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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 16:51:25 GMT
... to knock on my door and give me a pamphlet. I have a glass front door, and I could see the guy pause half way up the porch steps when I stood up in my underwear, glowering at him.
The guy wouldn't even meet my eyes when I asked, "Can I help you?"
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 17, 2018 17:46:12 GMT
... to knock on my door and give me a pamphlet. I have a glass front door, and I could see the guy pause half way up the porch steps when I stood up in my underwear, glowering at him. The guy wouldn't even meet my eyes when I asked, "Can I help you?" I once had a colleague who drank heavily, and on the next morning had his hangover disrupted by a knock on the door. He angrily opened his door, completely naked, and screamed "What the f**k do YOU WANT?" to the two women standing on the porch with pamphlet in hand. No one with a pamphlet ever knocked on his door again. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Mar 17, 2018 18:38:23 GMT
Wow they're really dedicated to being annoying. I haven't been bothered by JW in years though, the last time someone tried to sell me religion at my door was a Mormon, which is kinda odd since there's not really a ton of them where I live.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Mar 18, 2018 13:53:53 GMT
One question I usually ask JW & Mormons: If yours it the one true religion, why don't the masses beat a path to your temple/KingdomHall? Why use sweet-talk to get the to join and then hit them with your draconian rules. For the Mormons, I ask them to tell me about the Mountain Meadows Massacre..
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 18, 2018 13:57:28 GMT
One question I usually ask JW & Mormons: If yours it the one true religion, why don't the masses beat a path to your temple/KingdomHall? Why use sweet-talk to get the to join and then hit them with your draconian rules. For the Mormons, I ask them to tell me about the Mountain Meadows Massacre.. Popularity has never been the sign of a true religion. |
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Post by politicidal on Mar 18, 2018 14:10:41 GMT
In my experience, you just let em do the spiel and then they always left.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Mar 18, 2018 15:20:59 GMT
Popularity has never been the sign of a true religion. Weasel words: ... an informal term for words and phrases aimed at creating the impression that an authoritative and/or meaningful statement has been made, when, in fact, only a vague or ambiguous claim has been communicated, enabling the specific meaning to be denied if the statement is challenged.So, I'm gonna challenge it. I noticed that you used the indefinite article. What are some of the other "true" religions? Do you have a complete list? Do JW/LDS make any attempt to ascertain a victim's religion to see if they already belong to a true religion? Of course not. Each believe theirs is the ONE and ONLY true religion. Please explain why a true religion is not popular. If it is true, God would want it to be popular. And, why do JW/LDS feel the need to start with cajoling. Why don't you lead with - If your child needs a blood transfusion, we would rather let them die. Obeying our draconian rules is more important than your child's survival.
- Tell your kids to forget about Santa Clause and birthday parties cause we will excommunicate you if you don't.
- Don't forget to go out to dinner on October 31st because it's annoying to have strangers knocking on your door.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 18, 2018 18:22:15 GMT
Rodney FarberThere was nothing vague or ambiguous about my response to your extremely flawed argument. I would assume any religion that exists considers itself true. Now you go find the one that has as part of their tenets then need to be most popular. Yes, I would assume they would get to know the person they are talking to.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Mar 18, 2018 19:23:57 GMT
Rodney Farber There was nothing vague or ambiguous about my response to your extremely flawed argument. I would assume any religion that exists considers itself true. Now you go find the one that has as part of their tenets then need to be most popular. Yes, I would assume they would get to know the person they are talking to. "Now you go find the one that has as part of their tenets then need to be most popular." I would say that actually describes a lot of mainstream Christianity. A lot of churches have backed away from the whole "fire and brimstone" type preaching because that just scares away too many members. On top of that a lot of churches are tying to be "down with the kids" to salvage their decreasing numbers (Veggie Tales, Bible Man, Truth for Youth, church youth groups that have games, etc). If you're not trying to be popular obviously your numbers are gonna decrease. The fact that JWs aren't trying to be "popular" would explain their riddiculously high drop out rate. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 18, 2018 20:14:16 GMT
