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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 6, 2018 21:04:10 GMT
Comics readers and general audiences expect different things from these characters because what they know about the characters is vastly different.
As far as the general audiences are concerned Superman does not kill and to have him kill is a mischaracterization that amounts to blasphemy and outrages them.
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Post by hardball on Apr 7, 2018 3:29:41 GMT
Agree with Kara finding out the truth only after Reign kills Mon El or Saturn Girl. That would have greater emotional impact and it would put Supergirl on the spot. Does she have what it takes to put down Reign, knowing who she is, and that as Sam she isn't aware of her actions? You know, I never really thought about this before but what happens if the show ends with Supergirl killing Reign knowing she is Sam and she has to live with knowing she killed one of her best friends and there was nothing else she could to do stop her. That could really change the course of the show moving forward and take Kara on a much darker path that is similar to the comic books. In the comic books one of the main differences between Superman and Superman is Supergirl (both Kara and Linda) have killed villains and Supergirl killing villains wouldn't be new but with this version of the character it would be interesting to see how she would deal with having blood on her hands. I am not famliar with the Supergirl comics so I don't know if she has faced this situation before. But thinking about it, I can't see Kara killing Sam if she is unaware of what she does as Reign. I have no problems with superheroes killing like Superman and Batman have done in the DCEU. With Reign however it's different because Sam is basically a vessel being used. It will be a brave move on the part of CW if Kara kills Sam because she is technically innocent.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 7, 2018 14:42:28 GMT
Yeah, this incarnation of Supergirl would have a hard time killing. Especially someone like Reign who is unaware of what they are doing and is simply a pawn.
Which is why I think Sam will feel so guilty about what she has done she will sacrifice herself as an act of atonement.
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Post by Larcen26 on Apr 9, 2018 14:17:37 GMT
I don't think there is any question that:
1. Sam will die. 2. She will die sacrificing herself to atone for what she has done as Reign.
The question is how the rest of the characters will react.
I am sure someone will blame Supergirl, adding conflict for next season. (At the very least Ruby, who will be raised by Alex, adding friction to the relationship.)
Lena has the possibility of coming over partially to her mother's side. Not wanting to kill Superman and Supergirl indiscriminately, but wanting to develop tech that could kill them just in case...kind of like J'onn and the Kryptonite.
I DON'T want Lena to become a full on villain. Too obvious. It's far more interesting to have her be an ally who occasionally dips into the dark side.
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Post by dazz on Apr 10, 2018 15:41:39 GMT
I wonder if the Supergirl team are ballsy/lazy enough to just rip off the Superman Vs. Doomsday fight and have Reign & Supergirl "kill" each other in brutal combat.
I would kind of dig this as and I keep wanting them to do it so a lot of theories I have will inevitably lead to this storyline but after Supergirl "dies" defeating Reign the Legion take Supergirl to the future where they can heal her, giving Supergirl a story arch in the future and when she comes back to the present they could also reimagine the rise of the supermen story but for Supergirl where Kara's been gone for a year due to time travel nonsense and in that time Power-Girl has been introduced, Bizarro Supergirl has returned and so on and have that be the return storyline for a few episodes or season long storyline of the show.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 11:52:36 GMT
No. I think it could it more in the direction of the actual 'Supergirl' comic books and give us a more faithful adaption of the character which is something both the movies and TV shows have been poor at doing with superheroes. As a longtime Supergirl fan who owns nearly every Supergirl comic book there is to own I can tell you for a fact both Kara and Linda killed and even burned villains into ashes and dropped them from the sky.
And Superman has killed in the comics. Doesn't mean he should do it on TV on in the movies. Like I have said in another thread, just because a story is good for the comics, doesn't mean it's good for TV or film. Does it work for TV? The debut episode premiered to around 13 million viewers and nearly half of the viewers tuned out after they saw the character was nothing like she was in the comics and Smallville’ and copying the show got the comic book series cancelled. It was only that the CW Network picked it up after CBS dropped it ‘Supergirl’ is still on air since the highest the current season is getting is 2 million viewers (which is 11 million less than the debut episode) and the CW Network are known for giving TV shows a much longer life than they would get on other networks. The problem with this show is it isn’t just different than the comic books but has absolutely nothing in common with 90 percent of them apart from the name, the powers (to an extent) and Kara Zor-El being Superman’s cousin and while it isn’t as bad as the ‘Catwoman’ movie with Halle Berry that didn’t have Selina Kyle it is nearly the same thing and is like a ‘Spawn’ movie with Peter Parker as ‘Spawn’ instead of Al Simmons.
