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Post by rizdek on Feb 20, 2018 0:16:12 GMT
At least I think it does. If you agree that a PERSON should have a legally recognized right to life, then the question becomes, "Is the fetus a person?" The Bible teaches that every person is inherently sinful (due to Adam & Eve's transgression). And Psalms 51:5 says, "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." Non-persons cannot be sinful, so if the author was sinful at conception, he must have been a person from conception, which means blah, blah, blah, you get the rest.
Why can't non-persons be sinful.... according to the Bible? First, this is Psalms, so it might be that the person was writing poetically and exaggerating because it's nonsense that something that is totally unable to make moral decisions (a fetus) can be considered sinful. Second, it might also mean that non-persons can be sinful. I realize the latter makes no sense, but it makes as much sense as claiming that because some poet in Psalms says he himself was "sinful from the time my mother conceived me" that that means the fetus is a person. And of course the fetus is human, but that doesn't mean it's a person.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 20, 2018 0:50:22 GMT
At least I think it does. If you agree that a PERSON should have a legally recognized right to life, then the question becomes, "Is the fetus a person?" The Bible teaches that every person is inherently sinful (due to Adam & Eve's transgression). And Psalms 51:5 says, "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." Non-persons cannot be sinful, so if the author was sinful at conception, he must have been a person from conception, which means blah, blah, blah, you get the rest.
Why can't non-persons be sinful.... according to the Bible? There's never a time that a fertile egg is anything but human. It's cells are literally made up of human stuff, and if that stuff is imperfect, the kids going to be imperfect. It being a person may be a different matter that may involve independence, body parts, or coincide with being an individual. None of that has anything to do with whether abortion sucks though.
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Post by rizdek on Feb 20, 2018 15:24:53 GMT
Why can't non-persons be sinful.... according to the Bible? There's never a time that a fertile egg is anything but human. It's cells are literally made up of human stuff, and if that stuff is imperfect, the kids going to be imperfect. It being a person may be a different matter that may involve independence, body parts, or coincide with being an individual. None of that has anything to do with whether abortion sucks though. That's all well and good, but I think that's a different discussion. The OP was trying to base things on the Bible and I was trying to keep within that confine.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 20, 2018 16:35:16 GMT
There's never a time that a fertile egg is anything but human. It's cells are literally made up of human stuff, and if that stuff is imperfect, the kids going to be imperfect. It being a person may be a different matter that may involve independence, body parts, or coincide with being an individual. None of that has anything to do with whether abortion sucks though. That's all well and good, but I think that's a different discussion. The OP was trying to base things on the Bible and I was trying to keep within that confine. The OP is being disingenuous about that. Otherwise, he would even be bring up the notion of no-persons in the first place.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 20, 2018 21:09:20 GMT
That's all well and good, but I think that's a different discussion. The OP was trying to base things on the Bible and I was trying to keep within that confine. The OP is being disingenuous about that. Otherwise, he would even be bring up the notion of no-persons in the first place. Try it in English. Then he might know what you think I'm being disingenuous about.
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 21, 2018 1:31:16 GMT
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