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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 23, 2018 2:15:16 GMT
Okay, my weird JW story... I have a brother called... well, let's say he's called Bob. Bob comes to hang out with me every now and again on the weekends, used to do so a lot more before he got himself all married up. So one day Bob and I are lounging in the lounge (appropriate!) watching TV when the doorbell rings. And two JWs are outside. And they tell me that a couple of days ago in the nearby town centre, somebody named Bob told one of their people that he was feeling suicidal and needed spiritual help. So I actually got to call in to my brother "Hey, Bob! There's a guy out here says you want to kill yourself, is that so?" I've rarely seen him look as confused as he did when he came out to find what the hell was going on. All I can guess is that somebody gave them a fake name and address as a joke... and just happened to give them my address and my brother's name by pure coincidence. Seems pretty unlikely, but then it was a rental property so I guess there would be a number of ex-tenants around who knew the address. I'd be tempted to think that the JWs just flat out lied, but that doesn't sound like them, and anyway how would they know my brother's name? Always stuck with me as one of the little oddities that happen to people now and again. That is one weird JW story, I have to admit. My story about my former colleague was just flat out funny, well, maybe not funny for the two women who knocked on his door. Where I live, there has actually been an increase of Mormon door-to-door encounters. I've seen them in the small town that I live outside of, walking along together in suits with satchels of pamphlets. I deal with it by not answering my door unless I know who is on the other side. Where I live, in a rural area, there is a problem with push-in robberies and problems with drug users; I've called 9-1-1 four times in the last few years, and for good reason. The deputies know me by name, and they have told me about the many ruses used to gain entrance to a house. So I get the occasional pamphlet left in my door, but I just pitch it.
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 23, 2018 9:08:13 GMT
tpfkar Why are you guys always so freely blasphemin'? Does a banana have a brain and organs too? Yet it shares roughly the same % of DNA to us as a Fruit Fly. The evidence discredits itself.Well Cody is an ignorant heretic. A single word can have more than one meaning, and the way it's used depends on the wider context. The Hebrew word translated as evil is "Ra". It appears in the bible for various different references. For example sin, castostrophe or disaster, physical illness or destress are all described as evil. Hence why most translations don't use the word evil for Isaiah 45:7: I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things" Isaiah 45:7 NIVI create the light and make the darkness. I send good times and bad times. I, the LORD, am the one who does these things Isaiah 45:7 NLTI form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things Isaiah 45:7 ESVThe One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these Isaiah 45:7 NASBWe know God can't be the creator of moral evil because: “For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;” 1 Timothy 4:4
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 23, 2018 9:26:01 GMT
Well Cody is an ignorant heretic. A single word can have more than one meaning, and the way it's used depends on the wider context. The Hebrew word translated as evil is "Ra". It appears in the bible for various different references. For example sin, castostrophe or disaster, physical illness or destress are all described as evil. Hence why most translations don't use the word evil for Isaiah 45:7: I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things" Isaiah 45:7 NIVI create the light and make the darkness. I send good times and bad times. I, the LORD, am the one who does these things Isaiah 45:7 NLTI form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things Isaiah 45:7 ESVThe One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these Isaiah 45:7 NASBWe know God can't be the creator of moral evil because: “For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;” 1 Timothy 4:4 So even going with your translations, if 1 Timothy 4:4 is true, then disaster, bad times, and calamity are good. Well, all right then.