Rodney Farber There was nothing vague or ambiguous about my response to your extremely flawed argument. I would assume any religion that exists considers itself true. Now you go find the one that has as part of their tenets then need to be most popular. Yes, I would assume they would get to know the person they are talking to. "Now you go find the one that has as part of their tenets then need to be most popular." I would say that actually describes a lot of mainstream Christianity. A lot of churches have backed away from the whole "fire and brimstone" type preaching because that just scares away too many members. On top of that a lot of churches are tying to be "down with the kids" to salvage their decreasing numbers (Veggie Tales, Bible Man, Truth for Youth, church youth groups that have games, etc). If you're not trying to be popular obviously your numbers are gonna decrease. The fact that JWs aren't trying to be "popular" would explain their riddiculously high drop out rate. Good points but now we're going back to how they gain members which contradicts what Farber dude said. Are people supposed to be running to a religion simply because it happens to exist? Is that the sign of a true religion? Does it not take a bit of promotion or even change of message? Does it work without any additional advertising/preaching? I can't speak to non-Christian religions although they certainly do not seem terribly interested in people beating down the door. However, all indication in Christianity is that the desire to become a Christian becomes harder the closer one wants to imitate Christ. That is not an appealing message for most to just walk to without some marketing. Now Mormons have changed their message to an extent to be more inviting to minorities and whatnt, JW's have not but they have their methods of promotion. So maybe I can rephrase and say that while a true religion wants to be the most popular, it's not a need. |
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Post by goz on Mar 18, 2018 20:36:17 GMT
"Now you go find the one that has as part of their tenets then need to be most popular." I would say that actually describes a lot of mainstream Christianity. A lot of churches have backed away from the whole "fire and brimstone" type preaching because that just scares away too many members. On top of that a lot of churches are tying to be "down with the kids" to salvage their decreasing numbers (Veggie Tales, Bible Man, Truth for Youth, church youth groups that have games, etc). If you're not trying to be popular obviously your numbers are gonna decrease. The fact that JWs aren't trying to be "popular" would explain their riddiculously high drop out rate. Good points but now we're going back to how they gain members which contradicts what Farber dude said. Are people supposed to be running to a religion simply because it happens to exist? Is that the sign of a true religion? Does it not take a bit of promotion or even change of message? Does it work without any additional advertising/preaching? I can't speak to non-Christian religions although they certainly do not seem terribly interested in people beating down the door. However, all indication in Christianity is that the desire to become a Christian becomes harder the closer one wants to imitate Christ. That is not an appealing message for most to just walk to without some marketing. Now Mormons have changed their message to an extent to be more inviting to minorities and whatnt, JW's have not but they have their methods of promotion. So maybe I can rephrase and say that while a true religion wants to be the most popular, it's not a need. Why this? This view just confirms my accusation that the God/Jesus/Trinity set up people to fail and makes success (whatever that is) within the system a matter of both fear and emotional blackmail. ie: Follow me and do what I say even though it is tough. I have made it hard or you won't get the prize' (insert whatever that is in the various Christian religion be it eternal life/heaven/resurrection blah blah blah.) You have to jump through hoops to earn it. neener neener neener Hence my assertion that Christianity is both flawed because it is amoral, blackmailing people and hypocritical because the tenets of higher moral tone are not followed for the right reasons. Such followers ONLY follow Christ for personal gain ( and get brownie points for conversion of others) and not for the reasons that Christ set out ( allegedly though it was through many writers, translators and interpreters) in the Bible, of love kindness, empathy, assistance and forgiveness. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 18, 2018 20:43:20 GMT