It is not just one thing, it is the entire character. Instead of getting a ‘Supergirl’ TV show with Kara Zor-El or Linda Danvers the writers have given us a ‘Supergirl’ TV show with a female version of Clark Kent using the Kara Zor-El name eliminating all the elements that made Kara unique and her own character. While there have been various versions of Kara Zor-El in the comic books and a number of things changed with the character over the years Kara was always portrayed as being more alien than Superman and less trusting of humans and going back to the earliest issues of ‘Supergirl’ Kara spent the majority of time by herself ‘cause she had a hard time blending in with humans and at times she didn’t even like them or saw the point of saving them but did it ‘cause her cousin did and she didn’t have a human sister or human parents or any side characters like James, Winn, Lena, Martian Manhunter, Mon El etc that have all been given more screen time than Kara in episodes and overshadowed her or a permanent love interest like Clark had with Lois Lane.
This show has gone out of its way to humanise her by having Kara arrive on earth too early and grow up with a human family like Clark which has lost the character altogether and is like having Batman’s backstory with his parents being killed changed to having them live. They have depowered her to the point where she can’t fly around in space which looks absolutely ridiculous since Kara spent a LOT of time in space looking for the remains of Kandor and fighting villains and it was up in space where she first came across Reign in the New 52 series. They have failed to include all the Horror elements and Horror villains like vampires, werewolves, demons, monsters, witches and zombies that were in the Kara Zor-El and Linda Danvers comic books going back to the early years (AND were one of the best parts!!), they made her a reporter like Clark Kent and worst of all they gave her a secret identity - something which Kara does not have in the majority of Supergirl comic books as she spends most of her time as Supergirl practically living in the Supergirl costume sleeping in skies and in space.
While I don't hate the show as I have mentioned before or I wouldn't waste my time watching it but it is nothing like 'Supergirl' and the show should have started with Kara waking up on earth being new to the planet and having no past experience with humans. The writers of 'Smallville' weren't perfect with their adaption but their version was far more like the comic book character and this show should have been the 'Smallville' spinoff Laura Vandervoort was promised.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 12:12:35 GMT
You know, I never really thought about this before but what happens if the show ends with Supergirl killing Reign knowing she is Sam and she has to live with knowing she killed one of her best friends and there was nothing else she could to do stop her. That could really change the course of the show moving forward and take Kara on a much darker path that is similar to the comic books. In the comic books one of the main differences between Superman and Superman is Supergirl (both Kara and Linda) have killed villains and Supergirl killing villains wouldn't be new but with this version of the character it would be interesting to see how she would deal with having blood on her hands. I am not famliar with the Supergirl comics so I don't know if she has faced this situation before. But thinking about it, I can't see Kara killing Sam if she is unaware of what she does as Reign. I have no problems with superheroes killing like Superman and Batman have done in the DCEU. With Reign however it's different because Sam is basically a vessel being used. It will be a brave move on the part of CW if Kara kills Sam because she is technically innocent. That's okay. For one, the 'Supergirl' comic books are very different than the TV show as I mentioned on my previous post above and Kara was a more edgy and aggressive character who was pissed off over her planet being destroyed and wanted to find out who was responsible for it and kill them. Kara was more alien than Clark and less trusting of humans too 'cause she spent most of her life on Krypton and didn't have the years on earth that Clark did. She was not a symbol of hope either like Superman either and the government saw her as a threat 'cause of her anger and her being more powerful than Superman. Those were some of the main things that separated her from Superman and she didn't hold back with her powers and enjoyed fighting villains. The Kara in the comic books would snap Sam's neck without any hesitation if it meant saving millions of lives.
