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Post by kuatorises on Mar 13, 2018 17:01:32 GMT
Actually no, scratch that. I know why he became one, why did he stay one all the way through up Civil War? The guy has literally disagreed with everything the government/military has done in every movie after his first one so much so that by the time they reach Civil War he’s even questioning World War II:
“Some would say it brought our country closer to war.”
Of course it did – and rightly so!
Didn’t he volunteer for World War II? Didn’t he volunteer to become a super soldier specifically to fight against the Nazis and Hitler? This isn’t some moral the gray area or military conflict. This is a god damn world war talking about. There is no more appropriate time to get involved then this particular situation. He disagrees with every single thing the US government has done in every one of these movies – even a no-brainer like this. You can see his point in other situations, but this one, there's just no defending this. Did the writers make a mistake and simply throw that in there just so that he would be disagreeing with Tony or is the character so paranoid at this point that he even questions his involvement in the most just war of all time?
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 13, 2018 18:03:06 GMT
Actually no, scratch that. I know why he became one, why did he stay one all the way through up Civil War? The guy has literally disagreed with everything the government/military has done in every movie after his first one so much so that by the time they reach Civil War he’s even questioning World War II: “Some would say it brought our country closer to war.” Of course it did – and rightly so! Didn’t he volunteer for World War II? Didn’t he volunteer to become a super soldier specifically to fight against the Nazis and Hitler? This isn’t some moral the gray area or military conflict. This is a god damn world war talking about. There is no more appropriate time to get involved then this particular situation. He disagrees with every single thing the US government has done in every one of these movies – even a no-brainer like this. You can see his point in other situations, but this one, there's just no defending this. Did the writers make a mistake and simply throw that in there just so that he would be disagreeing with Tony or is the character so paranoid at this point that he even questions his involvement in the most just war of all time? He volunteered for WW2 to fight against bullies. He stayed on because he found some in America, also.
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 13, 2018 18:07:42 GMT
Actually no, scratch that. I know why he became one, why did he stay one all the way through up Civil War? The guy has literally disagreed with everything the government/military has done in every movie after his first one so much so that by the time they reach Civil War he’s even questioning World War II: “Some would say it brought our country closer to war.” Of course it did – and rightly so! Didn’t he volunteer for World War II? Didn’t he volunteer to become a super soldier specifically to fight against the Nazis and Hitler? This isn’t some moral the gray area or military conflict. This is a god damn world war talking about. There is no more appropriate time to get involved then this particular situation. He disagrees with every single thing the US government has done in every one of these movies – even a no-brainer like this. You can see his point in other situations, but this one, there's just no defending this. Did the writers make a mistake and simply throw that in there just so that he would be disagreeing with Tony or is the character so paranoid at this point that he even questions his involvement in the most just war of all time? He volunteered for WW2 to fight against bullies. He stayed on because he found some in America, also. Why the quoted text then? It's a direct shot at the US's involvement in World War II.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 13, 2018 19:22:22 GMT
Actually no, scratch that. I know why he became one, why did he stay one all the way through up Civil War? The guy has literally disagreed with everything the government/military has done in every movie after his first one so much so that by the time they reach Civil War he’s even questioning World War II: “Some would say it brought our country closer to war.” Of course it did – and rightly so! Didn’t he volunteer for World War II? Didn’t he volunteer to become a super soldier specifically to fight against the Nazis and Hitler? This isn’t some moral the gray area or military conflict. This is a god damn world war talking about. There is no more appropriate time to get involved then this particular situation. He disagrees with every single thing the US government has done in every one of these movies – even a no-brainer like this. You can see his point in other situations, but this one, there's just no defending this. Did the writers make a mistake and simply throw that in there just so that he would be disagreeing with Tony or is the character so paranoid at this point that he even questions his involvement in the most just war of all time? So basically you think Cap belongs in Guantanamo Bay.
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Post by kleinreturns on Mar 13, 2018 19:37:58 GMT
Actually no, scratch that. I know why he became one, why did he stay one all the way through up Civil War? The guy has literally disagreed with everything the government/military has done in every movie after his first one so much so that by the time they reach Civil War he’s even questioning World War II: “Some would say it brought our country closer to war.” Of course it did – and rightly so! Didn’t he volunteer for World War II? Didn’t he volunteer to become a super soldier specifically to fight against the Nazis and Hitler? This isn’t some moral the gray area or military conflict. This is a god damn world war talking about. There is no more appropriate time to get involved then this particular situation. He disagrees with every single thing the US government has done in every one of these movies – even a no-brainer like this. You can see his point in other situations, but this one, there's just no defending this. Did the writers make a mistake and simply throw that in there just so that he would be disagreeing with Tony or is the character so paranoid at this point that he even questions his involvement in the most just war of all time? So basically you think Cap belongs in Guantanamo Bay. LOL!!!!
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 13, 2018 21:03:47 GMT
He volunteered for WW2 to fight against bullies. He stayed on because he found some in America, also. Why the quoted text then? It's a direct shot at the US's involvement in World War II. Actually, that's a shot at Tony not the U.S.'s involvement in WWII. Those are his father's pens that signed a Bill that helped with the war. His son is giving them to Rogers to sign something that could lead them to war. Which the moment does.
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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 13, 2018 21:41:51 GMT
It suits his homosexual lifestyle.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 13, 2018 21:49:24 GMT
It suits his homosexual lifestyle. Pistachio, there is no such thing as a homosexual lifestyle - it's a sexual orientation. Did you ever apologize to DairyHeiress?
