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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Dec 15, 2017 22:03:00 GMT
He was put thru all that training and working out for The Force Awakens, obviously with the intention of being much more active in Last Jedi, yet we're teased a dual pretty much, but all Luke does is just dodge a few swings from Kylo. I was expecting a full dual akin to ROTJ. Mark was able to drop 50lbs while in his 60s just to return as Luke. And he clearly looks in good shape and everything at 66. I wouldn't expect him to be flipping and twirling with his lightsaber, but he could have easily done another dual against Kylo similar to ROTJ
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 22:10:31 GMT
yep. what a fucking rip off!
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 15, 2017 22:19:27 GMT
He was put thru all that training and working out for The Force Awakens, obviously with the intention of being much more active in Last Jedi, yet we're teased a dual pretty much, but all Luke does is just dodge a few swings from Kylo. I was expecting a full dual akin to ROTJ. Mark was able to drop 50lbs while in his 60s just to return as Luke. And he clearly looks in good shape and everything at 66. I wouldn't expect him to be flipping and twirling with his lightsaber, but he could have easily done another dual against Kylo similar to ROTJ His Luke Skywalker character was screwed over. I can see now why he once commented that in talking to Rian Johnson about his character in TLJ, he said "Wait a minute. I don't think Luke would do that!" In ROTJ Luke was this character who searched for and tried to pull out the little Lightside that he saw in father Darth Vader. And tried to save him based on that. But in TLJ he contemplates killing his nephew because he senses some Darkside in him. It's a total 180 degree turn in character. And then they just had him play a retreating distraction to Kylo. And be a "sounding board" to Rey's MarySue awesomeness.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 22:40:40 GMT
He was put thru all that training and working out for The Force Awakens, obviously with the intention of being much more active in Last Jedi, yet we're teased a dual pretty much, but all Luke does is just dodge a few swings from Kylo. I was expecting a full dual akin to ROTJ. Mark was able to drop 50lbs while in his 60s just to return as Luke. And he clearly looks in good shape and everything at 66. I wouldn't expect him to be flipping and twirling with his lightsaber, but he could have easily done another dual against Kylo similar to ROTJ Rian Johnson fucked everything up about this movie, including that. There was nothing good in this movie and nothing even fanfic. They could've at least gone fanfic and showed us a big Luke duel. What we got was a giant Fuck You from Kennedy, Johnson and the rest of the fucking idiots at Disney.
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 15, 2017 22:50:51 GMT
Or... Hear me out... Or this movie was not about Luke. He is of the old guard and was only there to give context on Kylo. To be a point of view on an event. He was not there to be Obi Wan Kenobi and fight his old pupil to the death. Luke had his time and it was 2 episodes ago.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 23:27:44 GMT
Or... Hear me out... Or this movie was not about Luke. He is of the old guard and was only there to give context on Kylo. To be a point of view on an event. He was not there to be Obi Wan Kenobi and fight his old pupil to the death. Luke had his time and it was 2 episodes ago. What was this movie about? Tell me about the positive development of any character in this movie.
