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Post by goz on Feb 1, 2018 3:20:15 GMT
goz ....there is not "whether you call it a religion or the races than are Islamic" That is the entire bloody point. It makes no difference what race the person is. Are you being racist when you complain about Christians because there are lots of black Christians in the USA? You continue to conflate race and religion which is why you "don't care" aboutt he attitudes to women and gays in the Islamic communities. Its why you refuse to address the ex Muslims asking us not to use the term "Islamophobia." I have never conflated Islam with brown or black people. Know who Abdullah Elmir is? A white Australian convert who joined ISIS. Am I okay to condemn his beliefs as he is white? Holy shit. What other group of dissidents? DO you think there are gangs of radical Jews stalking our streets with Trucks of Peace? We have 23,000 suspected and 3000 known terrorists in the UK. All Islamic. Are you telling me this is good enough? This costs us around £4,000,000,000 per year or about half what we spend on law enforcement. Don't tell me what is happening in my country Goz, you have no idea. You defend Islam every single time you use the term "Islamophobia" because it makes no distinction between criticism of Islam, or racism or anti Muslim bigotry. The Qur'an says to kill gays and Jews. IT tells Muslims to segregate. It tells us women are made to be more stupid than men. Sharia Law uses corporal punishment for adultery, which can be applied to women even if they are raped. You allow this to be ignored by screaming "Islamophobia" everytime a a person mentions Islam. Listen to this Bangladeshi (they are brown by the way)
You said the ideas of Muslims didn't matter because they were a minority. Yes that is pathetic, but it was your argument not mine. Oh dear! You dig a deeper Islamophobe hole with every post. You are fooling no-one about your views. It is YOU conflating race and religion with Islam yet you manage to include ALL Muslims as scary people wrecking your country. You are truly pathetic
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 2, 2018 18:01:07 GMT
tpfkar goz Discriminate "to make a distinction in favor of or against a person or thing on the basis of the group, class, or category to which the person or thing belongs rather than according to actual merit; show partiality:" Right. So I don't then. Because my opposition to Islam is based on the merits of Islam. All the time, with your caricatured version of extremes that you use to attempt to apply policies to entire classes. That's before getting to your bemoaning of how Asian & African things are becoming. There is a serious problem within the Muslim Asian community when it comes to the sexual abuse of young girls(mainly white).
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Post by thorshairspray on Feb 3, 2018 3:41:48 GMT
gozExplain please how I have conflated the idea of Islam with race. Feel free to show examples. My guess is you will simply repeat your claim like usual. Please, please prove me wrong.
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Post by goz on Feb 3, 2018 7:08:55 GMT
goz Explain please how I have conflated the idea of Islam with race. Feel free to show examples. My guess is you will simply repeat your claim like usual. Please, please prove me wrong. In your view...the followers of Islam in your country are not ' white British' and are so scary with their ideas from dangerous bad Islam. That, and that they will over-populate and swamp you and your fellow Brits and even the whole of Europe. Your mantra on a constant and continuing basis.
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Post by phludowin on Feb 3, 2018 10:05:32 GMT
goz Explain please how I have conflated the idea of Islam with race. Feel free to show examples. My guess is you will simply repeat your claim like usual. Please, please prove me wrong. Allow me to show this example. You said: Whatever you think of me doesn't really matter, Goz, but there is one thing you and Flim Flam really, really need to understand. Every time you throw out the word "Islamophobia" you help marginalise these people because you conflate race with religion. You make it harder for them by protecting the religion that is the source of their fear and misery. Because you make the 95% of the nation that isn't Muslim afraid to speak on their behalf for fear of the racist label. Hell, even Muslims like Maajid Nawaz and Mohammad Tawhidi have been labelled "Anti Muslim Extremists" because they are reformers. Ex Muslims such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali are labelled the same for criticising Islam. Islam is not a race. You said so yourself, rightfully. Therefore, Islamophobia (an extreme dislike or fear of Islam) is not racism. And yet, you say that people who accuse others of "Islamophobia" are conflating race with religion. In other words: You are heavily implying that Islamophobia is about race, and therefore you are the one conflating race and religion. You can be islamophobic without being racist (like the people whose Tweets you shared), and you can be racist without being islamophobic (like some Islamists).
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Post by thorshairspray on Feb 3, 2018 14:42:38 GMT
goz Explain please how I have conflated the idea of Islam with race. Feel free to show examples. My guess is you will simply repeat your claim like usual. Please, please prove me wrong. In your view...the followers of Islam in your country are not ' white British' and are so scary with their ideas from dangerous bad Islam. That, and that they will over-populate and swamp you and your fellow Brits and even the whole of Europe. Your mantra on a constant and continuing basis. Seriously, you are simply making things up now. I'm not interested in your opinion of what you think I think. I asked you to support your claim that I conflate race with religion. Goz, simply repeating accusations is not support for those accusations, you get that, right...
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Post by thorshairspray on Feb 3, 2018 14:53:18 GMT
goz Explain please how I have conflated the idea of Islam with race. Feel free to show examples. My guess is you will simply repeat your claim like usual. Please, please prove me wrong. Allow me to show this example. You said: Whatever you think of me doesn't really matter, Goz, but there is one thing you and Flim Flam really, really need to understand. Every time you throw out the word "Islamophobia" you help marginalise these people because you conflate race with religion. You make it harder for them by protecting the religion that is the source of their fear and misery. Because you make the 95% of the nation that isn't Muslim afraid to speak on their behalf for fear of the racist label. Hell, even Muslims like Maajid Nawaz and Mohammad Tawhidi have been labelled "Anti Muslim Extremists" because they are reformers. Ex Muslims such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali are labelled the same for criticising Islam. Islam is not a race. You said so yourself, rightfully. Therefore, Islamophobia (an extreme dislike or fear of Islam) is not racism. And yet, you say that people who accuse others of "Islamophobia" are conflating race with religion. In other words: You are heavily implying that Islamophobia is about race, and therefore you are the one conflating race and religion. You can be islamophobic without being racist (like the people whose Tweets you shared), and you can be racist without being islamophobic (like some Islamists). Huh? Islamophobia does indeed conflate race with religion. The fact that people like Goz and FLim Flam throw it out everytime I challenge Islam doesn't make me a racist. It makes them racists. Look at Goz response to the polls on Muslim views on homosexuality..."It doesn't matter" because they are only 5% of the population. Both her and Flim Flam have attempted in this thread to twist my argument to make it about race, to the point where Flim Flam has outright lied about what I said. Its pathetic. Ofsted have recently come down on several Islamic schools in the UK because the schools were teaching kids that women should only be wives and mothers, that Muslims should not associate with British people and that Jews were involved in a global conspiracy. Guess what people said? "Islamophobia" Well go figure I don't want a generation raised to hate Jews and consider women second class citizens.
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 3, 2018 18:55:02 GMT
I have never conflated Islam with brown or black people. Know who Abdullah Elmir is? A white Australian convert who joined ISIS. Am I okay to condemn his beliefs as he is white? You just characterize entire communities as especially bad when they have similar problems as the wider population. And you bemoan how demographics are going "Asian and African". And of course, ISIS ≠ Islam. You have 3000 "known" terrorists that are left to roam the streets? Sounds like a pretty inept bunch over there. Or more likely, some more of your self-described "bombastic prick"ing again. Canada, North Americas Sweden
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