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Post by goz on Jan 31, 2018 20:49:09 GMT
Yes there is domestic vio Sorry, your first link wouldn't open for me...something international ... and the second one...are you serious? The Telegraph? Under the topic heading or 'Men'? Yes there is domestic violence on both sides butt to claim that women are more 'controlling' is absurd, though we should perhaps make some sort of definition of what 'controlling' means. It is probably too hard to define that would satisfy both of us, butt there is much evidence here that domestic violence which results in injury and death is overwhelmingly a male on female situation and male on children. I am not even going to answer the infanticide thing because it is such a special case with so many different issues, that it actually does you no justice to have brought it up under the heading of 'controlling women'.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jan 31, 2018 21:49:52 GMT
Thanks. Is that an acronym? My Other Temporary Human? Mr(s) Oh-my Titillating Honey? Man Of The House Ah, thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 21:53:24 GMT
I dunno. Do we really need to police every little thing that people do (whether consciously or unconsciously)? If someone is being rude or acting like a jerk, then call them out on it. But it's gotta be tiring to get so offended by EVERYTHING that people do.
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Post by goz on Jan 31, 2018 21:54:02 GMT
...though I did like Mr Oh-my Titillating Honey.
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Post by thorshairspray on Feb 1, 2018 0:51:01 GMT
Yes there is domestic vio Sorry, your first link wouldn't open for me...something international ... and the second one...are you serious? The Telegraph? Under the topic heading or 'Men'? Yes there is domestic violence on both sides butt to claim that women are more 'controlling' is absurd, though we should perhaps make some sort of definition of what 'controlling' means. It is probably too hard to define that would satisfy both of us, butt there is much evidence here that domestic violence which results in injury and death is overwhelmingly a male on female situation and male on children. I am not even going to answer the infanticide thing because it is such a special case with so many different issues, that it actually does you no justice to have brought it up under the heading of 'controlling women'. The first link is Australian, Goz....The second link contains hyperlinks......To claim women are more controlling isn't absurd. Those links cite two seperate studies telling you it happens. Here is the paper clok.uclan.ac.uk/3146/1/Bates_Elizabeth_Final_e-Thesis_%28Master_Copy%29.pdfSerious violence is usually male on female, but not exclusively. For example, in Australia a man dies every ten days due to domestic violence in comparison with a woman every six days. Against children, it is women again. This isn't relevant to the point I made. And I didn't bring up infanticide under the banner of controlling women. I used it as an entirely separate example......Mother kill children far more than fathers. Is it fair to call this a gendered crime? If not why not?
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Post by goz on Feb 1, 2018 2:21:12 GMT
Yes there is domestic vioSorry, your first link wouldn't open for me...something international ... and the second one...are you serious? The Telegraph? Under the topic heading or 'Men'? Yes there is domestic violence on both sides butt to claim that women are more 'controlling' is absurd, though we should perhaps make some sort of definition of what 'controlling' means. It is probably too hard to define that would satisfy both of us, butt there is much evidence here that domestic violence which results in injury and death is overwhelmingly a male on female situation and male on children. I am not even going to answer the infanticide thing because it is such a special case with so many different issues, that it actually does you no justice to have brought it up under the heading of 'controlling women'. The first link is Australian, Goz....The second link contains hyperlinks......To claim women are more controlling isn't absurd. Those links cite two seperate studies telling you it happens. Here is the paper clok.uclan.ac.uk/3146/1/Bates_Elizabeth_Final_e-Thesis_%28Master_Copy%29.pdfSerious violence is usually male on female, but not exclusively. For example, in Australia a man dies every ten days due to domestic violence in comparison with a woman every six days. Against children, it is women again. This isn't relevant to the point I made. And I didn't bring up infanticide under the banner of controlling women. I used it as an entirely separate example......Mother kill children far more than fathers. Is it fair to call this a gendered crime? If not why not? This is the official website for domestic violence in Australia www.whiteribbon.org.au/understand-domestic-violence/facts-violence-women/domestic-violence-statistics/ Check out the official statistics page. To be fair www.theline.org.au/what-about-men The stats are still pro women and ALSO, much of the domestic violence against men is in retribution for prolonged and systematic domestic violence against women. Some women have no other alternative butt to kill their abusive partners
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Post by gadreel on Feb 1, 2018 2:28:23 GMT
The first link is Australian, Goz....The second link contains hyperlinks......To claim women are more controlling isn't absurd. Those links cite two seperate studies telling you it happens. Here is the paper clok.uclan.ac.uk/3146/1/Bates_Elizabeth_Final_e-Thesis_%28Master_Copy%29.pdfSerious violence is usually male on female, but not exclusively. For example, in Australia a man dies every ten days due to domestic violence in comparison with a woman every six days. Against children, it is women again. This isn't relevant to the point I made. And I didn't bring up infanticide under the banner of controlling women. I used it as an entirely separate example......Mother kill children far more than fathers. Is it fair to call this a gendered crime? If not why not? This is the official website for domestic violence in Australia www.whiteribbon.org.au/understand-domestic-violence/facts-violence-women/domestic-violence-statistics/ Check out the official statistics page. To be fair 85% of those statistics are about violence towards women, there are very few statistics on violence against men, and those that are are likely to be under-reported. Let me tell you how incredulous people are when I mention my past partner was emotionally abusive. Just to be clear I am not in any way belittling or trying to mitigate domestic abuse towards women, and I accept it is far more often men abusing women, but women do abuse men, and because of the physical disparity, that is often emotional abuse or another form of 'soft' abuse.