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Post by hardball on Apr 11, 2018 14:18:02 GMT
I am not famliar with the Supergirl comics so I don't know if she has faced this situation before. But thinking about it, I can't see Kara killing Sam if she is unaware of what she does as Reign. I have no problems with superheroes killing like Superman and Batman have done in the DCEU. With Reign however it's different because Sam is basically a vessel being used. It will be a brave move on the part of CW if Kara kills Sam because she is technically innocent. That's okay. For one, the 'Supergirl' comic books are very different than the TV show as I mentioned on my previous post above and Kara was a more edgy and aggressive character who was pissed off over her planet being destroyed and wanted to find out who was responsible for it and kill them. Kara was more alien than Clark and less trusting of humans too 'cause she spent most of her life on Krypton and didn't have the years on earth that Clark did. She was not a symbol of hope either like Superman either and the government saw her as a threat 'cause of her anger and her being more powerful than Superman. Those were some of the main things that separated her from Superman and she didn't hold back with her powers and enjoyed fighting villains. The Kara in the comic books would snap Sam's neck without any hesitation if it meant saving millions of lives. Thanks for your posts explaining what the comic Supergirl is like, and they're different all right. While it would be nice to see a more serious and tougher, Kara I don't see it happening. The CW is partly owned by Warner Brothers, and after the negative reaction to the brooding Superman, I think they'll keep Kara the way she is. The show was cancelled once before so the studio will try to avoid alienating viewers and will just stick to the CW formula.
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Post by Larcen26 on Apr 11, 2018 14:21:29 GMT
And Superman has killed in the comics. Doesn't mean he should do it on TV on in the movies. Like I have said in another thread, just because a story is good for the comics, doesn't mean it's good for TV or film. Does it work for TV? The debut episode premiered to around 13 million viewers and nearly half of the viewers tuned out after they saw the character was nothing like she was in the comics and Smallville’ and copying the show got the comic book series cancelled. It was only that the CW Network picked it up after CBS dropped it ‘Supergirl’ is still on air since the highest the current season is getting is 2 million viewers (which is 11 million less than the debut episode) and the CW Network are known for giving TV shows a much longer life than they would get on other networks. The problem with this show is it isn’t just different than the comic books but has absolutely nothing in common with 90 percent of them apart from the name, the powers (to an extent) and Kara Zor-El being Superman’s cousin and while it isn’t as bad as the ‘Catwoman’ movie with Halle Berry that didn’t have Selina Kyle it is nearly the same thing and is like a ‘Spawn’ movie with Peter Parker as ‘Spawn’ instead of Al Simmons.
It is not just one thing, it is the entire character. Instead of getting a ‘Supergirl’ TV show with Kara Zor-El or Linda Danvers the writers have given us a ‘Supergirl’ TV show with a female version of Clark Kent using the Kara Zor-El name eliminating all the elements that made Kara unique and her own character. While there have been various versions of Kara Zor-El in the comic books and a number of things changed with the character over the years Kara was always portrayed as being more alien than Superman and less trusting of humans and going back to the earliest issues of ‘Supergirl’ Kara spent the majority of time by herself ‘cause she had a hard time blending in with humans and at times she didn’t even like them or saw the point of saving them but did it ‘cause her cousin did and she didn’t have a human sister or human parents or any side characters like James, Winn, Lena, Martian Manhunter, Mon El etc that have all been given more screen time than Kara in episodes and overshadowed her or a permanent love interest like Clark had with Lois Lane.
This show has gone out of its way to humanise her by having Kara arrive on earth too early and grow up with a human family like Clark which has lost the character altogether and is like having Batman’s backstory with his parents being killed changed to having them live. They have depowered her to the point where she can’t fly around in space which looks absolutely ridiculous since Kara spent a LOT of time in space looking for the remains of Kandor and fighting villains and it was up in space where she first came across Reign in the New 52 series. They have failed to include all the Horror elements and Horror villains like vampires, werewolves, demons, monsters, witches and zombies that were in the Kara Zor-El and Linda Danvers comic books going back to the early years (AND were one of the best parts!!), they made her a reporter like Clark Kent and worst of all they gave her a secret identity - something which Kara does not have in the majority of Supergirl comic books as she spends most of her time as Supergirl practically living in the Supergirl costume sleeping in skies and in space.