Good points but now we're going back to how they gain members which contradicts what Farber dude said. Are people supposed to be running to a religion simply because it happens to exist? Is that the sign of a true religion? Does it not take a bit of promotion or even change of message? Does it work without any additional advertising/preaching? I can't speak to non-Christian religions although they certainly do not seem terribly interested in people beating down the door. However, all indication in Christianity is that the desire to become a Christian becomes harder the closer one wants to imitate Christ. That is not an appealing message for most to just walk to without some marketing. Now Mormons have changed their message to an extent to be more inviting to minorities and whatnt, JW's have not but they have their methods of promotion. So maybe I can rephrase and say that while a true religion wants to be the most popular, it's not a need. Why this? This view just confirms my accusation that the God/Jesus/Trinity set up people to fail and makes success (whatever that is) within the system a matter of both fear and emotional blackmail. ie: Follow me and do what I say even though it is tough. I have made it hard or you won't get the prize' (insert whatever that is in the various Christian religion be it eternal life/heaven/resurrection blah blah blah.) You have to jump through hoops to earn it. neener neener neener Hence my assertion that Christianity is both flawed because it is amoral, blackmailing people and hypocritical because the tenets of higher moral tone are not followed for the right reasons. Such followers ONLY follow Christ for personal gain ( and get brownie points for conversion of others) and not for the reasons that Christ set out ( allegedly though it was through many writers, translators and interpreters) in the Bible, of love kindness, empathy, assistance and forgiveness. It has nothing to do with failure and more to do with desire. We either want to live as Christians or we don't. Yes, there are standards associated with being a part of any particular religion, but it's pretty to not join and thus avoid being told what to do & especially with JW's and Mormons. |
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Post by goz on Mar 18, 2018 20:49:32 GMT
Why this? This view just confirms my accusation that the God/Jesus/Trinity set up people to fail and makes success (whatever that is) within the system a matter of both fear and emotional blackmail. ie: Follow me and do what I say even though it is tough. I have made it hard or you won't get the prize' (insert whatever that is in the various Christian religion be it eternal life/heaven/resurrection blah blah blah.) You have to jump through hoops to earn it. neener neener neener Hence my assertion that Christianity is both flawed because it is amoral, blackmailing people and hypocritical because the tenets of higher moral tone are not followed for the right reasons. Such followers ONLY follow Christ for personal gain ( and get brownie points for conversion of others) and not for the reasons that Christ set out ( allegedly though it was through many writers, translators and interpreters) in the Bible, of love kindness, empathy, assistance and forgiveness. It has nothing to do with failure and more to do with desire. We either want to live as Christians or we don't. Yes, there are standards associated with being a part of any particular religion, but it's pretty to not join and thus avoid being told what to do & especially with JW's and Mormons. Huh? |
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Post by Rodney Farber on Mar 19, 2018 13:43:07 GMT
Popularity has never been the sign of a true religion. Rodney Farber There was nothing vague or ambiguous about my response to your extremely flawed argument. You've migrated from weasel words to double talk. Catholicism seems to be a popular "true religion". How about Hinduism, Muslim, Judaism? Why do JW/LDS attempt to convert other "true religions" (as you call them). Your original comment was a broad, sweeping, emphatic, vague, declarative statement without any substantiation. What is your basis for saying "true religions" are never popular? Why do you have to cajole customers to join? If your religion is true, why not rely on word-of-mouth. Why withhold the draconian rules until after you've got them so hooked that your intimidation scares them from going back to their old religion? |
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Post by goz on Mar 19, 2018 22:58:15 GMT
Why this? This view just confirms my accusation that the God/Jesus/Trinity set up people to fail and makes success (whatever that is) within the system a matter of both fear and emotional blackmail. ie: Follow me and do what I say even though it is tough. I have made it hard or you won't get the prize' (insert whatever that is in the various Christian religion be it eternal life/heaven/resurrection blah blah blah.) You have to jump through hoops to earn it. neener neener neener Hence my assertion that Christianity is both flawed because it is amoral, blackmailing people and hypocritical because the tenets of higher moral tone are not followed for the right reasons. Such followers ONLY follow Christ for personal gain ( and get brownie points for conversion of others) and not for the reasons that Christ set out ( allegedly though it was through many writers, translators and interpreters) in the Bible, of love kindness, empathy, assistance and forgiveness. It has nothing to do with failure and more to do with desire. We either want to live as Christians or we don't. Yes, there are standards associated with being a part of any particular religion, but it's pretty to not join and thus avoid being told what to do & especially with JW's and Mormons. Is there any possible chance that you can tell me what this post means? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 20, 2018 0:14:03 GMT
