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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 13:49:05 GMT
Where materialism reigns supreme, people become deceived and abandon spirituality. That's the common factor. The more material possessions you have, the thicker the physical veil becomes, the harder it is to see the other side. But all that comes crashing down when your candle extinguishes and you realize just how incredibly short human life is compared to the vastness of eternity. People are more likely to embrace religion when they approach death. But perhaps they can be conditioned to realise that fear of the ephemerality of their existence is a completely irrational fear. |
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Post by Isapop on Dec 29, 2017 13:55:56 GMT
Where materialism reigns supreme, people become deceived and abandon spirituality. That's the common factor. The more material possessions you have, the thicker the physical veil becomes, the harder it is to see the other side. But all that comes crashing down when your candle extinguishes and you realize just how incredibly short human life is compared to the vastness of eternity. Realizing "just how incredibly short human life is" makes it all the sadder to see people waste it on devotion to legends and superstition. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 29, 2017 14:19:30 GMT
Where materialism reigns supreme, people become deceived and abandon spirituality. That's the common factor. The more material possessions you have, the thicker the physical veil becomes, the harder it is to see the other side. But all that comes crashing down when your candle extinguishes and you realize just how incredibly short human life is compared to the vastness of eternity. Realizing "just how incredibly short human life is" makes it all the sadder to see people waste it on devotion to legends and superstition. As opposed to pot, porn, Grand Theft Auto, Religion forums, & comedians? Bazinga! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 14:54:22 GMT
Realizing "just how incredibly short human life is" makes it all the sadder to see people waste it on devotion to legends and superstition. As opposed to pot, porn, Grand Theft Auto, Religion forums, & comedians? Bazinga! That's all life is for anyone. If you can afford those things, anyway. Religion is possibly a good thing to have for as long as you're able to continue lying to yourself; but that time may be at an end soon in societies with high standards of education. |
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Post by Isapop on Dec 29, 2017 14:59:35 GMT
Realizing "just how incredibly short human life is" makes it all the sadder to see people waste it on devotion to legends and superstition. As opposed to pot, porn, Grand Theft Auto, Religion forums, & comedians? Bazinga! And if someone's religion teaches them that those things are what life without religion consists of, it only underlines how impoverished religious instruction is. |
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Post by THawk on Dec 29, 2017 17:11:17 GMT
Where materialism reigns supreme, people become deceived and abandon spirituality. That's the common factor. The more material possessions you have, the thicker the physical veil becomes, the harder it is to see the other side. But all that comes crashing down when your candle extinguishes and you realize just how incredibly short human life is compared to the vastness of eternity. People are more likely to embrace religion when they approach death. But perhaps they can be conditioned to realise that fear of the ephemerality of their existence is a completely irrational fear. And also when they are poor or sick. I don't find this to be evidence against faith at all, however. Because in the end, those conditions are the actual truth of our reality. We are always close to death; material things allow us to forget about that for awhile. We are born with nothing in this world, and all the possessions we gain are temporary and fleeting. But when you realize that you own nothing and stare death in the face - that is when the reality of existence shines upon your soul. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 29, 2017 17:13:17 GMT
As opposed to pot, porn, Grand Theft Auto, Religion forums, & comedians? Bazinga! That's all life is for anyone. If you can afford those things, anyway. Religion is possibly a good thing to have for as long as you're able to continue lying to yourself; but that time may be at an end soon in societies with high standards of education. Education leads to pot, porn, Grand Theft Auto, Religion forums, & comedians? Anyway, I have never lied to myself. Come to think about it, I have never lied to you and you aren't even important to me. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 29, 2017 17:14:10 GMT
As opposed to pot, porn, Grand Theft Auto, Religion forums, & comedians? Bazinga! And if someone's religion teaches them that those things are what life without religion consists of, it only underlines how impoverished religious instruction is. Well, to be clear you're the one that is defining what religion means to someone. I'm just making fun of you for being so presumptuous...aka stupid. |
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Post by Isapop on Dec 29, 2017 18:19:19 GMT
And if someone's religion teaches them that those things are what life without religion consists of, it only underlines how impoverished religious instruction is. Well, to be clear you're the one that is defining what religion means to someone. I'm just making fun of you for being so presumptuous...aka stupid. Nowhere have I attempted to define what someone's religion means to them. Your comment here is just another of your far too familiar attempts to deceive your way out of another of a series of boxes you talk yourself into. |
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Post by tickingmask on Dec 29, 2017 22:03:29 GMT
And if someone's religion teaches them that those things are what life without religion consists of, it only underlines how impoverished religious instruction is. You've managed to miss the point completely. Why should it be any sadder to see people waste their short life on devotion to legends and superstition than on pot, porn, Grand Theft Auto, Religion forums, & comedians? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 29, 2017 23:26:47 GMT
Well, to be clear you're the one that is defining what religion means to someone. I'm just making fun of you for being so presumptuous...aka stupid. Nowhere have I attempted to define what someone's religion means to them. Your comment here is just another of your far too familiar attempts to deceive your way out of another of a series of boxes you talk yourself into. Knowing you as well as I do, I can understand why saying something this stupid would not be considered a big deal to you. |
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Post by Isapop on Dec 29, 2017 23:28:19 GMT
And if someone's religion teaches them that those things are what life without religion consists of, it only underlines how impoverished religious instruction is. You've managed to miss the point completely. Why should it be any sadder to see people waste their short life on devotion to legends and superstition than on pot, porn, Grand Theft Auto, Religion forums, & comedians? No, you've managed to miss the sequence of discussion completely. On this thread about more people forsaking religion, innsmouth said that people regret abandoning spirituality when they realize that life is short, and I replied that the shortness of life makes it sadder to see it wasted on devotion to legends. It may be just as sad to waste it on pot, porn, etc, but I made no such comparison. That was the false choice that was then offered by coolJGS, not me. And my comment that you quoted shows that I rejected his distorted and constricted view of a secular life.