While I don't hate the show as I have mentioned before or I wouldn't waste my time watching it but it is nothing like 'Supergirl' and the show should have started with Kara waking up on earth being new to the planet and having no past experience with humans. The writers of 'Smallville' weren't perfect with their adaption but their version was far more like the comic book character and this show should have been the 'Smallville' spinoff Laura Vandervoort was promised.Whoah, that was a lot. And I am not a Supergirl expert like you CLEARLY are... All I am saying is that selling the general public on a character with that iconic "S" on their chest as someone willing to kill is a stretch. Particularly since the Berlanti-verse is only about Oliver Queen and Kara Zor-El because the higher ups wouldn't let them use Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent. Comics Oliver is not a Batman rip off, TV Oliver pretty much is. Comics Supergirl is distinct from Superman, TV Supergirl isn't. I also highly disagree that any sort of ratings discrepancies are due to her not being edgier. This show is meant to be a Superman show, not an accurate translation of comics Supergirl. If there is any sort of single thing you can point to for the ratings it's the Men's Rights morons ranting and raving and generally being crybabies whenever they mention anything about the Strong Female Characters being Strong Female Characters. So they bailed, and let's face it, as unfortunate as it is, those idiots make up a decent number of Comic Book show viewers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 11:50:19 GMT
That's okay. For one, the 'Supergirl' comic books are very different than the TV show as I mentioned on my previous post above and Kara was a more edgy and aggressive character who was pissed off over her planet being destroyed and wanted to find out who was responsible for it and kill them. Kara was more alien than Clark and less trusting of humans too 'cause she spent most of her life on Krypton and didn't have the years on earth that Clark did. She was not a symbol of hope either like Superman either and the government saw her as a threat 'cause of her anger and her being more powerful than Superman. Those were some of the main things that separated her from Superman and she didn't hold back with her powers and enjoyed fighting villains. The Kara in the comic books would snap Sam's neck without any hesitation if it meant saving millions of lives. Thanks for your posts explaining what the comic Supergirl is like, and they're different all right. While it would be nice to see a more serious and tougher, I don't see it happening. The CW is partly owned by Warner Brothers, and after the negative reaction to the brooding Superman, I think they'll keep Kara the she is. The show was cancelled once before so the studio will try to avoid alienating viewers and will just stick to the CW formula. You’re welcome. I sadly don’t see them changing it in the TV show now either and the problem is Superman has long been portrayed as a light superhero who was a symbol of hope to people while Supergirl (Linda Danvers and most later versions of Kara Zor-El) were portrayed as aggressive and edgy superheroes who in some ways they were the opposite of Superman. The two work together ‘cause they were so different from each other personality wise and Clark and Kara clashed a lot in the comic books over how they should use their superpowers and how they should fight villains but they always made up and worked together in the end to defeat the villains when they teamed up. ‘Man of Steel’ took some of the darker tone from the ‘Supergirl’ comic books but they didn’t make Clark aggressive or edgy like Kara or go in a Horror direction.
It is important to note in the comic books there have been two main Supergirl’s. There was Kara Zor El who is the character they are using in the current ‘Supergirl’ show and then there is Linda Danvers who was actually the star of the biggest selling series of ‘Supergirl.’ Linda Danvers very different than Supergirl (Kara Zor-El) and Superman and instead of being Kryptonin she started out as a human who was a former drug addict and member of a demonic cult who sacrificed people to demons and when her boyfriend, Buzz (the cult leader) turned on Linda and tried to sacrifice her to a demon the Matrix intervened and saved her. Linda Danvers then merged with the Matrix to become the new Supergirl and she fought demons, vampires, monsters, aliens, werewolves, zombies, witches and even Lucifer to redeem her darkened soul.
