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Post by goz on Mar 21, 2018 23:42:33 GMT
Your life and awareness to all that is around and within you is the proof. If you don't feel divine, that is your prerogative. Like I said, argue for your limitations, ya get to keep em'! Yes, my life and my awareness is around and within me and it dies with me. Anything else is wishful thinking at best, and probably jumbo mumbo jumbo. I am only limited by death, as are we all.
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Post by goz on Mar 22, 2018 1:06:28 GMT
Yes, my life and my awareness is around and within me and it dies with me. Anything else is wishful thinking at best, and probably jumbo mumbo jumbo. I am only limited by death, as are we all. What is around you, is only due to what is within. At the end if the day though, like the coin analogy, heads or tails, you are still left with same change which is the whole. Of course you need to decide for yourself the best course of action, truth and purpose about your own life and state of being. Consequences for our attitudes and behaviours will always ensue. That is just the nature of the universe. Regardless of what one feels and\or believes, it boils down to how we live, loved and what we were able to let go of. What does this blather even mean? Is there a point to this?
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Post by goz on Mar 22, 2018 5:11:57 GMT
What does this blather even mean? Is there a point to this? Yes! But a point that I can't make you see and I am attempting to keep it neutral here, due to my own understanding and your own. There is no right or wrong here, it just is. Regardless of what holistic awareness, religious affiliations, or even no belief in transcendce, oblivion, or whatever, what we do with our time here is how it is all measured. It is all action and all consequence and no matter what is denied or acknowledged, the purpose and truth of our lives is how we each conduct ourselves. Equanimity and rationale being key. No. I am not 'getting' this at all. 'Good' people, 'bad' people, 'mediocre' people, babies and old people all have a lifespan and then die. WTF is your point?
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Post by goz on Mar 22, 2018 10:05:46 GMT
No. I am not 'getting' this at all. 'Good' people, 'bad' people, 'mediocre' people, babies and old people all have a lifespan and then die. WTF is your point? I haven't argued that we won't die and that our realities are all impermanent. It's the connection to the bigger wider picture about your conscious being. I can't make you see or understand that we are ALL oblivion and forever. We are everything and nothing. Your life as an earthling\human, is not the be all end all. If you choose to believe this fine, but from my point of view, this is also a conceited and sequestered way of living. Everything is connected and your brain is only functioning your body, not your deeper subtle mind. More blather. WTF?
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Post by goz on Mar 22, 2018 21:12:55 GMT
It's just that you don't agree with what I was saying, not that you don't get my point of what I was expressing about us being eternal. That's cool! I haven't been asking you to agree, just expressing what I believe, for want of a better term.
In what way or form are we eternal? and how?
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Post by goz on Mar 22, 2018 23:22:22 GMT
In what way or form are we eternal? and how? You will have to just know it for yourself goz. I can't do your journey for you. It's about looking at your own life and the holistic nature and connectedness of it all. Perhaps you haven't met the right people in your life, or aren't open to the signs. It doesn't matter though like I said, you can argue for limitations, I can argue for my own acknowledgement, but at the end of the day, it's how we contribute that is most important. The rest will reveal itself. What cryptic crap! I am quite happy with my life, its holistic connectedness, my mindfulness, my 'spirituality' if you will, butt I don't expect it to live forever. What would be the point?
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Post by goz on Mar 23, 2018 21:34:32 GMT
What cryptic crap! I am quite happy with my life, its holistic connectedness, my mindfulness, my 'spirituality' if you will, butt I don't expect it to live forever. What would be the point? It's esoteric knowledge and understanding. Who said the point was about living forever in our current bodies? You won't always be goz the human body, that is inevitable; but the consciousness of your being will go on forever. The point is, to know that you are oblivion, not a materialistic physical being. That is naïve and not possible, just as I had no consciousness of my being before I was born. I doubt you did either.
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Post by goz on Mar 25, 2018 1:41:39 GMT
That is naïve and not possible, just as I had no consciousness of my being before I was born. I doubt you did either. What is not possible? Many of us may come back in another body and your present lifetime\journey at hand is what is relevant. Some people may have self-awareness of their conscious being before being born. What if the naivety is perhaps on your foot and not mine? There is absolutely no evidence for this. It is wishful thinking and a fanciful notion. In fact the evidence is that a foetus develops a form of consciousness around 24 weeks of gestation and thereafter is mainly in one of two kinds of sleep, to be 'awoken' at birth to start developing a more mature consciousness with the stimulii of the outside world. www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-does-consciousness-arise/Because consciousness is seated in the brain there is no possibility of consciousness or self awareness before the brain is mature enough (hence before existence) OR after death when the brain no longer functions to facilitate those feelings.
