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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Dec 28, 2017 0:50:27 GMT
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Post by Isapop on Dec 28, 2017 1:18:01 GMT
I wonder if some eager evangelical Billy Graham type sensing an opening were to pitch his tent over there, how would he do?
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 28, 2017 1:51:12 GMT
No it won'r, Christianity will simply be replaced by Islam.
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Post by gadreel on Dec 28, 2017 2:01:05 GMT
That is just Anglicans.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 2:49:12 GMT
This must be why the government is so keen to replace the lost native religion with conservative Islam. Also because the Muslims are brown and skepticism of the claims of Islam is being conflated with racism, I predict that it will eventually be illegal to publicly express skepticism of religion, or at least Islam. Most Muslims favour a blasphemy law, and this seems to be the way that culture is trending in Britain.
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Post by tickingmask on Dec 28, 2017 12:28:03 GMT
Religion in the UK will disappear in any sort of meaningful way within 50 years. How do you come to that conclusion? According to the graphs in the article you link, around 30% of 18-24 year olds have some religious affiliation or other. You've taken an article about Anglicanism (which, let's face it, has been on the decline since the 1950s so hardly breaking news) and extrapolated it to apply to organised religion in general. Is there any logical reason why, or is it just based on wishful thinking?
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Dec 28, 2017 12:38:57 GMT
Religion in the UK will disappear in any sort of meaningful way within 50 years. How do you come to that conclusion? According to the graphs in the article you link, around 30% of 18-24 year olds have some religious affiliation or other. You've taken an article about Anglicanism (which, let's face it, has been on the decline since the 1950s so hardly breaking news) and extrapolated it to apply to organised religion in general. Is there any logical reason why, or is it just based on wishful thinking? I'm basing it on the "No Religion" data. The youngest group is now up to over 70%. The only group that is coming close to staying stable are the Catholics and even they are declining. So not "wishful thinking". But "data".
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Post by tickingmask on Dec 28, 2017 12:53:00 GMT
So not "wishful thinking". But "data". But the "data" doesn't support your wild extrapolations at all. That's kind of my point. For example, and as others have already pointed out, the proportion of Muslims in the UK has grown considerably.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 28, 2017 13:25:59 GMT
Religion in the UK will disappear in any sort of meaningful way within 50 years. How do you come to that conclusion? According to the graphs in the article you link, around 30% of 18-24 year olds have some religious affiliation or other. You've taken an article about Anglicanism (which, let's face it, has been on the decline since the 1950s so hardly breaking news) and extrapolated it to apply to organised religion in general. Is there any logical reason why, or is it just based on wishful thinking? Opie has been saying this for years. Fortunately, he is not equating decline in organized religion with atheism, so this is an improvement.
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Post by tickingmask on Dec 28, 2017 14:21:48 GMT
Opie has been saying this for years. Fortunately, he is not equating decline in organized religion with atheism, so this is an improvement. Yeah, Opie does seem to have a bit of a hard-on about the declining numbers of Anglicans and making wild, unsubstantiated claims about the impact of this on organised religion in general. I personally think the decline is unfortunate since, for all its faults, the CoE is one of the more liberal and tolerant churches around. People moan about the 26 bishops in the House of Lords, but at least they usually vote in favour of equal rights and opportunities and are substantially left-leaning when it comes down to social issues. If push came to shove, would I really want to see them replaced by 26 imams? Let me think about that one for a while.
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Post by clusium on Dec 28, 2017 14:32:04 GMT
Yes, & there is only one way to save the Anglican Church - by reuniting with the Catholic Church (the only reason the Anglican Church even exists, is because a certain king wanted to divorce his first wife, anyway). However, since the Anglican Church ordains women as priests, they will not want to do this.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 28, 2017 14:50:31 GMT
Yes, & there is only one way to save the Anglican Church - by reuniting with the Catholic Church (the only reason the Anglican Church even exists, is because a certain king wanted to divorce his first wife, anyway). However, since the Anglican Church ordains women as priests, they will not want to do this. Yeah, it's not that simple to merge two completely different belief systems. Any religion that cannot maintain it's followers should die out. There also shouldn't be a close relationship between governments and religions.
