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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 13, 2018 12:44:55 GMT
You're failing to recognize that at one time slaughtering was the norm. It certainly appealed to your purported god back in the day, if one reads the OT. And of course all of scripture is suitable for instruction, we are told by Timothy so one can presumably can look to Him for a fine example. Which sort of argues against your previous point does it not, lol? On the contrary, quite a few of the religions of the ancients specified the use of violence, whether it was the South Americans ripping the hearts out on sacrificial altars, or the blood-letting authorised by way of revenge on several occasions by Jehovah. And as we know, your Jesus said quite clearly that we are not to think that he was not around to bring peace, but a sword. People might be slaughtering all over with and without "religion." It is an apparently early stage in the development of a society. You are not appreciating how the more advanced religions contributed to the development of their respective parts of the world. Please stop trying to tell others what the Bible says. You are far too ignorant of history and culture as well as the Bible to do that.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Mar 13, 2018 12:55:50 GMT
People might be slaughtering all over with and without "religion." Religion though, in one influence or another has been behind quite a few conflicts down the years and will continue to be so. I guess a lot of the world is still in the early stage then, huh? And Europe was at war with itself on 70 years back. Such as during the Crusades and various wars and persecutions of the Reformation? **
Did Jesus not assure listeners that he did not come to bring peace, but with a sword then? Must be a misprint in my volume.
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** Edit: my reply ought to acknowledge that not every development is a positive one of course.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 13, 2018 16:06:24 GMT
tpfkar no one needs to use some "god" as an excuse to get out of slaughtering. Quite the opposite, actually. And as it's been His character throughout, there no reason to think He will stop any time soon. People of God did not have to kill them either because God killed them for us. The point remains that homosexuals are dumb, senseless animals that might need to be killed.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 15, 2018 13:29:54 GMT
Conquering death regardless of location is a pretty good thing to harp on.
As far as coming back from where, the best assumption is to think that, without a resurrection, dead is dead.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Mar 15, 2018 14:04:55 GMT
I still have no clue why the term first born would suggest infant. I'm first born and pushing 50. Maybe it's a cultural thing. I think of using "firstborn" as something that implies first-time, novice parents as well as an infant. "Oh, is that your firstborn? Are you enjoying parenthood?". I don't recall my parents calling me "firstborn". Do your parents still call you firstborn? I don't think I called my eldest "firstborn" for more than a few months, if at all. I referred to her as my only child until I had second child. Then, she was my "first", "oldest", or "eldest" child. You keep harping on my error of "firstborn" while evading the theme of this thread: God murdered Er and Onan. Most theists believe God is allowed to execute people because he...you know, being God and all, can judge them deserving of death. They think execution is different than murder. So they'd say it doesn't conflict with the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" which many people claim means "Thou shalt not murder." The difference between execution and murder is in the eye of the beholder. Charles Manson (who thought he was Jesus Christ) executed about a dozen people for what he believed were valid reasons. The state of California didn't agree. Come to think of it, just like God, many Manson followers feel he should have been worshiped, not sentenced to death. So you call the homicide of Er a justifiable execution while I call it murder. God's goal was the same as Manson's: Create fear in the minds of the hoi-polloi so that they kiss yous ass. So if you believe Lord's "execution" of Er and Onan were justified, then continue to worship him/her, and, most importantly, don't forget to tithe. Worship the Devil then, if that's the way you feel about it. Who is stopping you? Just because Satan killed fewer people than God doesn't make Satan a nice guy. I don't worship any murderer. I worship my wife who created life. And one other thought: If you believe in life-after-death, what became of Er and Onan? Did Jehovah kill them only to bring them to heaven?
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Post by drystyx on Mar 15, 2018 18:33:24 GMT
And if you were a man, you would do something about it.
But then...that's what you would do...if you were a man.
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Post by Vegas on Mar 15, 2018 18:50:56 GMT
You keep harping on my error of "firstborn" while evading the theme of this thread: God murdered Er and Onan. You're right... We shouldn't harp on your dumbass error of "firstborn"... We should harp on your dumbass error of "murder". No it's not.... It's in the eye of the dictionary. It's only in the eye of the moron where the line is blurry.
Notice how Manson didn't have authority to "execute" (as you moronically put it) anyone... He had to answer to a higher authority. California. Now.. IF God exists.. He would be the highest authority possible... There is none higher.. All the sucka MCs should call him Sire.He, as creator of all life, has the authority to decides who gets to keep that life. There is no other authority above Him to answer to.
Another thought??.... Hell, you haven't had your first... but: Thanks for yet another confirmation that you have no idea what you're bitching about.
Not saying that they go to Heaven, but: If God has the ability to bring people to Heaven after they die.. Then, He's not really killing them, is he, dumbass? If He has the ability to bring them back to life at a later date... You'd still be a fcking idiot.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 15, 2018 19:05:04 GMT
tpfkar This was NOT about JW teachings until Vegas and you made it about that. I had responded to what innsmouth said, and there is no reason to suppose he follows WT teachings. The crying and whining is from the both of you ("You're saying mean things about God!")
And there's nothing unhealthy in challenging you when you say that it "makes sense" for God to execute children along with their parents. The sick idea is in thinking that it makes sense. - "I-I'm not crying... *sniff*... Y-you're the ones ... huh... crying." Nobody gives a shit about you saying "mean things about God"... Sorry if one feels the need to counter your never ending whinefest with a "That's not really a Bible teaching".. or two... or three.. or... Bawl about it in the fellowship hall, Sister. In the meantime, you don't get to supplant God's word in the Bible with your own. I-I'm not crying... *sniff*... Y-you're the ones... huh... crying.