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Post by goz on Feb 1, 2018 2:47:12 GMT
To be fair 85% of those statistics are about violence towards women, there are very few statistics on violence against men, and those that are are likely to be under-reported. Let me tell you how incredulous people are when I mention my past partner was emotionally abusive. Just to be clear I am not in any way belittling or trying to mitigate domestic abuse towards women, and I accept it is far more often men abusing women, but women do abuse men, and because of the physical disparity, that is often emotional abuse or another form of 'soft' abuse. I did edit and add a link about male violence....same stats, though I do take your point. In your circumstances I can imagine it would be very difficult to isolate what is a feminie trait and what is the personality of the perpetrator and even harder to isolate the combination of your personalities, circumstances and the way your lives were interwoven. Like you, I don't want to underestimate women on male domestic violence, however the really catastrophic ones that impact on the whole family are the excessive combination of alcohol, aggressive behaviour and lack of control of a physically superior male and his ego.
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Post by thorshairspray on Feb 1, 2018 2:56:19 GMT
The first link is Australian, Goz....The second link contains hyperlinks......To claim women are more controlling isn't absurd. Those links cite two seperate studies telling you it happens. Here is the paper clok.uclan.ac.uk/3146/1/Bates_Elizabeth_Final_e-Thesis_%28Master_Copy%29.pdfSerious violence is usually male on female, but not exclusively. For example, in Australia a man dies every ten days due to domestic violence in comparison with a woman every six days. Against children, it is women again. This isn't relevant to the point I made. And I didn't bring up infanticide under the banner of controlling women. I used it as an entirely separate example......Mother kill children far more than fathers. Is it fair to call this a gendered crime? If not why not? This is the official website for domestic violence in Australia www.whiteribbon.org.au/understand-domestic-violence/facts-violence-women/domestic-violence-statistics/ Check out the official statistics page. To be fair www.theline.org.au/what-about-men The stats are still pro women and ALSO, much of the domestic violence against men is in retribution for prolonged and systematic domestic violence against women. Some women have no other alternative butt to kill their abusive partners Firstly, why in the name of Christ do you always spell "but" wrong? Secondly, I was not talking about domestic violence. I was talking about controlling behaviour, a type of abuse that isn't violence.
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Post by goz on Feb 1, 2018 3:06:58 GMT
I Firstly, why in the name of Christ do you always spell "but" wrong? Secondly, I was not talking about domestic violence. I was talking about controlling behaviour, a type of abuse that isn't violence. I have done it nearly all the years (15) that I was IMDb as a personal 'in' joke with a hilarious poster called 'Witchy' and I continue it as an affectation. I DO have to be careful when I write official emails and in my book, however LOL. In terms of controlling behaviour, it would firstly be incredibly difficult to get a workable universal testable definition of what 'controlling behaviour' is, as I said to Gad and EVEN more difficult to design statistically reliable scientific studies, so this is meaningless. The whole issue is too subjective and with far too many variables and lack of controls.