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 15, 2017 23:43:55 GMT
Or... Hear me out... Or this movie was not about Luke. He is of the old guard and was only there to give context on Kylo. To be a point of view on an event. He was not there to be Obi Wan Kenobi and fight his old pupil to the death. Luke had his time and it was 2 episodes ago. What was this movie about? Tell me about the positive development of any character in this movie. It's not about what you wanted. For the hero Luke to come out and be 25 again. He's not that character anymore and they tell you that the moment he gets the lightsaber. I mean, they do tell you that the title of the movie is not Luke. And you want a positive development of a character? Rey letting go of her past. Poe becoming the leader (not hero) he is suppose to be. Finn not being ruled by his fear. Luke not defining himself by a mistake. Hux learning what materials First Order vehicles are made of. I think the problem with you guys is that you want more Star Wars movies staring Luke. That continuation of RotJ where it is from his point of view. He's the Obi Wan character in that he is passing it on to the next generation. Same with Han and Leia. If you didn't get that in The Force Awakens then you guys are lost. None of these movies will ever be good to you because you aren't going to get that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 23:53:49 GMT
What was this movie about? Tell me about the positive development of any character in this movie. It's not about what you wanted. For the hero Luke to come out and be 25 again. He's not that character anymore and they tell you that the moment he gets the lightsaber. I mean, they do tell you that the title of the movie is not Luke. And you want a positive development of a character? Rey letting go of her past. Poe becoming the leader (not hero) he is suppose to be. Finn not being ruled by his fear. Luke not defining himself by a mistake. Hux learning what materials First Order vehicles are made of. I think the problem with you guys is that you want more Star Wars movies staring Luke. That continuation of RotJ where it is from his point of view. He's the Obi Wan character in that he is passing it on to the next generation. Same with Han and Leia. If you didn't get that in The Force Awakens then you guys are lost. None of these movies will ever be good to you because you aren't going to get that. No, sorry, you couldn't be more wrong about me. I've never liked Luke. Rey let go of her past? WHAT PAST?!? Poe became a leader? Of what? There's nothing left. Finn wasn't ruled by his fear? He started the movie off by trying to run like a coward again. What are you talking about? The only fear he has left to face is that toad who's fallen in love with him and trying to escape anymore of her awkward sexual harassment. Luke never would have acted the way he did in this movie. It was completely at odds with his past character development and the astral projection scene was a complete disaster, also spitting in the face of established lore.
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Post by Surly on Dec 15, 2017 23:55:05 GMT
What was this movie about? Tell me about the positive development of any character in this movie. It's not about what you wanted. For the hero Luke to come out and be 25 again. He's not that character anymore and they tell you that the moment he gets the lightsaber. I mean, they do tell you that the title of the movie is not Luke. And you want a positive development of a character? Rey letting go of her past. Poe becoming the leader (not hero) he is suppose to be. Finn not being ruled by his fear. Luke not defining himself by a mistake. Hux learning what materials First Order vehicles are made of. I think the problem with you guys is that you want more Star Wars movies staring Luke. That continuation of RotJ where it is from his point of view. He's the Obi Wan character in that he is passing it on to the next generation. Same with Han and Leia. If you didn't get that in The Force Awakens then you guys are lost. None of these movies will ever be good to you because you aren't going to get that. They made Luke someone that he is not according to who he was in the OT. It's not too much to ask for the characterization of the OT stars to be honored and have them step out of the limelight with integrity to the character. They just don't care.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 15, 2017 23:55:39 GMT
It's not about what you wanted. For the hero Luke to come out and be 25 again. He's not that character anymore and they tell you that the moment he gets the lightsaber. I mean, they do tell you that the title of the movie is not Luke. And you want a positive development of a character? Rey letting go of her past. Poe becoming the leader (not hero) he is suppose to be. Finn not being ruled by his fear. Luke not defining himself by a mistake. Hux learning what materials First Order vehicles are made of. I think the problem with you guys is that you want more Star Wars movies staring Luke. That continuation of RotJ where it is from his point of view. He's the Obi Wan character in that he is passing it on to the next generation. Same with Han and Leia. If you didn't get that in The Force Awakens then you guys are lost. None of these movies will ever be good to you because you aren't going to get that. No, sorry, you couldn't be more wrong about me. I've never liked Luke. Rey let go of her past? WHAT PAST?!? Poe became a leader? Of what? There's nothing left. Finn wasn't ruled by his fear? He started the movie off by trying to run like a coward again. What are you talking about? The only fear he has left to face is that toad who's fallen in love with him and trying to escape anymore of her awkward sexual harassment. Luke never would have acted the way he did in this movie. It was completely at odds with his past character development and the astral projection scene was a complete disaster, also spitting in the face of established lore. I can FEEL your anger. It makes you stronger. Gives you focus...
