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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 20:34:39 GMT
So apparently pointing out a valid point is now "attacking" something? Yeah... looks like it was your nerve that got hit. Not everything is about fanboyism you know. You can actually point out critical arguments without being biased. It's called being mature. If MCU movies can get away with criticism because they are lighthearted, is Marvel Studio playing safe or being risky? I am waiting for you to solve your "valid" paradox. ...They don't get away with criticism. They're just better than the competition.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 20:38:14 GMT
If MCU movies can get away with criticism because they are lighthearted, is Marvel Studio playing safe or being risky? I am waiting for you to solve your "valid" paradox. The Marvel-Only Bots will not allow ANY criticisms to be directly towards the MCU. It causes them to emotionally break down. They have to protect their corporate overlords. ...Said the man supporting the franchises by OTHER corporate overlords. Every word you type is just pure idiocy.
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Post by Jerk on Mar 8, 2017 20:41:31 GMT
Variety is key.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 8, 2017 20:45:46 GMT
So apparently pointing out a valid point is now "attacking" something? Yeah... looks like it was your nerve that got hit. Not everything is about fanboyism you know. You can actually point out critical arguments without being biased. It's called being mature. If MCU movies can get away with criticism because they are lighthearted, is Marvel Studio playing safe or being risky? I am waiting for you to solve your "valid" paradox. Being lighthearted has nothing to do with being safe or risky. It's a style choice. Just like the Netflix shows are a different style from the movies. The DC movies are basically Snyder's style and not really DC's style. Wonder Woman looks like it fits in that Snyder style. The X-men movies have 3 different styles: Singer, Wolverine and Deadpool. I can see it now that Fox will try to head for the Wolverine and Deadpool styles of movie making and only make minimum X-men movies just to keep the rights. Gambit will probably be rated R and made closer to Logan.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 20:49:06 GMT
If MCU movies can get away with criticism because they are lighthearted, is Marvel Studio playing safe or being risky? I am waiting for you to solve your "valid" paradox. Being lighthearted has nothing to do with being safe or risky. It's a style choice. Just like the Netflix shows are a different style from the movies. The DC movies are basically Snyder's style and not really DC's style. Wonder Woman looks like it fits in that Snyder style. The X-men movies have 3 different styles: Singer, Wolverine and Deadpool. I can see it now that Fox will try to head for the Wolverine and Deadpool styles of movie making and only make minimum X-men movies just to keep the rights. Gambit will probably be rated R and made closer to Logan. Attempting to reason with these idiots is a fool's errand. You're better off not bothering. They've already made up their minds the MCU is inferior and all other comic book movies are superior simply because of the washed-out colors and edginess.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 21:03:56 GMT
The Marvel-Only Bots will not allow ANY criticisms to be directly towards the MCU. It causes them to emotionally break down. They have to protect their corporate overlords. ...Said the man supporting the franchises by OTHER corporate overlords. Every word you type is just pure idiocy. I'm not allowed to enjoy comic movies from all different brands, Marvel-Only Bot?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 21:06:21 GMT
I don't care what you enjoy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 21:10:49 GMT
I don't care what you enjoy. Apparently you do, because you get hysterically butthurt any time someone says they like DC more and/or lobs any criticism at Marvel.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 21:27:09 GMT
Wrong again. You have yet to get anything right.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 8, 2017 22:01:42 GMT
So apparently pointing out a valid point is now "attacking" something? Yeah... looks like it was your nerve that got hit. Not everything is about fanboyism you know. You can actually point out critical arguments without being biased. It's called being mature. If MCU movies can get away with criticism because they are lighthearted, is Marvel Studio playing safe or being risky? I am waiting for you to solve your "valid" paradox. MCU doesn't get away from criticism. They do get criticized for whatever faults they may have. Just so happens they don't have quite as many faults as other cbm franchises. You can't claim that MCU is playing it "safe" just because they continue to make good to great movies. And what is this "valid" paradox you mention? I'll happily solve it if you clarify what you mean, because I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 22:15:26 GMT
Wrong again. You have yet to get anything right. You do realize that everyone can go back to look at all the times you got butthurt, right?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 22:16:05 GMT
Not really. I'm just tired of people saying that there's no room for fun and colorful films when there are R-rated ones around. No, the irony is people like you getting smug before this "new" R-rated formula has even had a chance to prove itself sustainable. The reason Deadpool and Logan worked is because those particular characters work with an R-rating, but the same can't be said for a huge amount of other superheroes, many of which were created with an audience of all ages in mind. So good luck maintaining an R-rated formula that demands bleaker outlooks and more character deaths, guaranteeing a reoccurring cast is out of the question. Marvel's fun and colorful films have dominated the superhero genre in the last decade. Do not play the victim here. Basically, you just admit that it is a question of character rights. Fox owns only a few "dark and gritty characters", and Disney is never putting theirs on the big screen, so it is "unsustainable". I would like to mention that other studios also enjoy access to a range of characters from DC, Valiant, and creator-owned superhero comics. And if one character like Deadpool made as much noise as the entire ensemble cast in Captain America: Civil War last year, I would not try to dismiss R-Rated superheroes by numbers. While it is true that R-rated movies tend to make less money due to a number of factors (little friendliness to family audience, higher possibility of being banned in foreign markets like China), they are by no means financially unsustainable. There are people out there who demand something else, and other studios are obliged to put what their rivals do not make. As long as the audience keep on watching, there are no reasons against "dark and gritty" movies. I have yet to see any statistical claims here against Deadpool and Logan, and no, I am not going to argue with imaginary data points ten years from now. I also find it logically frustrating to catch up with arguments that keep on retreating. Deadpool may be successful, but what about Logan? Logan may be successful, but can you do that for ten years? You may have made 3 Deadpool movies and 3 X-Force movies, and others are doing Lobo, Spawn, Bloodshot movies, but if they keep killing characters, are they as sustainable as Disney's 18 liveaction remakes of animated classics which never kill at all? I am secure enough not to argue about something bigger and farther to defend a premise that has been beaten to the ground so many times. He's a giant pussy. He can't help it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 22:17:36 GMT
I'm not playing anything. You're just being thin-skinned. Oh, and they're going to continue to dominant cinema. Sorry.
