo outings paying for his mistakes and Bruce Banner is a wanted man. Any destruction that occurred in the first two Captain America films and the first Avengers film were the fault of the villains. CA: First Avenger: it's World War II. Avengers (2012): Loki invades Earth. Destruction was unavoidable, but Cap had the Avengers keeping it as contained as possible. CA: Winter Soldier: their options were to either let those helicarriers blast millions of people off the face of the Earth or cause some property damage by shooting them out of the sky. Age of Ultron IS the inciting incident that begins the creation of The Accords. Notice how that thick text was already written out and prepared when Ross showed up? That didn't happen over night. The Accords were already being considered. The incident at Civil War's opening scene was just what got things moving. CA: Civil War: It comes off as more of "the straw that broke the camel's back" than anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 2:55:41 GMT
Uh huh...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 4:12:33 GMT
Every time you reply with something snide instead of countering my point, you're admitting that you have no viable counterargument.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 4:14:19 GMT
Nah. I'm just startled at your ignorance and unrelenting defense of the indefensible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 4:19:26 GMT
Again, you're trying to cover for the fact you have no counterargument. If you had one, you'd have brought it to the floor by now.
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