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Post by Surly on Dec 16, 2017 0:06:42 GMT
No, sorry, you couldn't be more wrong about me. I've never liked Luke. Rey let go of her past? WHAT PAST?!? Poe became a leader? Of what? There's nothing left. Finn wasn't ruled by his fear? He started the movie off by trying to run like a coward again. What are you talking about? The only fear he has left to face is that toad who's fallen in love with him and trying to escape anymore of her awkward sexual harassment. Luke never would have acted the way he did in this movie. It was completely at odds with his past character development and the astral projection scene was a complete disaster, also spitting in the face of established lore. I can FEEL your anger. It makes you stronger. Gives you focus... YEAH! That was the perfect line at the right moment!
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 16, 2017 0:28:29 GMT
It's not about what you wanted. For the hero Luke to come out and be 25 again. He's not that character anymore and they tell you that the moment he gets the lightsaber. I mean, they do tell you that the title of the movie is not Luke. And you want a positive development of a character? Rey letting go of her past. Poe becoming the leader (not hero) he is suppose to be. Finn not being ruled by his fear. Luke not defining himself by a mistake. Hux learning what materials First Order vehicles are made of. I think the problem with you guys is that you want more Star Wars movies staring Luke. That continuation of RotJ where it is from his point of view. He's the Obi Wan character in that he is passing it on to the next generation. Same with Han and Leia. If you didn't get that in The Force Awakens then you guys are lost. None of these movies will ever be good to you because you aren't going to get that. They made Luke someone that he is not according to who he was in the OT. It's not too much to ask for the characterization of the OT stars to be honored and have them step out of the limelight with integrity to the character. They just don't care. Luke is also 30 years older and broken. But you can see that old Luke pop out a lot in the movie. Luke being a lone Jedi and having to train a new generation alone had no support for failing. He couldn't handle it. And from this movie, his support didn't come until much later. You see what happened when his support did show up. His characterization was on point. He just wasn't the EU Luke that had continued stories to rely on.
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 16, 2017 0:43:18 GMT
It's not about what you wanted. For the hero Luke to come out and be 25 again. He's not that character anymore and they tell you that the moment he gets the lightsaber. I mean, they do tell you that the title of the movie is not Luke. And you want a positive development of a character? Rey letting go of her past. Poe becoming the leader (not hero) he is suppose to be. Finn not being ruled by his fear. Luke not defining himself by a mistake. Hux learning what materials First Order vehicles are made of. I think the problem with you guys is that you want more Star Wars movies staring Luke. That continuation of RotJ where it is from his point of view. He's the Obi Wan character in that he is passing it on to the next generation. Same with Han and Leia. If you didn't get that in The Force Awakens then you guys are lost. None of these movies will ever be good to you because you aren't going to get that. No, sorry, you couldn't be more wrong about me. I've never liked Luke. Rey let go of her past? WHAT PAST?!? Poe became a leader? Of what? There's nothing left. Finn wasn't ruled by his fear? He started the movie off by trying to run like a coward again. What are you talking about? The only fear he has left to face is that toad who's fallen in love with him and trying to escape anymore of her awkward sexual harassment. Luke never would have acted the way he did in this movie. It was completely at odds with his past character development and the astral projection scene was a complete disaster, also spitting in the face of established lore. The thing that was holding Rey back was that she was looking for and waiting on her parents. She had that Harry Potter moment of wanting to see them. She let go of that when Kylo told her about herself. She got better after that. There is a small group left. But anyway. It's not about becoming a leader of a thing, but a leader in person. The point is for them to rebuild the Rebellion. The entire movie had them drilling into Poe not to be a hero, but to be a leader. He learned that at the escape and it shows at the base. Finn was ruled by his fear until he saw Phasma. He got over that fear when he looked at her and called himself "Rebel scum". And Rose kissed him because, to her, she was dead. There was nothing wrong with the projection scene. They create new abilities all the time in the EU. You are talking about a character broken and 30 years older than the last time you saw him. A guy that took it upon himself decades later to train a dozen Force sensitives alone. A rookie Jedi Master. With no Jedi support to help him. He had no one to go to for guidance on the matter. It broke him when it didn't go right and he was told so.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Dec 16, 2017 0:47:45 GMT
