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Post by Cinemachinery on Jan 31, 2018 18:33:56 GMT
www.apnews.com/281d69cf054f415e97df01fef9892cc8/'Satanic'-group-signs-up-for-trash-program So they're not REALLY satanists.... and they're participating in a voluntary program that doesn't actually conflict with the notion of a secular government. March of the fedoras. It seems to me that even the satanist groups that aren't really satanist groups are just adults experiencing their teen rebellion years a little late in the game.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Jan 31, 2018 18:42:46 GMT
Why isn't it "real Satanism"? They're probably a LaVeyan Satanist group. LaVeyan Satanism has a pretty long history at this point, I'm pretty sure it was the first officially registered Satanic religion, etc.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 31, 2018 18:49:28 GMT
www.apnews.com/281d69cf054f415e97df01fef9892cc8/'Satanic'-group-signs-up-for-trash-program So they're not REALLY satanists.... and they're participating in a voluntary program that doesn't actually conflict with the notion of a secular government. March of the fedoras. It seems to me that even the satanist groups that aren't really satanist groups are just adults experiencing their teen rebellion years a little late in the game. It's an interesting point (and terrapin touches on it) that Satanism by it's very definition (becuase of LaVey) includes an atheistic sect. I kind of think they should be forced to drop the moniker. Having said that, in the current (ill informed) world, they may well be real satanists.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 31, 2018 21:02:07 GMT
www.apnews.com/281d69cf054f415e97df01fef9892cc8/'Satanic'-group-signs-up-for-trash-program So they're not REALLY satanists.... and they're participating in a voluntary program that doesn't actually conflict with the notion of a secular government. March of the fedoras. It seems to me that even the satanist groups that aren't really satanist groups are just adults experiencing their teen rebellion years a little late in the game. Isn't Satanism a variation of Judeo/Christian religion? I do like their 'test'.
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Post by clusium on Jan 31, 2018 21:14:30 GMT
www.apnews.com/281d69cf054f415e97df01fef9892cc8/'Satanic'-group-signs-up-for-trash-program So they're not REALLY satanists.... and they're participating in a voluntary program that doesn't actually conflict with the notion of a secular government. March of the fedoras. It seems to me that even the satanist groups that aren't really satanist groups are just adults experiencing their teen rebellion years a little late in the game. Isn't Satanism a variation of Judeo/Christian religion? I do like their 'test'. No. Next question....?
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Post by Vegas on Jan 31, 2018 21:18:19 GMT
It would be cool if they were out there cleaning the highway wearing their cool robes and Eyes Wide Shut Masks... ....and if one of them was wearing a goat's head.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 31, 2018 21:19:37 GMT
Isn't Satanism a variation of Judeo/Christian religion? I do like their 'test'. No. Next question....? Of course it is. Theistic Satanism has to follow Christianity by accepting what is written in the bible, after all they believe in the Satan of the bible, what else could they be?
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Post by clusium on Jan 31, 2018 21:29:30 GMT
Of course it is. Theistic Satanism has to follow Christianity by accepting what is written in the bible, after all they believe in the Satan of the bible, what else could they be? No, the word 'Christian' means 'Follower or Disciple Of Christ.' A person who is a Satanist (regardless if it the theistic kind or atheistic kind) completely rejects Christ. Satanism isn't part of Christianity. Rather, it is ANTI-CHRISTIANITY.
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Post by Vegas on Jan 31, 2018 21:42:04 GMT
Satanism isn't part of Christianity. Rather, it is ANTI-CHRISTIANITY.I think that you're being a tad too literal with your answer. The point that other people are making is that "Satanism" is a part of Christianity, in as much that it is based on Christianity's realm of belief. Sure.. It's "ANTI-CHRISTIANITY"... because it takes Christianity as it's basis for belief system. They are basically Christians who choose the other side.
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Post by gadreel on Jan 31, 2018 22:19:44 GMT
Of course it is. Theistic Satanism has to follow Christianity by accepting what is written in the bible, after all they believe in the Satan of the bible, what else could they be? No, the word 'Christian' means 'Follower or Disciple Of Christ.' A person who is a Satanist (regardless if it the theistic kind or atheistic kind) completely rejects Christ. Satanism isn't part of Christianity. Rather, it is ANTI-CHRISTIANITY.But they follow the same theology. To be clear call them what you will, but a theistic Satanist follows the teachings of the bible, they just worship the other side, that make them a branch of Christianity. I am specifically talking about the sort of Satanist that believes they will fight in the final battle between God and Satan. just out of interest: A theistic satanist would fit the second part of the noun definition.
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Post by clusium on Jan 31, 2018 23:27:00 GMT
No, the word 'Christian' means 'Follower or Disciple Of Christ.' A person who is a Satanist (regardless if it the theistic kind or atheistic kind) completely rejects Christ. Satanism isn't part of Christianity. Rather, it is ANTI-CHRISTIANITY.But they follow the same theology. To be clear call them what you will, but a theistic Satanist follows the teachings of the bible, they just worship the other side, that make them a branch of Christianity. I am specifically talking about the sort of Satanist that believes they will fight in the final battle between God and Satan. just out of interest: A theistic satanist would fit the second part of the noun definition. No. They OPPOSE the same theology. They reject it, hence, they are not Christian. What about the dictionary definition you just shared? A satanist is still its own religion. Not Christianity.