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Post by clusium on Dec 28, 2017 19:33:54 GMT
Yes, & there is only one way to save the Anglican Church - by reuniting with the Catholic Church (the only reason the Anglican Church even exists, is because a certain king wanted to divorce his first wife, anyway). However, since the Anglican Church ordains women as priests, they will not want to do this. Yeah, it's not that simple to merge two completely different belief systems. Any religion that cannot maintain it's followers should die out. There also shouldn't be a close relationship between governments and religions. Actually Anglicanism is very similar to Catholicism.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 28, 2017 19:40:52 GMT
Yeah, it's not that simple to merge two completely different belief systems. Any religion that cannot maintain it's followers should die out. There also shouldn't be a close relationship between governments and religions. Actually Anglicanism is very similar to Catholicism. I have no doubts about that, but they aren't similar enough without major compromise. Who will budge from women ministers and divorce? What true religion would waste time compromising on their truths in the first place?
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Post by goz on Dec 28, 2017 20:02:15 GMT
Whilst featuring Anglicanism, the article assessed religion in general in the UK.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 28, 2017 20:07:43 GMT
It's actually kinda weird that people presume that 18-24 year old are the smartest demographic.
What if there as stupid as previous generations of 18-24 year olds?
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Post by goz on Dec 28, 2017 20:07:53 GMT
Yes, & there is only one way to save the Anglican Church - by reuniting with the Catholic Church (the only reason the Anglican Church even exists, is because a certain king wanted to divorce his first wife, anyway). However, since the Anglican Church ordains women as priests, they will not want to do this. This reminds me of a joke. 'Marilyn Monroe and George Bernard Shaw were at a party. She sashayed up to him and said breathily..." Mr Shaw. You are considered so clever and I am considered so beautiful. We should get together and make a baby". He replied " Yes, my dear, butt what if it had MY looks and YOUR brain"? My point being that it would be wonderful if, in such a reunion, that the Catholic Church took on board the more 'liberal' qualities of much of the Anglican church such as ordination of women, married clergy, acceptance of homosexuals, birth control and divorce etc BUTT what if the reverse occurred?
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Post by clusium on Dec 28, 2017 20:19:31 GMT
Yes, & there is only one way to save the Anglican Church - by reuniting with the Catholic Church (the only reason the Anglican Church even exists, is because a certain king wanted to divorce his first wife, anyway). However, since the Anglican Church ordains women as priests, they will not want to do this. This reminds me of a joke. 'Marilyn Monroe and George Bernard Shaw were at a party. She sashayed up to him and said breathily..." Mr Shaw. You are considered so clever and I am considered so beautiful. We should get together and make a baby". He replied " Yes, my dear, butt what if it had MY looks and YOUR brain"? My point being that it would be wonderful if, in such a reunion, that the Catholic Church took on board the more 'liberal' qualities of much of the Anglican church such as ordination of women, married clergy, acceptance of homosexuals, birth control and divorce etc BUTT what if the reverse occurred? As I already mentioned - due to the fact that the Anglican Church ordains women, they will not want to reunite with the Catholic Church.
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Post by goz on Dec 28, 2017 20:25:51 GMT
This reminds me of a joke. 'Marilyn Monroe and George Bernard Shaw were at a party. She sashayed up to him and said breathily..." Mr Shaw. You are considered so clever and I am considered so beautiful. We should get together and make a baby". He replied " Yes, my dear, butt what if it had MY looks and YOUR brain"? My point being that it would be wonderful if, in such a reunion, that the Catholic Church took on board the more 'liberal' qualities of much of the Anglican church such as ordination of women, married clergy, acceptance of homosexuals, birth control and divorce etc BUTT what if the reverse occurred? As I already mentioned - due to the fact that the Anglican Church ordains women, they will not want to reunite with the Catholic Church. That's a shame, along with the other reforms that are necessary and long overdue.
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Post by THawk on Dec 29, 2017 13:21:37 GMT
Where materialism reigns supreme, people become deceived and abandon spirituality. That's the common factor. The more material possessions you have, the thicker the physical veil becomes, the harder it is to see the other side. But all that comes crashing down when your candle extinguishes and you realize just how incredibly short human life is compared to the vastness of eternity.
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