Her powers while somewhat similar to Superman also included the ability to shapeshift, heal people, teleport, wings of flame, Telekinesis, make portals, absorb fire, shoot telekinetic blasts out of her hands, can blow things up by focusing on them with her mind and see the last few seconds of a dead person’s life just by looking into their eyes. After separating from the Matrix she went on to become the Earth Born Angel of Fire and was described as the most powerful being in the DC Universe. Unlike Kara and a lot of other DC characters Linda throughout the series too and was a teenager at the start and a 28 year old woman with a daughter at the end. Linda Danvers was my favourite character and if you never read the series it is worth checking out. I collected all the comic books when they first came out and they are currently being re-released in graphic novel form. There was a movie of the ‘Supergirl/Linda Danvers’ series in development back in the early 00s and Peter David was writing the script for it and Alicia Silverstone was the frontrunner for the role and a lot of people in DC thought it would be very successful and would attract ‘Buffy’ fans but one of the heads of Warner Bros stopped it from going through ‘cause he didn’t want to have an edgier Supergirl than Superman on screen which was a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 12:03:05 GMT
Does it work for TV? The debut episode premiered to around 13 million viewers and nearly half of the viewers tuned out after they saw the character was nothing like she was in the comics and Smallville’ and copying the show got the comic book series cancelled. It was only that the CW Network picked it up after CBS dropped it ‘Supergirl’ is still on air since the highest the current season is getting is 2 million viewers (which is 11 million less than the debut episode) and the CW Network are known for giving TV shows a much longer life than they would get on other networks. The problem with this show is it isn’t just different than the comic books but has absolutely nothing in common with 90 percent of them apart from the name, the powers (to an extent) and Kara Zor-El being Superman’s cousin and while it isn’t as bad as the ‘Catwoman’ movie with Halle Berry that didn’t have Selina Kyle it is nearly the same thing and is like a ‘Spawn’ movie with Peter Parker as ‘Spawn’ instead of Al Simmons.
It is not just one thing, it is the entire character. Instead of getting a ‘Supergirl’ TV show with Kara Zor-El or Linda Danvers the writers have given us a ‘Supergirl’ TV show with a female version of Clark Kent using the Kara Zor-El name eliminating all the elements that made Kara unique and her own character. While there have been various versions of Kara Zor-El in the comic books and a number of things changed with the character over the years Kara was always portrayed as being more alien than Superman and less trusting of humans and going back to the earliest issues of ‘Supergirl’ Kara spent the majority of time by herself ‘cause she had a hard time blending in with humans and at times she didn’t even like them or saw the point of saving them but did it ‘cause her cousin did and she didn’t have a human sister or human parents or any side characters like James, Winn, Lena, Martian Manhunter, Mon El etc that have all been given more screen time than Kara in episodes and overshadowed her or a permanent love interest like Clark had with Lois Lane.
This show has gone out of its way to humanise her by having Kara arrive on earth too early and grow up with a human family like Clark which has lost the character altogether and is like having Batman’s backstory with his parents being killed changed to having them live. They have depowered her to the point where she can’t fly around in space which looks absolutely ridiculous since Kara spent a LOT of time in space looking for the remains of Kandor and fighting villains and it was up in space where she first came across Reign in the New 52 series. They have failed to include all the Horror elements and Horror villains like vampires, werewolves, demons, monsters, witches and zombies that were in the Kara Zor-El and Linda Danvers comic books going back to the early years (AND were one of the best parts!!), they made her a reporter like Clark Kent and worst of all they gave her a secret identity - something which Kara does not have in the majority of Supergirl comic books as she spends most of her time as Supergirl practically living in the Supergirl costume sleeping in skies and in space.