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Post by clusium on Jan 31, 2018 23:28:52 GMT
Satanism isn't part of Christianity. Rather, it is ANTI-CHRISTIANITY.I think that you're being a tad too literal with your answer. The point that other people are making is that "Satanism" is a part of Christianity, in as much that it is based on Christianity's realm of belief. Sure.. It's "ANTI-CHRISTIANITY"... because it takes Christianity as it's basis for belief system. They are basically Christians who choose the other side. No, it is not part of Christianity. To be a satanist is to complete REJECT Christ.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 23:31:56 GMT
Why isn't it "real Satanism"? They're probably a LaVeyan Satanist group. LaVeyan Satanism has a pretty long history at this point, I'm pretty sure it was the first officially registered Satanic religion, etc. That was my initial thought. I always thought "real Satanism" was secular humanism per the "real Satanists" like LaVey. I once dated a girl who had the Satanic Bible. I started reading it because I thought it would be all evil and cool with secret spells and whatnot. Boy was I disappointed!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 23:34:54 GMT
It would be cool if they were out there cleaning the highway wearing their cool robes and Eyes Wide Shut Masks... ....and if one of them was wearing a goat's head. I would pay twenty bucks to see this on my way home from work tonight. The main Satanist - like in Eyes Wide Shut - thumping some kind of staff up and down, but instead of a staff, it turns out to be one of those tools with the spike at the end that pics up garbage.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 1, 2018 0:02:39 GMT
But they follow the same theology. To be clear call them what you will, but a theistic Satanist follows the teachings of the bible, they just worship the other side, that make them a branch of Christianity. I am specifically talking about the sort of Satanist that believes they will fight in the final battle between God and Satan. just out of interest: A theistic satanist would fit the second part of the noun definition. No. They OPPOSE the same theology. They reject it, hence, they are not Christian. What about the dictionary definition you just shared? A satanist is still its own religion. Not Christianity. No. Their theology is from the same source, the bible. They reject the message of Christ, but they clearly believe in Christ and in God, and they chose the theology espoused in the bible of Satan. The dictionary definition shows that I am correct, they follow the teachings of Christianity. If you are going to assert that I am wrong, please provide evidence to back your stance.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 1, 2018 0:04:23 GMT
Why isn't it "real Satanism"? They're probably a LaVeyan Satanist group. LaVeyan Satanism has a pretty long history at this point, I'm pretty sure it was the first officially registered Satanic religion, etc. That was my initial thought. I always thought "real Satanism" was secular humanism per the "real Satanists" like LaVey. I once dated a girl who had the Satanic Bible. I started reading it because I thought it would be all evil and cool with secret spells and whatnot. Boy was I disappointed! "real satanism" is as hard to define as "real Christianity", LaVeyan Satanists are humanists, rejecting theism of all sorts, but there are theistic satanists who follow the teachings of the bible and worship the Satan they find in that theology.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 1, 2018 0:30:19 GMT
I think that you're being a tad too literal with your answer. The point that other people are making is that "Satanism" is a part of Christianity, in as much that it is based on Christianity's realm of belief. Sure.. It's "ANTI-CHRISTIANITY"... because it takes Christianity as it's basis for belief system. They are basically Christians who choose the other side. No, it is not part of Christianity. To be a satanist is to complete REJECT Christ. Yes... But.. To REJECT Christ.... to directly oppose him... One has to believe that Christ exists and what Christ is according to Christianity's definition.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 0:35:52 GMT
So they're not REALLY satanists.... and they're participating in a voluntary program that doesn't actually conflict with the notion of a secular government. March of the fedoras. Well, everyone needs a hobby. At least it keeps them off the streets. ...oh. Never mind. Oooo, edgy.
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Post by clusium on Feb 1, 2018 0:59:35 GMT
No. They OPPOSE the same theology. They reject it, hence, they are not Christian. What about the dictionary definition you just shared? A satanist is still its own religion. Not Christianity. No. Their theology is from the same source, the bible. They reject the message of Christ, but they clearly believe in Christ and in God, and they chose the theology espoused in the bible of Satan. The dictionary definition shows that I am correct, they follow the teachings of Christianity. If you are going to assert that I am wrong, please provide evidence to back your stance. Okay: Here's where you are exactly wrong: " I the Lord, Am your God. You shall have no other gods besides Me; You will not make unto a graven image;" Since theistic satanists worship the Devil or devils, they reject the One True God, hence are not Christians.
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Post by clusium on Feb 1, 2018 1:01:22 GMT
No, it is not part of Christianity. To be a satanist is to complete REJECT Christ. Yes... But.. To REJECT Christ.... to directly oppose him... One has to believe that Christ exists and what Christ is according to Christianity's definition. It takes more than belief. One has to also WORSHIP & LOVE Him too. Satanists (both the atheistic kinds & theistic kinds) hate Christ.
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