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Post by Vegas on Feb 16, 2018 14:44:05 GMT
Non responsive weasel words.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Feb 16, 2018 15:11:44 GMT
then you have not learned very well, you already know what the definition of perfect is: If a being already has all the required elements, qualities and characteristics and is as good (not in a moral) sense as it is as possible to be, then any change will change that state, moving them away from perfection. It is basic logic. Bruh, we've been through it. I already gave you the answer to this challenge. We've even broken down the linguistic semantics of the definition you just posted. Your repetitive attempt to prove a point that has already been rebutted in a satisfactory way is annoying. You will get the same exact answer i gave you from any Christian who believes in, has studied and through prayer, has a good understanding of the text in question. The crux of your argument is based on the need for perfection to be static and that just isn't a good assumption. If you got out of your own head for five seconds and lived some real life, you'd experience it firsthand and you wouldn't need anyone to explain it to you.
Scripture clearly teaches the concept of God’s immutability, i.e., the notion that his essence, character, and, notably His will are stable and perfect.
Thus, it is insisted while ordinary things undergo transformation, the changeless Creator does not. He is the same forever (see Psa. 102:26-27). With the Lord there can be “no variation, neither shadow that is cast by turning” (Jas. 1:17 ASV; cf. Heb. 13:8). [Shadow can read as 'fallout' or 'influence'].
But if the purported deity changes its mind (or 'repents') - which is reported a few times in scripture, usually after irksome human actions - then it is not thinking, or 'willing' the same as before. God is the being who thinks one way, and would still be the same one yes, after He thinks another way. i.e same deity; not with the same will. Apart from that obvious contradiction in respect of the way God might next think, there is another issue too. To say that God's intention for any human changes, based on the response of the human makes God's intentions, even just sometimes, dependent on the will of the creature, since His will wouldn't change without their acts. For instance those notable occasions changing the mind of God, and His intent, say, from doing good to His creatures (love) to getting even (revenge) - which most likely will, yes, 'shadow' lives, quite a bit... So at least as far as an unchanging will can be contemplated (in so far as one can be said to 'know' the will of God in the first place) to say it is 'immutable', but then again accept it can change as God 'repents', is just another of those biblical contradictions.
I hope any special pleading by way of response does not overheat..
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Post by thefleetsin on Feb 16, 2018 15:35:18 GMT
people have required 'special magic powers' since stories were first bandied about a campfire. over time these stories have morphed and evolved to fit the currents of men's desires and limitations.
perfect? what does that even mean?
your god's a better carnival barker than mine is?
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Post by general313 on Feb 16, 2018 15:57:41 GMT
perfect? what does that even mean? It could mean that my God's farts smell like roses, or that my God never farts at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 16:13:12 GMT
'God' would have to be defined before one could even approach the question.
A definition of 'perfect' should then be agreed upon to proceed.
Otherwise... the result will be threads such as this one.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 16, 2018 16:30:31 GMT
'God' would have to be defined before one could even approach the question. A definition of 'perfect' should then be agreed upon to proceed. Otherwise... the result will be threads such as this one. ^THIS!!
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 16, 2018 17:59:32 GMT
tpfkar Bruh, we've been through it. I already gave you the answer to this challenge. We've even broken down the linguistic semantics of the definition you just posted. Your repetitive attempt to prove a point that has already been rebutted in a satisfactory way is annoying. You will get the same exact answer i gave you from any Christian who believes in, has studied and through prayer, has a good understanding of the text in question. The crux of your argument is based on the need for perfection to be static and that just isn't a good assumption. If you got out of your own head for five seconds and lived some real life, you'd experience it firsthand and you wouldn't need anyone to explain it to you. I wish I had an answer to that because I'm tired of answering that question.
When You control all the variables and everything including any concept of anything is wholly constructed from Yourself, any change is either toward or away from "perfection". At least if "perfection" is not measured in units of grisly capriciousness. You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 18:16:34 GMT
tpfkar Bruh, we've been through it. I already gave you the answer to this challenge. We've even broken down the linguistic semantics of the definition you just posted. Your repetitive attempt to prove a point that has already been rebutted in a satisfactory way is annoying. You will get the same exact answer i gave you from any Christian who believes in, has studied and through prayer, has a good understanding of the text in question. The crux of your argument is based on the need for perfection to be static and that just isn't a good assumption. If you got out of your own head for five seconds and lived some real life, you'd experience it firsthand and you wouldn't need anyone to explain it to you. I wish I had an answer to that because I'm tired of answering that question.