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Post by tickingmask on Dec 30, 2017 0:26:29 GMT
And my comment that you quoted shows that I rejected his distorted and constricted view of a secular life. Actually I think if you read it through again, you might find that it was his comment that showed that he rejected your distorted and constricted view of a religious life. After all, why waste your time on a lifetime of devotion when you could be doing much more exciting stuff instead, like posting on a religious message board? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 9:02:49 GMT
That's all life is for anyone. If you can afford those things, anyway. Religion is possibly a good thing to have for as long as you're able to continue lying to yourself; but that time may be at an end soon in societies with high standards of education. Education leads to pot, porn, Grand Theft Auto, Religion forums, & comedians? Anyway, I have never lied to myself. Come to think about it, I have never lied to you and you aren't even important to me. That pretty much is what education leads to; because life is mostly defined by staving off suffering and deprivation with whatever diversions one can find. If you aren't lying to yourself now, you soon will be. Christians will likely be a minority group where you live at some point within your lifetime. Those types of beliefs cannot hold without having the majority of people in the population consenting to treat them as though they are true. |
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Post by Isapop on Dec 30, 2017 12:38:23 GMT
Nowhere have I attempted to define what someone's religion means to them. Your comment here is just another of your far too familiar attempts to deceive your way out of another of a series of boxes you talk yourself into. Knowing you as well as I do, I can understand why saying something this stupid would not be considered a big deal to you. Anyone not willfully mischaracterizing my words sees that I was defining what religion means to ME, and not (as you accused) defining what someone's religion means to them.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 1, 2018 19:15:21 GMT
Yes, & there is only one way to save the Anglican Church - by reuniting with the Catholic Church (the only reason the Anglican Church even exists, is because a certain king wanted to divorce his first wife, anyway). However, since the Anglican Church ordains women as priests, they will not want to do this. or destroying the catholics and letting the good ones become anglicans. |
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Post by gadreel on Jan 1, 2018 19:16:48 GMT
Whilst featuring Anglicanism, the article assessed religion in general in the UK. The misleading percentage applies to just anglicans, it was presented in the OP and being blanket. |
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Post by clusium on Jan 1, 2018 19:31:06 GMT
Yes, & there is only one way to save the Anglican Church - by reuniting with the Catholic Church (the only reason the Anglican Church even exists, is because a certain king wanted to divorce his first wife, anyway). However, since the Anglican Church ordains women as priests, they will not want to do this. or destroying the catholics and letting the good ones become anglicans. Ain't gonna happen. The Catholic Church has been around since Christ Chose St. Peter as His Rock (St. Matthew chapter 16). The only reason the Anglican Church exists, is because Henry VIII wanted to divorce Katherine of Aragorn, anyway. |
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Jan 1, 2018 23:19:32 GMT
So not "wishful thinking". But "data". But the "data" doesn't support your wild extrapolations at all. That's kind of my point. For example, and as others have already pointed out, the proportion of Muslims in the UK has grown considerably. The proportion of Muslims (in the 18-24 bracket anyway) doesn't appear to have "grown considerably". "Other Religions" in that age group are half the level of the next age group up. In fact - belief in all of the identified religious groups is down in that age groups. Which helps contribute to the 70% with "No Religion". There is no way to spin this data to come to any conclusion other than the youngest generation are considerably less likely to believe in a religion than any of the older generations. |
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Post by politicidal on Jan 2, 2018 19:47:29 GMT
So I guess the position for the Archbishop of Canterbury is soon to become an obsolete title?
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