While I don't hate the show as I have mentioned before or I wouldn't waste my time watching it but it is nothing like 'Supergirl' and the show should have started with Kara waking up on earth being new to the planet and having no past experience with humans. The writers of 'Smallville' weren't perfect with their adaption but their version was far more like the comic book character and this show should have been the 'Smallville' spinoff Laura Vandervoort was promised. Whoah, that was a lot. And I am not a Supergirl expert like you CLEARLY are... All I am saying is that selling the general public on a character with that iconic "S" on their chest as someone willing to kill is a stretch. Particularly since the Berlanti-verse is only about Oliver Queen and Kara Zor-El because the higher ups wouldn't let them use Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent. Comics Oliver is not a Batman rip off, TV Oliver pretty much is. Comics Supergirl is distinct from Superman, TV Supergirl isn't. I also highly disagree that any sort of ratings discrepancies are due to her not being edgier. This show is meant to be a Superman show, not an accurate translation of comics Supergirl. If there is any sort of single thing you can point to for the ratings it's the Men's Rights morons ranting and raving and generally being crybabies whenever they mention anything about the Strong Female Characters being Strong Female Characters. So they bailed, and let's face it, as unfortunate as it is, those idiots make up a decent number of Comic Book show viewers. Yeah. It is a lot and a lot of people who have never read the 'Supergirl' comic books and only know Supergirl from what they have seen on screen don't realise just how different Superman and Supergirl actually are since the closest thing we have had was the version we had in 'Smallville' and both Supergirl's (Kara and Linda) had very different personalities and backgrounds and the Kara Zor-El comic books went off into Horror while the Linda Danvers comic books were full on Horror and were somewhat similar to 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer.' It is a shame these shows can't seem to make characters the way they are supposed to be and have to make all these changes to them and Green Arrow was more similar to the comic book version in 'Smallville' too and one thing I liked about the 'Smallville' writers is they made the effort to make most of their characters like they were in the comic books and didn't make huge changes to them like the 'Arrowverse' has done. Prometheus, Doctor Alchemy, Anarky and Firefly haven't been anything like they were in the comic books either and I was mostly disappointed with Anarky 'cause I think having the Green Arrow face a real teenage Anarchist with a group of teenage followers who were willing to do anything for him would have been interesting to see.
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Post by BexxyJ on Apr 17, 2018 13:51:21 GMT
Deb is a mega Supergirl fan. She owns all the comics, books and costumes and has a Supergirl poster hanging up in one of our rooms. If she says something is wrong with the show I believe her because she knows more about the character than the writers.
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Post by Larcen26 on Apr 17, 2018 14:27:32 GMT
Deb is a mega Supergirl fan. She owns all the comics, books and costumes and has a Supergirl poster hanging up in one of our rooms. If she says something is wrong with the show I believe her because she knows more about the character than the writers. And nobody is questioning her knowledge or passion. What I don't agree with is that the Berlantiverse Supergirl HAS to be the same character as the comics, or is intended to BE the same character.
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Post by dazz on Apr 17, 2018 17:45:08 GMT
Deb is a mega Supergirl fan. She owns all the comics, books and costumes and has a Supergirl poster hanging up in one of our rooms. If she says something is wrong with the show I believe her because she knows more about the character than the writers. And nobody is questioning her knowledge or passion. What I don't agree with is that the Berlantiverse Supergirl HAS to be the same character as the comics, or is intended to BE the same character. I agree the TV version shouldn't be like her comic version or needs to be for it to work, I do however think Deb's gripe to a degree is a valid one in that the one thing she shouldn't be same with Green Arrow is that they shouldn't be portrayed as the misinformed idea most general audiences have of the characters prior to the shows, ie Green Arrow shouldn't be Batman with a Robin Hood fetish nor should Supergirl be Superman just in a skirt.
I mean sure they shows take baby steps away from that as we go along but both shows are basically formed on that premise because these shows are clearly stand ins for the bigger IP's DC is holding off for the big screen, but the shows should be making greater strides to turn the heroes into more in line with their source material as we go along, atleast personality wise even if for Supergirl it's only for a short time as clearly for a CW show aimed at a younger female demo having Supergirl be borderline psychotic is not something that can fly for long.
I don't think the building a team around her hurts the show really it's more about how it's handled that matters, much like in Flash where to justify the team they have to constantly deemphasise Barry and his abilities Supergirl has the same issue, instead of diminishing your hero to make their cohorts be useful simple embellish the villains to where it makes sense the hero needs back up.
Basically if the show was of a higher quality then the same set up would work fine because it's the quality of the stories that are at fault not so much the framework for the stories, Arrow is a great example of this the same things happen in s1 & 2 as they did in later seasons but the quality was up to snuff in those earlier seasons so the things like Felicity being Deus Ex Hachina, the team arguing with Oliver, Felicity being petty and self involved, and so on weren't an issue at the time because we were enjoying the show more.
So basically even if the gave as a Supergirl in story elements, plot set ups, genre tropes and so on Deb would want the show would still be iffy because the people writing it would fuck it up regardless.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 17, 2018 21:23:32 GMT
They could fuck up fucking up.