It has nothing to do with failure and more to do with desire. We either want to live as Christians or we don't. Yes, there are standards associated with being a part of any particular religion, but it's pretty to not join and thus avoid being told what to do & especially with JW's and Mormons. Is there any possible chance that you can tell me what this post means? Your accusation is wrong and since it's also baseless, there's not much more to say to that until you provide more. |
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Post by goz on Mar 20, 2018 0:19:27 GMT
Is there any possible chance that you can tell me what this post means? Your accusation is wrong and since it's also baseless, there's not much more to say to that until you provide more. ...butt the last sentence is nonsensical and doesn't make sense. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 20, 2018 0:23:32 GMT
Rodney FarberDeflection. You are pretending that your idiotic statement didnt clearly define a true religion as one that people flock to. So are you saying Catholicism is popular because people are swarming to them in droves and thus the true religion? Could it be that they have infant baptism and a 1500 year head start in the proselitizing department? It doesn;t seem as if they fit your criteria either, but let's see how you contort it! I can only assume you will ignore a response. Because they want to. You haven;t given a sufficient reason for them to stop trying except "Derp, why don't the masses beat a path to your temple/KingdomHall?- Derp" Nope, it was very specific, to the point, and true. Yours was stupid and now you're getting all salty about it. You're probably about a day away from going full Bucky.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 20, 2018 0:37:45 GMT
Good points but now we're going back to how they gain members which contradicts what Farber dude said. Are people supposed to be running to a religion simply because it happens to exist? Is that the sign of a true religion? Does it not take a bit of promotion or even change of message? Does it work without any additional advertising/preaching? I can't speak to non-Christian religions although they certainly do not seem terribly interested in people beating down the door. However, all indication in Christianity is that the desire to become a Christian becomes harder the closer one wants to imitate Christ. That is not an appealing message for most to just walk to without some marketing. Now Mormons have changed their message to an extent to be more inviting to minorities and whatnt, JW's have not but they have their methods of promotion. So maybe I can rephrase and say that while a true religion wants to be the most popular, it's not a need. Why this? This view just confirms my accusation that the God/Jesus/Trinity set up people to fail and makes success (whatever that is) within the system a matter of both fear and emotional blackmail. ie: Follow me and do what I say even though it is tough. I have made it hard or you won't get the prize' (insert whatever that is in the various Christian religion be it eternal life/heaven/resurrection blah blah blah.) You have to jump through hoops to earn it. neener neener neener Hence my assertion that Christianity is both flawed because it is amoral, blackmailing people and hypocritical because the tenets of higher moral tone are not followed for the right reasons. Such followers ONLY follow Christ for personal gain ( and get brownie points for conversion of others) and not for the reasons that Christ set out ( allegedly though it was through many writers, translators and interpreters) in the Bible, of love kindness, empathy, assistance and forgiveness. Are you perfect? Is it hard to get rid of those niggling little habits you have that make things harder for you or are detrimental to your life? |
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Post by goz on Mar 20, 2018 1:10:26 GMT
Why this? This view just confirms my accusation that the God/Jesus/Trinity set up people to fail and makes success (whatever that is) within the system a matter of both fear and emotional blackmail. ie: Follow me and do what I say even though it is tough. I have made it hard or you won't get the prize' (insert whatever that is in the various Christian religion be it eternal life/heaven/resurrection blah blah blah.) You have to jump through hoops to earn it. neener neener neener Hence my assertion that Christianity is both flawed because it is amoral, blackmailing people and hypocritical because the tenets of higher moral tone are not followed for the right reasons. Such followers ONLY follow Christ for personal gain ( and get brownie points for conversion of others) and not for the reasons that Christ set out ( allegedly though it was through many writers, translators and interpreters) in the Bible, of love kindness, empathy, assistance and forgiveness. Are you perfect? Is it hard to get rid of those niggling little habits you have that make things harder for you or are detrimental to your life? I am not the one setting up a perfect standard like your Christ! |
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