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Post by gadreel on Feb 1, 2018 17:28:57 GMT
To be fair 85% of those statistics are about violence towards women, there are very few statistics on violence against men, and those that are are likely to be under-reported. Let me tell you how incredulous people are when I mention my past partner was emotionally abusive. Just to be clear I am not in any way belittling or trying to mitigate domestic abuse towards women, and I accept it is far more often men abusing women, but women do abuse men, and because of the physical disparity, that is often emotional abuse or another form of 'soft' abuse. I did edit and add a link about male violence....same stats, though I do take your point. In your circumstances I can imagine it would be very difficult to isolate what is a feminie trait and what is the personality of the perpetrator and even harder to isolate the combination of your personalities, circumstances and the way your lives were interwoven. Like you, I don't want to underestimate women on male domestic violence, however the really catastrophic ones that impact on the whole family are the excessive combination of alcohol, aggressive behaviour and lack of control of a physically superior male and his ego. I do not agree, I think emotional abuse can be just as, if not more catastrophic.
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Post by goz on Feb 1, 2018 19:34:37 GMT
We recently went to buy a car and whilst we both use the car my wife is the main user as I get the train to work. And when we were at the showroom we explained this to the sales rep. My wife had lots of questions and without fail every single answer was directed to me - even after I repeatedly stated that they should be telling my wife not me. We didn't buy the car there. The salesperson was a woman. So your assumption is that car salespeople are institutionally instructed to sell to the male customer?
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Post by goz on Feb 1, 2018 19:51:58 GMT
I did edit and add a link about male violence....same stats, though I do take your point. In your circumstances I can imagine it would be very difficult to isolate what is a feminie trait and what is the personality of the perpetrator and even harder to isolate the combination of your personalities, circumstances and the way your lives were interwoven. Like you, I don't want to underestimate women on male domestic violence, however the really catastrophic ones that impact on the whole family are the excessive combination of alcohol, aggressive behaviour and lack of control of a physically superior male and his ego. I do not agree, I think emotional abuse can be just as, if not more catastrophic. I think this is because of your own personal circumstances? at least you are alive which is more than the thousands of others mainly women who perish at the hands of an intimate partner. This is a good read. Our national broadcaster has a website called fact check where they assess all current and relevant data on newsworthy topics. www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-06/fact-file-domestic-violence-statistics/7147938
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Post by gadreel on Feb 1, 2018 19:56:37 GMT
I do not agree, I think emotional abuse can be just as, if not more catastrophic. I think this is because of your own personal circumstances? at least you are alive which is more than the thousands of others mainly women who perish at the hands of an intimate partner. This is a good read. Our national broadcaster has a website called fact check where they assess all current and relevant data on newsworthy topics. www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-06/fact-file-domestic-violence-statistics/7147938Is a person who is murdered better or worse than someone that has to live for the rest of their life after rape? There are some deaths, but they are the vast minority in domestic violence so it is not a valid comparison, emotional abuse is proven to have devestating effects on the victim, and your link clearly shows that non-physical abuse is much harder to monitor.
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Post by goz on Feb 1, 2018 20:12:07 GMT
I think this is because of your own personal circumstances? at least you are alive which is more than the thousands of others mainly women who perish at the hands of an intimate partner. This is a good read. Our national broadcaster has a website called fact check where they assess all current and relevant data on newsworthy topics. www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-06/fact-file-domestic-violence-statistics/7147938Is a person who is murdered better or worse than someone that has to live for the rest of their life after rape? There are some deaths, but they are the vast minority in domestic violence so it is not a valid comparison, emotional abuse is proven to have devestating effects on the victim, and your link clearly shows that non-physical abuse is much harder to monitor. Sheesh! Don't go all Mic-esque on me!...or I shall have to go all 'subjective harm' on you!
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Feb 2, 2018 12:08:00 GMT
We recently went to buy a car and whilst we both use the car my wife is the main user as I get the train to work. And when we were at the showroom we explained this to the sales rep. My wife had lots of questions and without fail every single answer was directed to me - even after I repeatedly stated that they should be telling my wife not me. We didn't buy the car there. The salesperson was a woman. So your assumption is that car salespeople are institutionally instructed to sell to the male customer? Not necessarily - I was just giving an example of a woman doing it too. The sales reps in the other show rooms didn't seem to have any problems talking to my wife.