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Post by Vegas on Mar 15, 2018 19:12:59 GMT
I gotta feelin' that this thread just got a shitload dumber.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 15, 2018 19:18:09 GMT
tpfkar I gotta feelin' that this thread just got a shitload dumber. Consulting you moobicles again? Ummmmmm... Mr. Fluffykins.... I know I promised not to do that no-no thing to you anymore... but, I was wondering since it's just you and me.. and It's New Year's Eve.....
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Post by Rodney Farber on Mar 16, 2018 1:27:29 GMT
He, as creator of all life, has the authority to decides who gets to keep that life. There is no other authority above Him to answer to. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. If God created all life, why did my parents bother to have sex? Why didn't God just plop me into a bassinet. And why did God make me such a doubting-Thomas? So God has the ultimate authority to kill people. Even with his ultimate authority, it's still murder. If you're happy with God killing people just to exercise his authority, then, by all means, spend your Sundays praying to him. And don't forget to tithe. Calling people who do not share your beliefs "morons" only affirms your inability to present a cogent argument. Don't worry. There are thousands of religions all over this planet. I'm sure you've picked the correct one. And if your religion is the one true religion, why isn't the rest of the world beating a path to your house of worship?
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Post by Vegas on Mar 16, 2018 1:36:17 GMT
Thanks... Yet another example of how you misunderstand what you are complaining about.... 3 year olds have a better grasp of what's being said. Your not a doubting-Thomas... You're a moron. There's a difference. I have no religion, moron.. I don't believe in God.
Because... We have morons like you giving atheism a bad name. And you are still a fcking moron arguing the definitions of words that you don't understand.
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Post by goz on Mar 16, 2018 2:54:04 GMT
Conquering death regardless of location is a pretty good thing to harp on. As far as coming back from where, the best assumption is to think that, without a resurrection, dead is dead. I already think dead is dead.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 22, 2018 18:33:05 GMT
tpfkar You keep harping on my error of "firstborn" while evading the theme of this thread: God murdered Er and Onan. You're right... We shouldn't harp on your dumbass error of "firstborn"... We should harp on your dumbass error of "murder". No it's not.... It's in the eye of the dictionary. It's only in the eye of the moron where the line is blurry.
Notice how Manson didn't have authority to "execute" (as you moronically put it) anyone... He had to answer to a higher authority. California. Now.. IF God exists.. He would be the highest authority possible... There is none higher.. All the sucka MCs should call him Sire.He, as creator of all life, has the authority to decides who gets to keep that life. There is no other authority above Him to answer to. Another thought??.... Hell, you haven't had your first... but: Thanks for yet another confirmation that you have no idea what you're bitching about.
Not saying that they go to Heaven, but: If God has the ability to bring people to Heaven after they die.. Then, He's not really killing them, is he, dumbass? If He has the ability to bring them back to life at a later date... You'd still be a fcking idiot. The only murder going on in this thread is of any sense. God just slaughters infants and children and other innocent at will. All "great" because there's the "hope" that they'll get Jezombified in the end. Why wouldn't he just give all the traits needed to get to heaven in the first place? That, and why all of the Silly Curses and Grisly Bloodlust. And I will kill her children with pestilence and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Mar 22, 2018 20:14:49 GMT
No it's not.... It's in the eye of the dictionary. It's only in the eye of the moron where the line is blurry. The dictionary defines murder as the unlawful killing of a human. And since Jehovah set the law with his, "Thou shall not kill" speech, that makes him a murderer.
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Post by Vegas on Mar 22, 2018 20:27:54 GMT
No it's not.... It's in the eye of the dictionary. It's only in the eye of the moron where the line is blurry. The dictionary defines murder as the unlawful killing of a human. And since J ehovah set the law with his, "Thou shall not kill" speech, that makes him a murderer.Ya notice how that excludes God, moron? (God isn't a human) Also... yet again because you're that fcking stupid.... There is a difference between "murder" and "kill"... But... You'll never learn the difference: You're the kind of stupid that will always choose to be stupid.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 22, 2018 20:28:41 GMT
No it's not.... It's in the eye of the dictionary. It's only in the eye of the moron where the line is blurry. The dictionary defines murder as the unlawful killing of a human. And since Jehovah set the law with his, "Thou shall not kill" speech, that makes him a murderer. lol
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Post by Vegas on Mar 22, 2018 20:30:44 GMT
The dictionary defines murder as the unlawful killing of a human. And since Jehovah set the law with his, "Thou shall not kill" speech, that makes him a murderer. lolThat's probably a more effective response than mine.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 22, 2018 20:40:14 GMT
tpfkar Ya notice how that excludes God, moron? (God isn't a human) Also... yet again because you're that fcking stupid.... There is a difference between "murder" and "kill"... But... You'll never learn the difference: You're the kind of stupid that will always choose to be stupid. That makes it so much better. He's like a sweetheart xenomorph! And always great to see the disabled dribbling on about "stupid". I'm not demeaning a rape victim... I'm demeaning a bitch who happens to be a rape victim.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 22, 2018 20:46:17 GMT
That's probably a more effective response than mine. Your way seemed more fun.
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