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 23, 2018 9:49:06 GMT
A single word can have more than one meaning, and the way it's used depends on the wider context. The Hebrew word translated as evil is "Ra". It appears in the bible for various different references. For example sin, castostrophe or disaster, physical illness or destress are all described as evil. Hence why most translations don't use the word evil for Isaiah 45:7: I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things" Isaiah 45:7 NIVI create the light and make the darkness. I send good times and bad times. I, the LORD, am the one who does these things Isaiah 45:7 NLTI form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things Isaiah 45:7 ESVThe One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these Isaiah 45:7 NASBWe know God can't be the creator of moral evil because: “For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;” 1 Timothy 4:4 So even going with your translations, if 1 Timothy 4:4 is true, then disaster, bad times, and calamity are good. Well, all right then. God can bring "disaster, bad times and calamities" as punishment on those who persist in their hard hearted rebelliousness against him.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 23, 2018 9:55:05 GMT
So even going with your translations, if 1 Timothy 4:4 is true, then disaster, bad times, and calamity are good. Well, all right then. God brings "disaster, bad times and calamities" on those who persist in their hard hearted rebelliousness against him. I guess it's convenient for God that those hard hearted rebels congregate in flood, tornado, and hurricane prone areas. Makes it easier to take many out at once.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Mar 23, 2018 12:51:42 GMT
God may not want to stop evil ... and I personally believe that God wants us to grow. No one knows the mind of God except the Holy Spirit. So really your guess as to what this purported deity's motives are is a good as mine. It might just be that your god is a trickster. This would explain why evil was created - along with that mischievous and perpetually vexing suggestion that mankind continually needs to be punished, to compensate for what would be inevitable anyway in the imperfectly-made.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Mar 23, 2018 12:54:52 GMT
So even going with your translations, if 1 Timothy 4:4 is true, then disaster, bad times, and calamity are good. Well, all right then. God can bring "disaster, bad times and calamities" as punishment on those who persist in their hard hearted rebelliousness against him. Is this where we blame homosexuality, atheism and the Muslims for earthquakes? It all makes sense now!
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Post by Isapop on Mar 23, 2018 13:26:21 GMT
God can bring "disaster, bad times and calamities" as punishment on those who persist in their hard hearted rebelliousness against him. Is this where we blame homosexuality, atheism and the Muslims for earthquakes? It all makes sense now! Your broad brush caricature is unfair, so let's clear it up.
It's just Muslims who are to blame for earthquakes.
Homosexuality is to blame for hurricanes.
Atheism only causes sewer back ups and reality TV.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Mar 23, 2018 14:07:12 GMT
Is this where we blame homosexuality, atheism and the Muslims for earthquakes? It all makes sense now! Your broad brush caricature is unfair, so let's clear it up.
It's just Muslims who are to blame for earthquakes.
Homosexuality is to blame for hurricanes.
Atheism only causes sewer back ups and reality TV.
I stand corrected, my apologies.
For what can we blame Gingers then?
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Post by Isapop on Mar 23, 2018 14:20:12 GMT
Your broad brush caricature is unfair, so let's clear it up.
It's just Muslims who are to blame for earthquakes.
Homosexuality is to blame for hurricanes.
Atheism only causes sewer back ups and reality TV.
I stand corrected, my apologies.
For what can we blame Gingers then?