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Post by thorshairspray on Feb 3, 2018 3:58:32 GMT
Some scientists did it, are you more qualified than them? Who? and what were their qualifications and method. I said I didn't accept a study reported by the Telegraph in a section solely devoted to 'Men's Interests. I personally am not qualified, though I could run it by my sister who was a biometrician for 50 years for the Australian Government, designing experiments and analysing results in the biological sciences, if you like. Its really difficult to stay civil with you. Do you read anything beyond the name in the link? The links to the study are there. I gave you them. If you can't be arsed to check the actual source material, don't try to discredit it on the basis that I also gave you the link to a newspaper report on the same bloody study. You haven't read the link. You haven't read the article, yet you are going to dismiss it because it doesn't suit your narrative of men as abusers and women as victims. For example, you keep mentioning the "thousands of women" killed by partners, yet don't seem to care about the thousands of men. And every time someone mentions the male victims, you make excuses. In fact you make excuses every time women are shown to be problematic. When a man is killed by a partner, its his fault probably, ammirite? When women kill kids its because they spend more time with them right? You ignore the fact that lesbians suffer the highest rate of domestic violence because your feminist theory can't explain it. I have given you this information before. You ignored it then and you'll ignore it again. Most cases of IPV are reciprocal. Women are more likely to start aggressive behaviour. In cases where only one partner is violent it is the women in 70% of cases. The issue of domestic violence is far, far more complicated than feminists like to pretend, but you don't care, do you? You just want to blame men.
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Post by goz on Feb 3, 2018 6:59:06 GMT
Who? and what were their qualifications and method. I said I didn't accept a study reported by the Telegraph in a section solely devoted to 'Men's Interests. I personally am not qualified, though I could run it by my sister who was a biometrician for 50 years for the Australian Government, designing experiments and analysing results in the biological sciences, if you like. Its really difficult to stay civil with you. Do you read anything beyond the name in the link? The links to the study are there. I gave you them. If you can't be arsed to check the actual source material, don't try to discredit it on the basis that I also gave you the link to a newspaper report on the same bloody study. You haven't read the link. You haven't read the article, yet you are going to dismiss it because it doesn't suit your narrative of men as abusers and women as victims. For example, you keep mentioning the "thousands of women" killed by partners, yet don't seem to care about the thousands of men. And every time someone mentions the male victims, you make excuses. In fact you make excuses every time women are shown to be problematic. When a man is killed by a partner, its his fault probably, ammirite? When women kill kids its because they spend more time with them right? You ignore the fact that lesbians suffer the highest rate of domestic violence because your feminist theory can't explain it. I have given you this information before. You ignored it then and you'll ignore it again. Most cases of IPV are reciprocal. Women are more likely to start aggressive behaviour. In cases where only one partner is violent it is the women in 70% of cases. The issue of domestic violence is far, far more complicated than feminists like to pretend, but you don't care, do you? You just want to blame men. Did you open the official Australian 'White Ribbon' link? It has the most up to date information here and I can't imagine UK to be much different. it shows that women ( and their children) are the overwhelming victims of domestic abuse.
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Post by dirtypillows on Feb 3, 2018 12:14:46 GMT
I prefer "Manspreading".
Ha! Ha! Good one! Me, too, Warm and Toasty! I like manspreading, too!
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Post by thorshairspray on Feb 3, 2018 14:40:14 GMT
Its really difficult to stay civil with you. Do you read anything beyond the name in the link? The links to the study are there. I gave you them. If you can't be arsed to check the actual source material, don't try to discredit it on the basis that I also gave you the link to a newspaper report on the same bloody study. You haven't read the link. You haven't read the article, yet you are going to dismiss it because it doesn't suit your narrative of men as abusers and women as victims. For example, you keep mentioning the "thousands of women" killed by partners, yet don't seem to care about the thousands of men. And every time someone mentions the male victims, you make excuses. In fact you make excuses every time women are shown to be problematic. When a man is killed by a partner, its his fault probably, ammirite? When women kill kids its because they spend more time with them right? You ignore the fact that lesbians suffer the highest rate of domestic violence because your feminist theory can't explain it. I have given you this information before. You ignored it then and you'll ignore it again. Most cases of IPV are reciprocal. Women are more likely to start aggressive behaviour. In cases where only one partner is violent it is the women in 70% of cases. The issue of domestic violence is far, far more complicated than feminists like to pretend, but you don't care, do you? You just want to blame men. Did you open the official Australian 'White Ribbon' link? It has the most up to date information here and I can't imagine UK to be much different. it shows that women ( and their children) are the overwhelming victims of domestic abuse. gozDid you read what I said in the initial post? Where I was talking about a specific behaviour that is more common in women? Where I was using that as an example of why we shouldn't use gendered language for behaviour even if one sex does that behaviour more? Did you bother with that? No, why? Because then you would have to accept that your OP was sexist and based on narrative not facts....
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