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Post by dazz on Apr 17, 2018 23:34:08 GMT
They did fuck up fucking up all the while they were fucking around with fuck knows what for fuck knows why, fucking fucks need to fuck off...fuckers.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 18, 2018 12:58:49 GMT
Wow. That's an impressive amount of fucks. I tip my hat to you sir.
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Post by hardball on Apr 18, 2018 13:16:33 GMT
Thanks for your posts explaining what the comic Supergirl is like, and they're different all right. While it would be nice to see a more serious and tougher, I don't see it happening. The CW is partly owned by Warner Brothers, and after the negative reaction to the brooding Superman, I think they'll keep Kara the she is. The show was cancelled once before so the studio will try to avoid alienating viewers and will just stick to the CW formula. You’re welcome. I sadly don’t see them changing it in the TV show now either and the problem is Superman has long been portrayed as a light superhero who was a symbol of hope to people while Supergirl (Linda Danvers and most later versions of Kara Zor-El) were portrayed as aggressive and edgy superheroes who in some ways they were the opposite of Superman. The two work together ‘cause they were so different from each other personality wise and Clark and Kara clashed a lot in the comic books over how they should use their superpowers and how they should fight villains but they always made up and worked together in the end to defeat the villains when they teamed up. ‘Man of Steel’ took some of the darker tone from the ‘Supergirl’ comic books but they didn’t make Clark aggressive or edgy like Kara or go in a Horror direction.
It is important to note in the comic books there have been two main Supergirl’s. There was Kara Zor El who is the character they are using in the current ‘Supergirl’ show and then there is Linda Danvers who was actually the star of the biggest selling series of ‘Supergirl.’ Linda Danvers very different than Supergirl (Kara Zor-El) and Superman and instead of being Kryptonin she started out as a human who was a former drug addict and member of a demonic cult who sacrificed people to demons and when her boyfriend, Buzz (the cult leader) turned on Linda and tried to sacrifice her to a demon the Matrix intervened and saved her. Linda Danvers then merged with the Matrix to become the new Supergirl and she fought demons, vampires, monsters, aliens, werewolves, zombies, witches and even Lucifer to redeem her darkened soul.
Her powers while somewhat similar to Superman also included the ability to shapeshift, heal people, teleport, wings of flame, Telekinesis, make portals, absorb fire, shoot telekinetic blasts out of her hands, can blow things up by focusing on them with her mind and see the last few seconds of a dead person’s life just by looking into their eyes. After separating from the Matrix she went on to become the Earth Born Angel of Fire and was described as the most powerful being in the DC Universe. Unlike Kara and a lot of other DC characters Linda throughout the series too and was a teenager at the start and a 28 year old woman with a daughter at the end. Linda Danvers was my favourite character and if you never read the series it is worth checking out. I collected all the comic books when they first came out and they are currently being re-released in graphic novel form. There was a movie of the ‘Supergirl/Linda Danvers’ series in development back in the early 00s and Peter David was writing the script for it and Alicia Silverstone was the frontrunner for the role and a lot of people in DC thought it would be very successful and would attract ‘Buffy’ fans but one of the heads of Warner Bros stopped it from going through ‘cause he didn’t want to have an edgier Supergirl than Superman on screen which was a joke.
The Linda Danvers Supergirl sounds more interesting. It would be nice to see Supergirl battling vampires, zombies, werewolves and other supernatural entities. I have never associated the character with those elements. If CBS went with that approach it would definitely be more like Buffy, which isn't a bad thing. I came across this article from Deadine, and when they were still pitching the show, the showrunners said they were going to do a "new" interpretation of Supergirl and her story. Well it isn't really new because as Dazz said she's really just a female Clark Kent.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 18, 2018 14:07:10 GMT
Someone needs to buy these guys a dictionary because they keep misusing words. Classes on storytelling wouldn't hurt either.
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Post by dazz on Apr 18, 2018 19:41:07 GMT
Technically what they said was right it is a new interpretation of Supergirl as she's never really been a female Clark before, she's been more pure and happy back in the day when comics had to always be sunshine and rainbows, but she was never a carbon copy of her cousin, so whilst this isn't an original interpretation it is a new interpretation of the character, semantics I know but still technically correct.
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