When You control all the variables and everything including any concept of anything is wholly constructed from Yourself, any change is either toward or away from "perfection". At least if "perfection" is not measured in units of grisly capriciousness. You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.This assumes that all changes are progressive or regressive. They are not. Some are linear.
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 16, 2018 18:21:45 GMT
tpfkar I wish I had an answer to that because I'm tired of answering that question.
When You control all the variables and everything including any concept of anything is wholly constructed from Yourself, any change is either toward or away from "perfection". At least if "perfection" is not measured in units of grisly capriciousness. You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. This assumes that all changes are progressive or regressive. They are not. Some are linear. Then why change? And still doesn't explain His horrific bloodlust and crassly immoral nature. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 18:29:36 GMT
tpfkar This assumes that all changes are progressive or regressive. They are not. Some are linear. Then why change? But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.That's the nature of emotion.
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 16, 2018 18:32:35 GMT
tpfkar Then why change? And still doesn't explain His horrific bloodlust and crassly immoral nature. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.That's the nature of emotion. "Emotion", i.e. vicious volatility is far from "perfection". The Lord is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 16, 2018 18:34:52 GMT
That's the nature of emotion. ..or circumstance... A quarterback that calls an audible based on the defense isn't imperfect because he can adapt... It kinda makes him a better quarterback for it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 18:46:51 GMT
tpfkar That's the nature of emotion. "Emotion", i.e. vicious volatility is far from "perfection". The Lord is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.Perhaps for your working definition of "perfection," but clearly not from God's.
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 16, 2018 18:49:43 GMT
tpfkar That's the nature of emotion. ..or circumstance... A quarterback that calls an audible based on the defense isn't imperfect because he can adapt... It kinda makes him a better quarterback for it. Well, if he's just another sanguinary strongman, sure. If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 16, 2018 18:50:52 GMT
tpfkar "Emotion", i.e. vicious volatility is far from "perfection". The Lord is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.Perhaps for your working definition of "perfection," but clearly not from God's. Right, much like his definition of "Love". No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 18:55:58 GMT
tpfkar Perhaps for your working definition of "perfection," but clearly not from God's. Right, much like his definition of "Love". No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD.Well, hell, if I'd known I was supposed to work from Cupcakes' own, personal perception of the world when defining things like "love," I'd have gotten better than a failing grade on my "how do you rate as an atheist?" report. Okay, Cupcakes. Let's hear you out. What is love according to Cupcakes? Challenge: don't simply criticize how someone else defines love, but tell us from a positive, personal perspective how Cupcakes defines it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 18:58:08 GMT
tpfkar Right, much like his definition of "Love". No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD.Well, hell, if I'd known I was supposed to work from Cupcakes' own, personal perception of the world when defining things like "love," I'd have gotten better than a failing grade on my "how do you rate as an atheist?" report. Okay, Cupcakes. Let's hear you out. What is love according to Cupcakes? Challenge: don't simply criticize how someone else defines love, but tell us from a positive, personal perspective how Cupcakes defines it. Love is the smell of your own farts.
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 16, 2018 19:00:02 GMT
tpfkar Right, much like his definition of "Love". No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD.Well, hell, if I'd known I was supposed to work from Cupcakes' own, personal perception of the world when defining things like "love," I'd have gotten better than a failing grade on my "how do you rate as an atheist?" report. Okay, Cupcakes. Let's hear you out. What is love according to Cupcakes? Challenge: don't simply criticize how someone else defines love, but tell us from a positive, personal perspective how Cupcakes defines it. Certainly not bestial slaughter at whim, placing nasty curses on total innocents in capricious fits of no control, nor putting on bloodsoaked displays of sadism/masochism to then "remove" the silly curse he himself inflicted. If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 16, 2018 19:01:05 GMT
tpfkar Well, hell, if I'd known I was supposed to work from Cupcakes' own, personal perception of the world when defining things like "love," I'd have gotten better than a failing grade on my "how do you rate as an atheist?" report. Okay, Cupcakes. Let's hear you out. What is love according to Cupcakes? Challenge: don't simply criticize how someone else defines love, but tell us from a positive, personal perspective how Cupcakes defines it. Love is the smell of your own farts. You guys and your fart obsessions. Now, therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known a man by lying with him; but all the women-children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
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Post by Vegas on Feb 16, 2018 19:12:45 GMT
What is love according to Cupcakes? Challenge: don't simply criticize how someone else defines love, but tell us from a positive, personal perspective how Cupcakes defines it. - "Love is... KARATE CHOP!! KARATE CHOP!!! KICK! PUNCH!"
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