Or... Hear me out... Or this movie was not about Luke. He is of the old guard and was only there to give context on Kylo. To be a point of view on an event. He was not there to be Obi Wan Kenobi and fight his old pupil to the death. Luke had his time and it was 2 episodes ago. Except the entire post production really hyped the idea that Luke would dual Kylo. There was even rumors and concept art (unless that was fake) of Luke and Rey fighting Kylo together.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 1:03:04 GMT
No, sorry, you couldn't be more wrong about me. I've never liked Luke. Rey let go of her past? WHAT PAST?!? Poe became a leader? Of what? There's nothing left. Finn wasn't ruled by his fear? He started the movie off by trying to run like a coward again. What are you talking about? The only fear he has left to face is that toad who's fallen in love with him and trying to escape anymore of her awkward sexual harassment. Luke never would have acted the way he did in this movie. It was completely at odds with his past character development and the astral projection scene was a complete disaster, also spitting in the face of established lore. ProfileThere is a small group left. But anyway. It's not about becoming a leader of a thing, but a leader in person. The point is for them to rebuild the Rebellion You know, I'm glad you brought that up, because that was another major failure of this movie. Did Rian Johnson even view TFA once before he started making this movie? They're called THE RESISTANCE. There is NO REBELLION in this movie. That was the OT. Yes there was and you're missing the point. I have no problem with them introducing astral projection, in fact, I applaud that decision. The problem I have with it is that characters in the EU did this all the time and it didn't "sap them" of their very lives. I don't care that it wasn't thoroughly discussed or explained. That's fine too. What's not fine is acting like using that power took so much energy to perform that Luke died from it. That spits in the face of the ho-hum way it was used by characters in the EU. Even if they decided to change how astral projection works in new canon, fine, I got no problem with that either, unless, of course, it results in death. That just made no sense whatsoever. It was an idiot coming up with an idiotic way to kill off an old hero because that idiot doesn't know jack shit about Star Wars. It was a miserable failure.
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 16, 2017 1:18:38 GMT
There is a small group left. But anyway. It's not about becoming a leader of a thing, but a leader in person. The point is for them to rebuild the Rebellion You know, I'm glad you brought that up, because that was another major failure of this movie. Did Rian Johnson even view TFA once before he started making this movie? They're called THE RESISTANCE. There is NO REBELLION in this movie. That was the OT. Yes there was and you're missing the point. I have no problem with them introducing astral projection, in fact, I applaud that decision. The problem I have with it is that characters in the EU did this all the time and it didn't "sap them" of their very lives. I don't care that it wasn't thoroughly discussed or explained. That's fine too. What's not fine is acting like using that power took so much energy to perform that Luke died from it. That spits in the face of the ho-hum way it was used by characters in the EU. Even if they decided to change how astral projection works in new canon, fine, I got no problem with that either, unless, of course, it results in death. That just made no sense whatsoever. It was an idiot coming up with an idiotic way to kill off an old hero because that idiot doesn't know jack shit about Star Wars. It was a miserable failure. They were rebranding themselves because they were rebelling against the First Order who were about to take over the galaxy. So yeah it fits. Corellian Jedi in the EU were the only ones that had that ability (unless they changed that). It was a trade off because they didn't have telekinesis. Wait... did you cry? I mean... "kill off an old hero". I mean he went out on his own terms being a hero. And died with the Force. And I'm sure he will Force ghost his way back into episode 9. No worries, kid.