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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 13, 2018 22:10:48 GMT
It suits his homosexual lifestyle. Pistachio, there is no such thing as a homosexual lifestyle - it's a sexual orientation. Did you ever apologize to DairyHeiress? Yeah you read that I did. Anyway homo is not Cap’s orientation. He’s not gay. But his lifestyle is. I thought the films made that clear.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 13, 2018 22:11:41 GMT
What does the signing of the Lend-Lease Act have to do with signing the Accords? Is Tony insinuating that the Avengers will now be a Lend-Lease type organization treated as weapons/equipment that can allocated to those countries with the greatest need?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 13, 2018 22:15:02 GMT
Pistachio, there is no such thing as a homosexual lifestyle - it's a sexual orientation. Did you ever apologize to DairyHeiress ? Yeah you read that I did. Anyway homo is not Cap’s orientation. He’s not gay. But his lifestyle is. I thought the films made that clear. Ah, yes, you're wise beyond your years, P (even though I don't know how many they number). Why don't you enlighten the group as to what a homosexual "lifestyle" entails and how it applies to Captain Rogers? Go into as much detail as you can. I'm sure many will profit from your insights.
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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 13, 2018 22:28:53 GMT
Yeah you read that I did. Anyway homo is not Cap’s orientation. He’s not gay. But his lifestyle is. I thought the films made that clear. Ah, yes, you're wise beyond your years, P (even though I don't know how many they number). Why don't you enlighten the group as to what a homosexual "lifestyle" entails and how it applies to Captain Rogers? Go into as much detail as you can. I'm sure many will profit from your insights. Why did you say that there is no such thing as a gay lifestyle? One’s orientation does not always match their lifestyle. Some are gay but they live a life of denial. Those who embrace it live a gay lifestyle. But enough about you being wrong about something once again. Tell me, were you always terribly boring?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 13, 2018 22:34:09 GMT
Ah, yes, you're wise beyond your years, P (even though I don't know how many they number). Why don't you enlighten the group as to what a homosexual "lifestyle" entails and how it applies to Captain Rogers? Go into as much detail as you can. I'm sure many will profit from your insights. Why did you say that there is no such thing as a gay lifestyle? One’s orientation does not always match their lifestyle. Some are gay but they live a life of denial. Those who embrace it live a gay lifestyle. But enough about you being wrong about something once again. Tell me, were you always terribly boring? P. Sweet P. You misunderstand me. I have only come here seeking knowledge. Things they would not teach me of in college. Why are you so reluctant to share your knowledge with a humble student?
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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 13, 2018 22:41:54 GMT
Why did you say that there is no such thing as a gay lifestyle? One’s orientation does not always match their lifestyle. Some are gay but they live a life of denial. Those who embrace it live a gay lifestyle. But enough about you being wrong about something once again. Tell me, were you always terribly boring? P. Sweet P. You misunderstand me. I have only come here seeking knowledge. Things they would not teach me of in college. Why are you so reluctant to share your knowledge with a humble student? Well Dutch universities aren’t ranked very highly so that’s understandable.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 13, 2018 22:46:42 GMT
P. Sweet P. You misunderstand me. I have only come here seeking knowledge. Things they would not teach me of in college. Why are you so reluctant to share your knowledge with a humble student? Well Dutch universities aren’t ranked very highly so that’s understandable. Indeed, the Dutch would seem to be at a disadvantage, unless of course we count the mysterious Dutch Masters who make splendid rolling papers and cigars. Ah ha! I've trumped you! Be careful P, lest the servant becomes the master.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 14, 2018 1:08:12 GMT
That clip is why MCU's suck. All that quirky dragged out dialogue. For a superhero movie it is lame, dare I say, even gay. Should be more cartoon like: Tony Stark: (In Robert Taylor voice, enters room): "Rogers! We need to reign in our colleagues! Lives harmed! Cities destroyed! It has gone too far! The Accords are the way to bring back peace and stability. I know you'll support it for the good of America and the world! Steve Rogers: "Can't do it Stark. Evil doesn't honor treaties and regulations! We need the freedom to act when we must!" Tony Stark: "Your judgement is near-sighted." Steve Rogers: "Near-sighted? Don't forget I was knocking heads with Zemo and the Red Skull while you were still in diapers!" Tony Stark: "And you're technically at the age where you should be wearing them! But we'll set that aside...."
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 14, 2018 2:00:25 GMT
That clip is why MCU's suck. All that quirky dragged out dialogue. For a superhero movie it is lame, dare I say, even gay. Should be more cartoon like: Tony Stark: (In Robert Taylor voice, enters room): "Rogers! We need to reign in our colleagues! Lives harmed! Cities destroyed! It has gone too far! The Accords are the way to bring back peace and stability. I know you'll support it for the good of America and the world! Steve Rogers: "Can't do it Stark. Evil doesn't honor treaties and regulations! We need the freedom to act when we must!" Tony Stark: "Your judgement is near-sighted." Steve Rogers: "Near-sighted? Don't forget I was knocking heads with Zemo and the Red Skull while you were still in diapers!" Tony Stark: "And you're technically at the age where you should be wearing them! But we'll set that aside...." What, like Nolan's silly operatic monologues were any better?
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 14, 2018 2:08:06 GMT
What, like Nolan's silly operatic monologues were any better? I dont think Nolan's were much better, but that clip is really meandering, mumbly Joe stuff.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 14, 2018 2:10:14 GMT
What, like Nolan's silly operatic monologues were any better? I dont think Nolan's were much better, but that clip is really meandering, mumbly Joe stuff. If you don't like using your brain. The MCU goes for naturalistic dialog instead of pretentious dialog like we'd get from Fox and DCEU.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 14, 2018 2:11:50 GMT
If you don't like using your brain. I do, but not if it means hearing irrelevant banal dialogue.
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