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Post by Rodney Farber on Feb 15, 2018 15:36:54 GMT
Is this a rhetorical question, or are you actually not aware that there's a difference between the old covenant and the new covenant in Christianity? Why? God doesn't change. (S)He's perfect. Why should his/her rules change? This only supports my theory that The Bible is not the word of God, but the words of various religious leaders who change the new rules in their own self-serving interest as a new flock of geese move through the food chain. Of course, Bible Beaters always have a reason (read: excuse) as to what rules they ignore. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 15, 2018 15:39:54 GMT
You can be perfect and change you mind.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 16:21:55 GMT
You can be perfect and change you mind. In fact, a personal being would need to be able to change/adapt to changing circumstances to truly be perfect. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 15, 2018 16:30:14 GMT
You can be perfect and change you mind. In fact, a personal being would need to be able to change/adapt to changing circumstances to truly be perfect. Well, God does not change just because he changes his mind. Him changing his mind has always been a part of his standards. However, he can sympathize for, love, bless, or punish his creation which can impact his decisions regarding them since they & their circumstances can and do change. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 16:46:04 GMT
You can be perfect and change you mind. If you were perfect, you wouldn't have been wrong the first time. Especially with the benefit of omniscience and transcendence of space and time to be able to foresee the consequences of any decision. |
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Feb 15, 2018 16:46:31 GMT
True. God told us that slavery was alright. And then public opinion turned against slavery so his salesmen/priests/whatever-you-want-to-call-them have decided that he's now against slavery despite there being theological evidence to support that.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 15, 2018 16:52:42 GMT
You can be perfect and change you mind. If you were perfect, you wouldn't have been wrong the first time. Especially with the benefit of omniscience and transcendence of space and time to be able to foresee the consequences of any decision. Again, changing your mind is not same thing as being wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 17:48:36 GMT
What a stupid thread, initiated on the rubbish of ignorance.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 15, 2018 17:52:25 GMT
You can be perfect and change you mind. How? I asked this question of wintersuicide, and his answer was not very good. If God is onmiscient and omnipotent, and exists out of time, then God knows all before it happens, he knows the outcome of every decision made and action taken, why would he change his mind in light of that, there can not be anything that possible comes as a surprise or reason to change. And that is not even getting into the idea of a perfect being changing in any way and still being perfect. |
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Post by gadreel on Feb 15, 2018 17:54:52 GMT
In fact, a personal being would need to be able to change/adapt to changing circumstances to truly be perfect. That is not possible if you are talking about any kind of change, either the being is perfect to begin with and a change will move them away from perfection, or the being was not perfect. |
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Post by gadreel on Feb 15, 2018 17:56:01 GMT
Is this a rhetorical question, or are you actually not aware that there's a difference between the old covenant and the new covenant in Christianity? Why? God doesn't change. (S)He's perfect. Why should his/her rules change? This only supports my theory that The Bible is not the word of God, but the words of various religious leaders who change the new rules in their own self-serving interest as a new flock of geese move through the food chain. Of course, Bible Beaters always have a reason (read: excuse) as to what rules they ignore. I think that thankfully the people who believe that the bible is the inerrant word of God are a dying breed, that makes me pleased as they would no doubt disappoint God |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 18:00:17 GMT
It's only your opinion, gadreel that the answer I gave was not a very good one. But it holds up under biblical scrutiny, which, of course, is the ruling context of this argument. I have cited for you the reason God changes his mind. It is exactly as He says it is in His scriptures. He is a being of Justice and Mercy, which can be opposing emotions. When those emotions are in opposition, His mercy tends to win out. You should just say "thank you," and move on. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 18:02:32 GMT
In fact, a personal being would need to be able to change/adapt to changing circumstances to truly be perfect. That is not possible if you are talking about any kind of change, either the being is perfect to begin with and a change will move them away from perfection, or the being was not perfect. The very idea that a lack of evolution signifies perfection goes against the grain of every lesson I have ever learned as a human on this planet. |
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Post by gadreel on Feb 15, 2018 18:05:32 GMT
