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Post by merh on Mar 17, 2018 14:58:59 GMT
Because one wouldn't expect signs in a language other than Chinese 200 yrs ago in China. Or 400 or however the hell long ago it was LOL!!! You're still trying to defend your lame and losing argument that I've already debunked. Since you're obviously slow at understanding things and you still don't get why your argument is so stupid and a losing argument, I'll make it very simple for you to understand and debunk your lame and losing argument once and for all:
Saying that Steve Rogers can assume the US won the war just because Times Square had many signs in English is as stupid as saying if a German soldier was frozen in 1944 and woke up in Berlin in 2011, he can assume that Germany won the war because Berlin in 2011 has many signs in German and as stupid as saying if a Japanese soldier was frozen in 1944 and woke up in Tokyo in 2011, he can assume that Japan won the war because Tokyo in 2011 has many signs in Japanese. Now do you understand why your argument is so lame and a losing argument?
Steve Rogers couldn't make any assumption about who won WWII based on the signs in Times Square. But like I said before, Steve Rogers didn't ask who won the war because Steve Rogers never gave a shit about WWII.
Where are the swastikas in Germany these days? A soldier from the war would notice that. Japan is a very strange place. I dont believe a walk through Tokyo today is reminiscent of WWII.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 20, 2018 23:26:46 GMT
I don't think he aspires to be a dictator, but I do think he is extreme. I do think Steve Rogers wants to be a tyrant because he clearly doesn't believe in the Constitution or trial by jury. Bucky killed 2 people. If Steve Rogers thinks that Bucky shouldn't be held accountable for those 2 killings, then they can argue that at trial in front of a jury. And despite the claims by MCU fans that Bucky wasn't getting a trial and despite the bad writing in Civil War claiming that Bucky wasn't getting a trial, the fact is that Bucky was 100% guaranteed a trial by jury. But Steve Rogers didn't want a trial because, like most tyrants, Steve Rogers doesn't believe in trial by jury. Steve Rogers doesn't believe that the people should judge him or his BFF because he and his BFF are more powerful than the people and should be ruling over the people rather than be judged by the people.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 21, 2018 0:12:23 GMT
I don't think he aspires to be a dictator, but I do think he is extreme. I do think Steve Rogers wants to be a tyrant because he clearly doesn't believe in the Constitution or trial by jury. He believes in it more than any DC hero.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 21, 2018 0:17:14 GMT
I do think Steve Rogers wants to be a tyrant because he clearly doesn't believe in the Constitution or trial by jury. He believes in it more than any DC hero. No, he doesn't. That's why he didn't want a trial for Bucky. It was 100% guaranteed that Bucky would get a trial by jury. But Steve Rogers didn't want a trial for Bucky because he didn't want the people to judge Bucky since he believes that he and Bucky and the Avengers should rule over the people rather than be judged by the people.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 21, 2018 0:25:14 GMT
He believes in it more than any DC hero. No, he doesn't. That's why he didn't want a trial for Bucky. It was 100% guaranteed that Bucky would get a trial by jury. Except where it's clearly stated he wouldn't and since they failed to kill him they would just keep him locked up. He believes in the spirit of America more than Superman, who only showed up at the Capitol Building because he was humoring people and otherwise cares nothing for their opinion or the rule of law.