If that's how you think, you really need to watch this. It changed my life; it might change yours. www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY39fkmqKBM
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 15:25:02 GMT
In my experience, you just let em do the spiel and then they always left. It's like they didn't mean any harm. And a kind and enlightened response to their mission resulted in no harm done on either side. I slammed the door in his face... wouldn't consider that harm.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Mar 23, 2018 20:37:28 GMT
God brings "disaster, bad times and calamities" on those who persist in their hard hearted rebelliousness against him. I guess it's convenient for God that those hard hearted rebels congregate in flood, tornado, and hurricane prone areas. Makes it easier to take many out at once. Are you saying there aren't a lot of horrible people living in single-wide trailers in Oklahoma and Mississippi? Because that's just crazy talk.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 20:44:03 GMT
So even going with your translations, if 1 Timothy 4:4 is true, then disaster, bad times, and calamity are good. Well, all right then. God can bring "disaster, bad times and calamities" as punishment on those who persist in their hard hearted rebelliousness against him. So that would mean that everybody killed in disasters... deserved it? What do children do to deserve being killed by god?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 23, 2018 21:58:32 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 23, 2018 22:05:42 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses%27_handling_of_child_sex_abuse#LawsuitsIn these cases, it's pretty clear that JW's as an organization can expect to pay the damages inflicted when a congregation doesn't follow the guidelines that are in place, Basically, as owners of the various congregations, they are liable for the negligence of their employee. Like most good lawsuits, this should lead to everyone within an organization to follow the guidelines that are in place and perfectly reasonable. Still nothing to indicate for at least 25 years, probably longer, that JW's have a policy of covering up molestations.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 24, 2018 1:31:31 GMT
I guess it's convenient for God that those hard hearted rebels congregate in flood, tornado, and hurricane prone areas. Makes it easier to take many out at once. Are you saying there aren't a lot of horrible people living in single-wide trailers in Oklahoma and Mississippi? Because that's just crazy talk. Those bigger twisters don't care much about what kind of structure you're living in. I got to see the Moore tornado aftermath up close and personal.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 26, 2018 1:59:27 GMT
God may not want to stop evil ... and I personally believe that God wants us to grow. No one knows the mind of God except the Holy Spirit. So really your guess as to what this purported deity's motives are is a good as mine. It might just be that your god is a trickster. This would explain why evil was created - along with that mischievous and perpetually vexing suggestion that mankind continually needs to be punished, to compensate for what would be inevitable anyway in the imperfectly-made. Yeah and that is a good point. When I say I believe then what I am really saying is that I hold that God is benevolent, and so I reason that God must have allowed this for a purpose and I think maybe this is it. At the end of the day I could be wrong there may not even be a god, but as the world stands at the moment and my interpretation of it, I believe as I do.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 26, 2018 2:09:39 GMT
Well Cody is an ignorant heretic. A single word can have more than one meaning, and the way it's used depends on the wider context. The Hebrew word translated as evil is "Ra". It appears in the bible for various different references. For example sin, castostrophe or disaster, physical illness or destress are all described as evil. Hence why most translations don't use the word evil for Isaiah 45:7: I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things" Isaiah 45:7 NIVI create the light and make the darkness. I send good times and bad times. I, the LORD, am the one who does these things Isaiah 45:7 NLTI form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things Isaiah 45:7 ESVThe One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these Isaiah 45:7 NASBWe know God can't be the creator of moral evil because: “For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;” 1 Timothy 4:4 I thought you were going to stop wasting time on my you lying shit stain.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Mar 28, 2018 10:30:36 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses%27_handling_of_child_sex_abuse#LawsuitsIn these cases, it's pretty clear that JW's as an organization can expect to pay the damages inflicted when a congregation doesn't follow the guidelines that are in place, Basically, as owners of the various congregations, they are liable for the negligence of their employee. Like most good lawsuits, this should lead to everyone within an organization to follow the guidelines that are in place and perfectly reasonable. Still nothing to indicate for at least 25 years, probably longer, that JW's have a policy of covering up molestations.
If you say so.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 29, 2018 12:56:48 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses%27_handling_of_child_sex_abuse#LawsuitsIn these cases, it's pretty clear that JW's as an organization can expect to pay the damages inflicted when a congregation doesn't follow the guidelines that are in place, Basically, as owners of the various congregations, they are liable for the negligence of their employee. Like most good lawsuits, this should lead to everyone within an organization to follow the guidelines that are in place and perfectly reasonable. Still nothing to indicate for at least 25 years, probably longer, that JW's have a policy of covering up molestations.
If you say so.
It's not me saying. It's your source. Even the Reveal one, which is essentially a blog for JW haters or ex-JW, reiterates what is stated in your better sources Anyone can sue for any reason and as I have clearly said, if JW's have it coming, they have it coming. What I am saying is that no one is going to jail over anything systemic with the JW organization and nothing you have posted has indicated otherwise. On the contrary, it provides clear evidence that they haven;t done anything to cover up stuff for at least 25 years.
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