It's only your opinion, gadreel that the answer I gave was not a very good one. But it holds up under biblical scrutiny, which, of course, is the ruling context of this argument. I have cited for you the reason God changes his mind. It is exactly as He says it is in His scriptures. He is a being of Justice and Mercy, which can be opposing emotions. When those emotions are in opposition, His mercy tends to win out. You should just say "thank you," and move on. The answer you gave cannot make sense if you accept that God is omnipotent and omniscient, if these two are true then God already knew the outcome to begin with, any changing of mind indicates that he did not know what was going to happen. You can have a God that changes it's mind, but it is not an omnipotent omniscient god. |
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Post by gadreel on Feb 15, 2018 18:07:59 GMT
That is not possible if you are talking about any kind of change, either the being is perfect to begin with and a change will move them away from perfection, or the being was not perfect. The very idea that a lack of evolution signifies perfection goes against the grain of every lesson I have ever learned as a human on this planet. then you have not learned very well, you already know what the definition of perfect is: If a being already has all the required elements, qualities and characteristics and is as good (not in a moral) sense as it is as possible to be, then any change will change that state, moving them away from perfection. It is basic logic. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 18:13:16 GMT
The very idea that a lack of evolution signifies perfection goes against the grain of every lesson I have ever learned as a human on this planet. then you have not learned very well, you already know what the definition of perfect is: If a being already has all the required elements, qualities and characteristics and is as good (not in a moral) sense as it is as possible to be, then any change will change that state, moving them away from perfection. It is basic logic. Bruh, we've been through it. I already gave you the answer to this challenge. We've even broken down the linguistic semantics of the definition you just posted. Your repetitive attempt to prove a point that has already been rebutted in a satisfactory way is annoying. You will get the same exact answer i gave you from any Christian who believes in, has studied and through prayer, has a good understanding of the text in question. The crux of your argument is based on the need for perfection to be static and that just isn't a good assumption. If you got out of your own head for five seconds and lived some real life, you'd experience it firsthand and you wouldn't need anyone to explain it to you. |
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Post by gadreel on Feb 15, 2018 18:22:32 GMT
then you have not learned very well, you already know what the definition of perfect is: If a being already has all the required elements, qualities and characteristics and is as good (not in a moral) sense as it is as possible to be, then any change will change that state, moving them away from perfection. It is basic logic. Bruh, we've been through it. I already gave you the answer to this challenge. We've even broken down the linguistic semantics of the definition you just posted. Your repetitive attempt to prove a point that has already been rebutted in a satisfactory way is annoying. You will get the same exact answer i gave you from any Christian who believes in, has studied and through prayer, has a good understanding of the text in question. The crux of your argument is based on the need for perfection to be static and that just isn't a good assumption. If you got out of your own head for five seconds and lived some real life, you'd experience it firsthand and you wouldn't need anyone to explain it to you. Yeah, your condescension aside, what I have said is basic logic, and your stance is incorrect. But do please continue to imply that not holding the same flawed belief as you do precludes me from being Christian. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 18:27:53 GMT
Bruh, we've been through it. I already gave you the answer to this challenge. We've even broken down the linguistic semantics of the definition you just posted. Your repetitive attempt to prove a point that has already been rebutted in a satisfactory way is annoying. You will get the same exact answer i gave you from any Christian who believes in, has studied and through prayer, has a good understanding of the text in question. The crux of your argument is based on the need for perfection to be static and that just isn't a good assumption. If you got out of your own head for five seconds and lived some real life, you'd experience it firsthand and you wouldn't need anyone to explain it to you. Yeah, your condescension aside, what I have said is basic logic, and your stance is incorrect. But do please continue to imply that not holding the same flawed belief as you do precludes me from being Christian.I don't. This also only exists in your head. You remind me a little of the Jewish kid from the movie Road Trip. |
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Post by gadreel on Feb 15, 2018 18:31:10 GMT
Yeah, your condescension aside, what I have said is basic logic, and your stance is incorrect. But do please continue to imply that not holding the same flawed belief as you do precludes me from being Christian.I don't. This also only exists in your head. You remind me a little of the Jewish kid from the movie Road Trip. Never seen it. The implication certainly seemed to be there. But as you say we have gone over this many times I see that it is impossible to change your view, as it is mine. I wish you well. |
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Post by Vegas on Feb 15, 2018 18:38:23 GMT
LET THE SEMANTIC OLYMPICS BEGIN!!!
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