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Post by damngumby on Mar 21, 2018 1:03:08 GMT
I do think Steve Rogers wants to be a tyrant I think it’s been explained to you before that Steve Rogers isn’t a real person. He is a fictional character controlled by writers ... who have no intention of making him into a tyrant. It’s kinda like when you play with your superhero action figures. They have no free will.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 21, 2018 1:11:08 GMT
No, he doesn't. That's why he didn't want a trial for Bucky. It was 100% guaranteed that Bucky would get a trial by jury. Except where it's clearly stated he wouldn't and since they failed to kill him they would just keep him locked up. That's just bad writing. A plot contrivance. It's a fact that it was 100% guaranteed that Bucky would get a trial by jury.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Mar 21, 2018 2:08:21 GMT
I don't think he aspires to be a dictator, but I do think he is extreme. I do think Steve Rogers wants to be a tyrant because he clearly doesn't believe in the Constitution or trial by jury. Bucky killed 2 people. If Steve Rogers thinks that Bucky shouldn't be held accountable for those 2 killings, then they can argue that at trial in front of a jury. And despite the claims by MCU fans that Bucky wasn't getting a trial and despite the bad writing in Civil War claiming that Bucky wasn't getting a trial, the fact is that Bucky was 100% guaranteed a trial by jury. But Steve Rogers didn't want a trial because, like most tyrants, Steve Rogers doesn't believe in trial by jury. Steve Rogers doesn't believe that the people should judge him or his BFF because he and his BFF are more powerful than the people and should be ruling over the people rather than be judged by the people. Your grammar is attrocious
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 21, 2018 2:11:59 GMT
Except where it's clearly stated he wouldn't and since they failed to kill him they would just keep him locked up. That's just bad writing. Nope, it's closer to reality than anything DC's given us. People do die without trials. Lots of them. Bad writing is Gordon not being fired years ago.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 21, 2018 2:21:01 GMT
Nope, it's closer to reality than anything DC's given us. People do die without trials. Lots of them. Nope, it's just bad writing and contrived storytelling to claim that Bucky wasn't getting a trial when it was 100% guaranteed that Bucky was getting a trial by jury.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 21, 2018 2:33:39 GMT
Nope, it's closer to reality than anything DC's given us. People do die without trials. Lots of them. Nope, it's just bad writing and contrived storytelling to claim that Bucky wasn't getting a trial when it was 100% guaranteed that Bucky was getting a trial by jury. Nope, it was stated he'd get no trial and we know people don't all get trials in real life. The bad writing is Gordon still having a job. And Superman not being in trouble for destroying federal property. Seriously, learn how the world works. You'll be a much less frustrated old man, Ken.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 21, 2018 2:38:54 GMT
Nope, it's just bad writing and contrived storytelling to claim that Bucky wasn't getting a trial when it was 100% guaranteed that Bucky was getting a trial by jury. Nope, it was stated he'd get no trial Another case of bad writing and a contrived plot in MCU movies. Similar to Ned bringing an explosive device into the Washington Monument and blowing up the elevator and not getting detained for questioning by DHS, FBI, or Capitol Police and similar to Klaue getting arrested in Korea and being interrogated not by Korean police but by an American spy and a Wakandan national. All cases of bad writing and contrived plots. we know people don't all get trials in real life. We know that anyone in Bucky's situation is 100% guaranteed a trial by jury. Only an idiot would believe otherwise.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 21, 2018 3:23:51 GMT
Another case of bad writing and a contrived plot in MCU movies. No, realistic. More realistic that Gordon keeping his job all these years. No, they was nothing left to link to Ned. This isn't something as stupid as Superman letting people keep the Kryptonian ship after MOS. Quite believable. Moreso than the DCEU never telling us what happened to Doomsday's body after BvS or the Kryptonite Spear. To not get a trial or be treated fairly. Unlike the DCEU where Batman kills but won't kill Joker.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 21, 2018 4:22:54 GMT
Another case of bad writing and a contrived plot in MCU movies. No, realistic. More realistic that Gordon keeping his job all these years. Nope, not realistic at all. It was 100% guaranteed that Bucky would get a trial by jury so it made no sense at all for Cap and Bucky to flee, unless Cap didn't want a trial for Bucky because Cap believes that he and Bucky and the Avengers should rule over the people rather than be judged by the people.
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Post by damngumby on Mar 21, 2018 13:57:43 GMT
It was 100% guaranteed that Bucky would get a trial by jury so it made no sense at all for Cap and Bucky to flee What would be the age range of this argument ... Ages 8-12? Old enough to have watched the Sesame Street episode on how the US justice system is supposed to work, young enough not to know about things like Guantanamo Bay. Arguments that might work at the playground don't necessarily work here.