Actually, Deadpool didn't make as much noise as CA: Civil War. It grossed a whole lot less and isn't even on the Top 5 Grossers for last year. Also, being dark and gritty is nothing to brag about.
If they're sustainable, they'd be more of them. Period.
Er, actually, those Disney animated films did kill. It's just that the heroes lived. Whatever. In the end, the MCU will end up on top. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 22:18:34 GMT
Wrong again. You have yet to get anything right. You do realize that everyone can go back to look at all the times you got butthurt, right? Except, there are no such times. There are, however, plenty of times you were just an asshole that everyone can look back on and see. Glass houses, mate.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 22:22:04 GMT
You do realize that everyone can go back to look at all the times you got butthurt, right? Except, there are no such times. There are, however, plenty of times you were just an asshole that everyone can look back on and see. Glass houses, mate. We need not look any further than this thread to see your butthurt tears.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 22:23:02 GMT
Last word!
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Post by brownstones on Mar 8, 2017 22:30:34 GMT
potato
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 8, 2017 23:16:23 GMT
There were, but they were build by him as he said to Magneto. All of them? All over the world? Even the small houses? Outhouses, too? There were no carpenters? No architects? He did it all? Like some early day Sim City? Was he like a beach bully and came and knocked down people's houses that he didn't build? I just had this crazy image of Apocalypse doing a doubletake at a house he didn't build and making a fashion designer-type comment, before knocking it down. Now we know why he says "Everything 'they' built will fall." Selfish bastard. The civilization of Ancient Egypt was one of the earliest in world history. There weren't many others like it.
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Post by LaurenceBranagh on Mar 9, 2017 0:50:26 GMT
I was disappointed by Logan. While some parts of the film were very moving and very effective, some of the extremely dark and gritty material was so excessive that I almost laughed at how hard the filmmakers were trying to make people with claws slicing each other over and over and over again seem like anything other than repetitive.
However, in regards to BvS, I never felt that it was dark or gritty. It seemed to me that Snyder was attempting to create a mythic, almost over-worldly, tone, which I felt he often achieved (more-so in the extended edition). To me, it was a mix of heightened realism with heightened fantasy, or myth, rather. Despite it's flaws (which I find to be rather overstated in the online community, often with little respect for people's differences in subjectivity), I did actually enjoy the film. (I actually smiled during the film; I have unique taste.)
But, I digress... Back to the main point I'm commenting on, I do agree with the overall sentiment: if Logan-esque films become the trend, in the hands of lesser filmmakers, the genre could collapse under the relentless weight of grittiness, or faux-grittiness, and immature darkness.
(**Note: Yes BvS-haters, I have the audacity to like BvS, but I also like most the MCU's output, so please refrain from labeling me as DC-fanboy or Marvel-hater)
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 9, 2017 0:56:36 GMT
Basically, you just admit that it is a question of character rights. Fox owns only a few "dark and gritty characters", and Disney is never putting theirs on the big screen, so it is "unsustainable". I would like to mention that other studios also enjoy access to a range of characters from DC, Valiant, and creator-owned superhero comics. And if one character like Deadpool made as much noise as the entire ensemble cast in Captain America: Civil War last year, I would not try to dismiss R-Rated superheroes by numbers. Do you know why Deadpool made so much noise? They got the character right. Something that hasn't been done from Fox up to that point. The look and feel of the movie was pure Deadpool. People responded. The movie did awesome despite Fox. The R rating only helped it along. If the movie sucks, an R rating will not help it be a better movie.
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