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Post by goz on Mar 25, 2018 3:26:26 GMT
There is absolutely no evidence for this. It is wishful thinking and a fanciful notion. In fact the evidence is that a foetus develops a form of consciousness around 24 weeks of gestation and thereafter is mainly in one of two kinds of sleep, to be 'awoken' at birth to start developing a more mature consciousness with the stimulii of the outside world. www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-does-consciousness-arise/Because consciousness is seated in the brain there is no possibility of consciousness or self awareness before the brain is mature enough (hence before existence) OR after death when the brain no longer functions to facilitate those feelings. Consciousness is seated above and around the top of the head. This is your crown chakra and affects and feeds into the brain and nervous system. It also serves other purposes in your body and your connection to the sense of spirit or holisitic nature within. You may or may not be interested in this: askclaudia.com/chakra-healing-crown-chakra/ No, I am not in the slightest bit interested in that kind of new age bollocks. This is coming from some one who meditates and has an interest in mindfulness as practiced in Buddhism and other philosophies, butt they are seated in the individual's mind control and not some nonsense outside your body. You may as well have linked to astrology ouija or crystals, for all the truth there is in that!
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 25, 2018 4:21:22 GMT
You will have to just know it for yourself goz. I can't do your journey for you. It's about looking at your own life and the holistic nature and connectedness of it all. Perhaps you haven't met the right people in your life, or aren't open to the signs. It doesn't matter though like I said, you can argue for limitations, I can argue for my own acknowledgement, but at the end of the day, it's how we contribute that is most important. The rest will reveal itself. ...butt I don't expect it to live forever. What would be the point?
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Mar 25, 2018 6:50:59 GMT
In "a" past life chosen at random I was Paul McGann. In my most recent past life I was Peter Capaldi.
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Post by goz on Mar 25, 2018 19:55:38 GMT
No, I am not in the slightest bit interested in that kind of new age bollocks. This is coming from some one who meditates and has an interest in mindfulness as practiced in Buddhism and other philosophies, butt they are seated in the individual's mind control and not some nonsense outside your body. You may as well have linked to astrology ouija or crystals, for all the truth there is in that! Didn't think you would be. Oh, yogic practices like mediation and chakras are not new age, they have been around for eons. Inside\outside, external\internal, it is all one and whole and the same. The subtle body is also a part of you, regardless of your denial of it and that is the truth of it. WTF is the 'subtle body'? To claim truth in this area of an attempt to link the philosophical ( or external as you phrased it) with the physical body is a large claim indeed, and IMHO about as probable as Creationist theory. Mind power is within the mind and you are just replacing God with some other external factor. This has always been my problem with the practice of Buddhism, butt not its philosophy of the power of the human mind. Did I mention I am into 'mindfulness' and yoga? just not all the attendant bullshit about chakras and re-incarnation.
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Post by goz on Mar 25, 2018 21:32:38 GMT
WTF is the 'subtle body'? To claim truth in this area of an attempt to link the philosophical ( or external as you phrased it) with the physical body is a large claim indeed, and IMHO about as probable as Creationist theory. Mind power is within the mind and you are just replacing God with some other external factor. This has always been my problem with the practice of Buddhism, butt not its philosophy of the power of the human mind. Did I mention I am into 'mindfulness' and yoga? just not all the attendant bullshit about chakras and re-incarnation. Buddhists believe in reincarnation. I don't see what is referred to as God as a separate being. If I was to label my belief, would say pantheistic. If the mind is within the mind, where is it? That's why I am not a Buddhist. This doesn't make sense. Want to re-phrase? Though I think you know what I am going to say about the seat of consciousness if that is what you are referring to.
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Post by goz on Mar 26, 2018 20:23:52 GMT
That's why I am not a Buddhist. This doesn't make sense. Want to re-phrase? Though I think you know what I am going to say about the seat of consciousness if that is what you are referring to. You are the one that claimed mind power is within the mind. I am asking you what the mind is then and where is it? The brain.