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 21, 2018 14:04:26 GMT
No, he doesn't. That's why he didn't want a trial for Bucky. It was 100% guaranteed that Bucky would get a trial by jury. Except where it's clearly stated he wouldn't and since they failed to kill him they would just keep him locked up. He believes in the spirit of America more than Superman, who only showed up at the Capitol Building because he was humoring people and otherwise cares nothing for their opinion or the rule of law.Cares nothing? It was a sign of good faith and that he DOES care about their opinion, the law, etc. Captain America hasn't even done that much. Superman has surrendered to the authorities, met with govt. officials, etc. in many versions. Cap just starts swinging and runs whenever he doesn't like something the govt. does.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 21, 2018 16:21:04 GMT
Except where it's clearly stated he wouldn't and since they failed to kill him they would just keep him locked up. He believes in the spirit of America more than Superman, who only showed up at the Capitol Building because he was humoring people and otherwise cares nothing for their opinion or the rule of law.Cares nothing? It was a sign of good faith and that he DOES care about their opinion, the law, etc. Captain America hasn't even done that much. Superman has surrendered to the authorities, met with govt. officials, etc. in many versions. Cap just starts swinging and runs whenever he doesn't like something the govt. does. Agreed. Superman does care about the opinion of the people and respects the authority of the people, which is why he willingly surrendered himself to the US military even though they had no power to arrest him and why he appeared at a Congressional hearing when summoned even though they had no power to make him appear. Cap, on the other hand, doesn't give a shit about the opinions of common people and doesn't respect the authority of the people, which is why Cap refuses to surrender Bucky, who brutally killed 2 civilians, over for a trial by a jury of the people. Regardless of the all BS claims that Cap defenders make, it should not be forgotten that Bucky brutally killed 2 innocent civilians. Whether Bucky is guilty of murder or a lesser charge because he may have been "brainwashed" is for a jury of the people to decide. But Cap believes that he and the Avengers should rule over the people, not be judged by the people, because they're more powerful than the people. Cap's argument is the old "Might makes Right" argument.
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Post by damngumby on Mar 21, 2018 16:59:18 GMT
Cares nothing? It was a sign of good faith and that he DOES care about their opinion, the law, etc. Captain America hasn't even done that much. Superman has surrendered to the authorities, met with govt. officials, etc. in many versions. Cap just starts swinging and runs whenever he doesn't like something the govt. does. Superman showed his true colors when he destroyed the government drone that he claimed was "spying" on him. (like a drone could actually spy on Superman ) It was an overt threat to US authority - do not fuck with me ... or else I'll do to you what I did to this drone!Plus, his complete indifference to the thousands of insects (people) he killed during his throw-down with another super man. Superman "surrendering" to the authorities is just lip service. No earthly power can contain him. There is zero risk that he might have to submit to something against his will. Captain America can be contained. He can be killed. Surrendering to the authorities for CA is a huge risk ... particularly when those authorities may be in cahoots with the bad guys.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 21, 2018 17:09:07 GMT
He believes in it more than any DC hero. No, he doesn't. That's why he didn't want a trial for Bucky. It was 100% guaranteed that Bucky would get a trial by jury. But Steve Rogers didn't want a trial for Bucky because he didn't want the people to judge Bucky since he believes that he and Bucky and the Avengers should rule over the people rather than be judged by the people. Steve knew they were there to kill Bucky. Not take him in for trial. And what happened to these guys' trials? Not one trial.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 21, 2018 18:34:50 GMT
No, he doesn't. That's why he didn't want a trial for Bucky. It was 100% guaranteed that Bucky would get a trial by jury. But Steve Rogers didn't want a trial for Bucky because he didn't want the people to judge Bucky since he believes that he and Bucky and the Avengers should rule over the people rather than be judged by the people. Steve knew they were there to kill Bucky. Not take him in for trial. 1st, Steve's assumption was incorrect since they didn't kill Bucky when they could've and instead arrested Bucky, which meant they intended to give him a trial. 2nd, Bucky was 100% guaranteed a trial by jury so there was no reason for Cap and Bucky to flee other than Cap believing that he and Bucky and the Avengers should rule over the people, not be judged by the people, because they're more powerful than the people. Cap's argument is the old "Might makes Right" argument. what happened to these guys' trials? Not one trial. Those guys didn't surrender peacefully and instead resisted and continued fighting. So killing them was justified. It's no different than when an armed bank robber shoots at cops and the cops shoot back and kill them. That's justified because the armed robbers refused to surrender peacefully and instead resisted nd continued fighting. Had Bucky surrendered peacefully, it was 1005 guaranteed that Bucky would get a trial by jury. Only an idiot would think otherwise.
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