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 16, 2017 1:23:32 GMT
Or... Hear me out... Or this movie was not about Luke. He is of the old guard and was only there to give context on Kylo. To be a point of view on an event. He was not there to be Obi Wan Kenobi and fight his old pupil to the death. Luke had his time and it was 2 episodes ago. Except the entire post production really hyped the idea that Luke would dual Kylo. There was even rumors and concept art (unless that was fake) of Luke and Rey fighting Kylo together. Ah the old misdirection or unused concepts. You know there was concept art of the alien ship for X-men Apocalypse? Yeah. That wasn't in the movie. Concept art for A New Hope. There were no Stormtroopers using lightsabers in that movie. Or, hell, none using shields.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 1:24:49 GMT
You know, I'm glad you brought that up, because that was another major failure of this movie. Did Rian Johnson even view TFA once before he started making this movie? They're called THE RESISTANCE. There is NO REBELLION in this movie. That was the OT. Yes there was and you're missing the point. I have no problem with them introducing astral projection, in fact, I applaud that decision. The problem I have with it is that characters in the EU did this all the time and it didn't "sap them" of their very lives. I don't care that it wasn't thoroughly discussed or explained. That's fine too. What's not fine is acting like using that power took so much energy to perform that Luke died from it. That spits in the face of the ho-hum way it was used by characters in the EU. Even if they decided to change how astral projection works in new canon, fine, I got no problem with that either, unless, of course, it results in death. That just made no sense whatsoever. It was an idiot coming up with an idiotic way to kill off an old hero because that idiot doesn't know jack shit about Star Wars. It was a miserable failure. They were rebranding themselves because they were rebelling against the First Order who were about to take over the galaxy. So yeah it fits. Corellian Jedi in the EU were the only ones that had that ability (unless they changed that). It was a trade off because they didn't have telekinesis. Wait... did you cry? I mean... "kill off an old hero". I mean he went out on his own terms being a hero. And died with the Force. And I'm sure he will Force ghost his way back into episode 9. No worries, kid. No, Sith used astral projection too, and they didn't so much as sweat when they were done. Did I cry? No, but I feel like it. And not because Luke died. That was to be expected, and as I've previously stated, I've never been a fan of Luke. He's not even top 15 on my list of SW characters. I'm upset because the movie was terrible and it both ruined TFA and any potential for future films. If TLJ had sucked, but its suckiness was able to be contained in one film, I wouldn't be as upset. But this movie fucked the future of the franchise. You'll see. Box offices sales in weeks 2, 3, 4, etc. won't match (even relatively-speaking...first movie vs. sequel) what TFA did and Ep. IX is going to make about half of what TLJ will make. I hope Rian Johnson isn't getting too comfortable with the idea of directing the next trilogy, because by the time Disney counts down the depressing sales for Ep. IX, there ain't gonna be a new trilogy, kid.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 16, 2017 2:08:59 GMT
They couldnt have a strong positive white male character (as I have said over and over). They have to fail.
Even in the OT this was the message, but it was far more subtle. Lando was the successful action hero--he blew up a Death Star without the Force.
Luke couldnt do it without the Force and Han shooting Vader in the back. Han needed to be rescued.
Same with the Prequels. Mace Windu was the real hero, and two white guys had to betray him to defeat him.
Obi Wan fails as a teacher and friend.
What we are seeing is the Liberal agenda of the 60s reaching its zenith with strong black men and multiculturalism and women as leaders.
And the Wall Street owners do not care because they have money-this isn't about making money--its about propaganda distribution. The movie is a vehicle transmitting propaganda. That is how Wall Street Disney sees it.
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 16, 2017 2:19:22 GMT
They were rebranding themselves because they were rebelling against the First Order who were about to take over the galaxy. So yeah it fits. Corellian Jedi in the EU were the only ones that had that ability (unless they changed that). It was a trade off because they didn't have telekinesis. Wait... did you cry? I mean... "kill off an old hero". I mean he went out on his own terms being a hero. And died with the Force. And I'm sure he will Force ghost his way back into episode 9. No worries, kid. No, Sith used astral projection too, and they didn't so much as sweat when they were done. Did I cry? No, but I feel like it. And not because Luke died. That was to be expected, and as I've previously stated, I've never been a fan of Luke. He's not even top 15 on my list of SW characters. I'm upset because the movie was terrible and it both ruined TFA and any potential for future films. If TLJ had sucked, but its suckiness was able to be contained in one film, I wouldn't be as upset. But this movie fucked the future of the franchise. You'll see. Box offices sales in weeks 2, 3, 4, etc. won't match (even relatively-speaking...first movie vs. sequel) what TFA did and Ep. IX is going to make about half of what TLJ will make. I hope Rian Johnson isn't getting too comfortable with the idea of directing the next trilogy, because by the time Disney counts down the depressing sales for Ep. IX, there ain't gonna be a new trilogy, kid. How did it ruin the potential for future films?
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