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Post by goz on Mar 26, 2018 21:26:40 GMT
The mind is not the brain though. The brain is a receptacle for the motor functions of the body. It is pure organic. Whatever else it does, the mind— wherever that may be—is just an abstract, like thoughts and thinking. If the mind is in the brain, where do you find it? Google is your friend as I am not a neuro/(add type of doctor or scientist) www.google.com.au/search?q=brain+function+thoughts&ie=&oe=That is general for the dummies. There is some amazing new research into cognition, brain function and stimulation. It proves the mind, cognition and consciousness are all in the functioning of the brain. My co-in law is working on the technological aspects of such research in Warsaw in Poland with a team of other European experts.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 27, 2018 1:29:52 GMT
The mind is not the brain though. The brain is a receptacle for the motor functions of the body. It is pure organic. Whatever else it does, the mind— wherever that may be—is just an abstract, like thoughts and thinking. If the mind is in the brain, where do you find it? The mind is just what it's like to be a brain. I mean, when you think does it seem like your thoughts are originating from your feet or butt? I would hope not.
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Post by goz on Mar 27, 2018 4:23:23 GMT
Google is your friend as I am not a neuro/(add type of doctor or scientist) www.google.com.au/search?q=brain+function+thoughts&ie=&oe=That is general for the dummies. There is some amazing new research into cognition, brain function and stimulation. It proves the mind, cognition and consciousness are all in the functioning of the brain. My co-in law is working on the technological aspects of such research in Warsaw in Poland with a team of other European experts. So if there is cognition and consciousness that proves the mind, where is the mind? If it is there, it has to come from somewhere. Where is this somewhere? Perhaps that is connected to the subtle body then. Again, it is in the brain. When the brain dies these functions cease. Haven't you heard of people on life support being brain dead? WTF is the subtle body? you seem unable to explain it, probably because it doesn't exist.
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Post by goz on Mar 27, 2018 23:19:40 GMT
Again, it is in the brain. When the brain dies these functions cease. Haven't you heard of people on life support being brain dead? WTF is the subtle body? you seem unable to explain it, probably because it doesn't exist. What functions die? The body or consciousness awareness? You are not your body. Brain dead is a term for a brain that has malfunctioned like a pc, even though the heart is still beating. If a person is regarded as brain dead, there heart is still beating and until that stops, a part of it is still connected\attached to the physical body. Where do you think the energy comes from that you refer to as the mind within brain? The subtle body is the Chakra system, without which, you wouldn't even be here, or have any consciousness at all, with or without a body. What functions die? Everything is dead. Body, brain, hence consciousness mind awareness the whole thing. This is because all of it is in the body somewhere. Chakra is nonsense if it is outside the individual system of life of a person who is now deceased. [quote[The subtle body is the Chakra system, without which, you wouldn't even be here, or have any consciousness at all, with or without a body.[/quote] Yet we have to have a body and more particularly a brain to have those things and when the brain dies ( even if not yet the body though that necessarily must soon follow unless there is medical intervention) EVERYTHING ceases. The energy for the body after brain death comes from the remaining circulatory system which when turned off means the body too will die, leaving nothing except remains. Hopefully some organs can be transplanted to save others and prolong their lives as it is all we have.
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Post by goz on Mar 27, 2018 23:25:39 GMT
The mind is just what it's like to be a brain. I mean, when you think does it seem like your thoughts are originating from your feet or butt? I would hope not. If you don't think at all and just be still and present and in the moment, what and where is originating from you then when no thought exists? I DO love double negatives. No thoughts can never exist, except perhaps in anaesthesia and death. As one who practices 'mindfulness' and meditation, with training one can release the mind from certain peripheral thoughts, yet the mind is ever present. This is all centred in the wonders of the human brain.
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Post by goz on Mar 28, 2018 1:29:02 GMT
I DO love double negatives. No thoughts can never exist, except perhaps in anaesthesia and death. As one who practices 'mindfulness' and meditation, with training one can release the mind from certain peripheral thoughts, yet the mind is ever present. This is all centred in the wonders of the human brain. I'd say you are only half awake goz. Thoughts on the peripheral, where are do they come from and are they yours? Thinking is you, that is the process, but thoughts are the overall content of everything within and without. You are the receptor of all that is whole and complete. Nope. Only within. The body including brain is whole and complete. Where is this 'without' thing seated in the without you claim? If the receptor is dead, you are frankly stuffed.
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