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Post by thorshairspray on Feb 1, 2018 3:09:57 GMT
I Firstly, why in the name of Christ do you always spell "but" wrong? Secondly, I was not talking about domestic violence. I was talking about controlling behaviour, a type of abuse that isn't violence. I have done it nearly all the years (15) that I was IMDb as a personal 'in' joke with a hilarious poster called 'Witchy' and I continue it as an affectation. I DO have to be careful when I write official emails and in my book, however LOL. In terms of controlling behaviour, it would firstly be incredibly difficult to get a workable universal testable definition of what 'controlling behaviour' is, as I said to Gad and EVEN more difficult to design statistically reliable scientific studies, so this is meaningless. The whole issue is too subjective and with far too many variables and lack of controls. Some scientists did it, are you more qualified than them?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 1, 2018 3:21:09 GMT
I Firstly, why in the name of Christ do you always spell "but" wrong? Secondly, I was not talking about domestic violence. I was talking about controlling behaviour, a type of abuse that isn't violence. I have done it nearly all the years (15) that I was IMDb as a personal 'in' joke with a hilarious poster called 'Witchy' and I continue it as an affectation. I DO have to be careful when I write official emails and in my book, however LOL. I didn't know the backstory (LOL), but FWIW, I like your butt (LOLOL).
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Post by goz on Feb 1, 2018 3:25:19 GMT
II have done it nearly all the years (15) that I was IMDb as a personal 'in' joke with a hilarious poster called 'Witchy' and I continue it as an affectation. I DO have to be careful when I write official emails and in my book, however LOL. In terms of controlling behaviour, it would firstly be incredibly difficult to get a workable universal testable definition of what 'controlling behaviour' is, as I said to Gad and EVEN more difficult to design statistically reliable scientific studies, so this is meaningless. The whole issue is too subjective and with far too many variables and lack of controls. Some scientists did it, are you more qualified than them? Who? and what were their qualifications and method. I said I didn't accept a study reported by the Telegraph in a section solely devoted to 'Men's Interests. I personally am not qualified, though I could run it by my sister who was a biometrician for 50 years for the Australian Government, designing experiments and analysing results in the biological sciences, if you like.
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Post by goz on Feb 1, 2018 3:28:13 GMT
II have done it nearly all the years (15) that I was IMDb as a personal 'in' joke with a hilarious poster called 'Witchy' and I continue it as an affectation. I DO have to be careful when I write official emails and in my book, however LOL. I didn't know the backstory (LOL), but FWIW, I like your butt (LOLOL). Thank you. You are not alone in liking my butt.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 1, 2018 3:36:56 GMT
My wife used to bitchsplain fucking everything, including my professional field. Why do we have to be sexists and call it mansplaining, when both genders do it. It's just called being a ***. Of course this is a valid point, however most men who consider this, often view it from a 'privileged' position of an inherent male sexism (often unconscious and conditioned) against women, their professionalism, their intellect, knowledge and their right to express these attributes fairly. How do we know that exactly? Wouldn't that be a sexist stereotype in itself?
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Post by goz on Feb 1, 2018 3:42:00 GMT
Of course this is a valid point, however most men who consider this, often view it from a 'privileged' position of an inherent male sexism (often unconscious and conditioned) against women, their professionalism, their intellect, knowledge and their right to express these attributes fairly. How do we know that exactly? Wouldn't that be a sexist stereotype in itself? Yes, and that in effect in the whole point. The pointing out of a previous sexist privileged position is of course sexist yet there is no other way to express it. Wanna try?
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 1, 2018 3:45:32 GMT
How do we know that exactly? Wouldn't that be a sexist stereotype in itself? Yes, and that in effect in the whole point. The pointing out of a previous sexist privileged position is of course sexist yet there is no other way to express it. Wanna try? You're missing my point. I'm not questioning whether being a man makes one "privileged" in society. I just want to know how you know how MOST MEN view something?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 3:50:01 GMT
No, I don't do this. I usually find it easier talking to women (this is likely partly due to me being homosexual).
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Post by goz on Feb 1, 2018 4:19:12 GMT
Yes, and that in effect in the whole point. The pointing out of a previous sexist privileged position is of course sexist yet there is no other way to express it. Wanna try? You're missing my point. I'm not questioning whether being a man makes one "privileged" in society. I just want to know how you know how MOST MEN view something? Fair point, however if you semantically take into account that I think I said 'most men often, is not as bad (in your eyes) as most men do that. Perhaps I should have said that 'some men often' or 'sometimes most men often.........or ......
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Feb 1, 2018 12:55:16 GMT
We recently went to buy a car and whilst we both use the car my wife is the main user as I get the train to work. And when we were at the showroom we explained this to the sales rep. My wife had lots of questions and without fail every single answer was directed to me - even after I repeatedly stated that they should be telling my wife not me.
We didn't buy the car there.
The salesperson was a woman.
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