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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 29, 2018 11:19:03 GMT
Logan was only received well due to it being Jackmans' Swan Song. X2 was just a rehash of X1, DOFP only was received well because the Old Cast came back for their silly fairytale ending, the 90s X-men cartoon was actually not that good, Legion is just Legion in name, and Deadpool is going to suck now that Fox is interfering with it. Silly reasons. All those movies are superior to MCUs library. If you're creatively bankrupt. They just aren't good enough. It's good. For people who hate non-grounded stuff. Flawed people who generate the storyline with their character flaws and internal conflict instead of needing the villain to do everything for them. As opposed to making the villains the star of everything, the old lazy way out.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 29, 2018 11:22:14 GMT
they did a steller job of portraying charaters like Logan, Magneto, Prof X or even support characters like Quick Silver (unlike the forgettable MCU version): Boosting X characters in the top ten Best Movie Villains/Best Hero charts. Because back in 2000 there wasn't any real competition. Nowadays all they have is nostalgic value. Xavier and Magneto have hardly changed at all in 17 years. Introduce them nowadays and those flaws would be much more readily apparent. Sorry you wanted a pristine do-gooder with the same flat characterization. But Marvel's always been about NOT doing taking that lazy way out. Naturalistic characterization and ditching that silly Holocaust stuff. As for those movies, they were more or less independent films that Fox let the directors do whatever they wanted with. You keep complaining about Disney being assembly line stuff, but the only way that's true is that they get things done on time, on budget and they don't hire whiny Divas anymore who screw things up like Ed Norton or Mickey Rourke. And they stay away from Prima Donna directors who hold the source material in contempt. You don't see Disney doing constant reshoots and delaying films by months.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 29, 2018 11:33:56 GMT
Marvel isn't about taking the easy way out?
THEY TURNED THE MANDARIN INTO A WHITE DUDE!!!
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 29, 2018 11:40:35 GMT
Marvel isn't about taking the easy way out? THEY TURNED THE MANDARIN INTO A WHITE DUDE!!! Nolan did the same thing with Ra's Al Ghul and Talia (both middle eastern descent). No one complained there. Hell, they turned Bane (South American) into a White British Guy!
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 29, 2018 11:43:27 GMT
Marvel isn't about taking the easy way out? THEY TURNED THE MANDARIN INTO A WHITE DUDE!!! racially Kingley is Indian to some extent, thus brown-ish without showing it. But I get what you are saying.
Mandarin is a very iffy charater from a PC-perspective, and Disney-Marvel is all about PC.
As Sam would correctly say if it was not MCU: They are ashamed of comic books.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 29, 2018 11:45:48 GMT
Marvel isn't about taking the easy way out? THEY TURNED THE MANDARIN INTO A WHITE DUDE!!! Nolan did the same thing with Ra's Al Ghul and Talia (both middle eastern descent). No one complained there. Hell, they turned Bane (South American) into a White British Guy! Because at least the characters were taken seriously. The Mandarin twist was done as comedic relief and they had the angry nerd that was upset about Tony brushing him off. Hell Ben Kingsley gave a passable performance until the twist.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 29, 2018 12:00:10 GMT
Marvel isn't about taking the easy way out? THEY TURNED THE MANDARIN INTO A WHITE DUDE!!! racially Kingley is Indian to some extent, thus brown-ish without showing it. But I get what you are saying.
Mandarin is a very iffy charater from a PC-perspective, and Disney-Marvel is all about PC.
As Sam would correctly say if it was not MCU: They are ashamed of comic books.
I wasn't referring to Kingsley honestly. I was talking about Killian. At the end of Iron Man 3 he calls himself the Mandarin. As for the whole "PC perspective" it's a bullshit excuse
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 29, 2018 12:00:46 GMT
Nolan did the same thing with Ra's Al Ghul and Talia (both middle eastern descent). No one complained there. Hell, they turned Bane (South American) into a White British Guy! Because at least the characters were taken seriously. Lame excuse. Neeson had none of Ra's characterization from the comics, the eco-terrorism or anything. Just some "We're gonna destroy a city to teach people some vague lesson" thing. Killian at least had the cooler motive of controlling both sides of the War on Terror. So it's good when Incredibles does it...? The point was that AIM deliberately created a generic Terrorist Overlord to scare people to distract them from the real enemy. Which was people within their own society.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 29, 2018 12:04:18 GMT
Marvel isn't about taking the easy way out? THEY TURNED THE MANDARIN INTO A WHITE DUDE!!! racially Kingley is Indian to some extent, thus brown-ish without showing it. But I get what you are saying.
Mandarin is a very iffy charater from a PC-perspective, and Disney-Marvel is all about PC.
As Sam would correctly say if it was not MCU: They are ashamed of comic books.
Nah, it's just that the Iron Man movies are about Tony Stark first and foremost, not the villains. Mandarin hasn't been a relevant character in years anyways.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 29, 2018 12:04:35 GMT
Because at least the characters were taken seriously. Lame excuse. Neeson had none of Ra's characterization from the comics, the eco-terrorism or anything. Just some "We're gonna destroy a city to teach people some vague lesson" thing. Killian at least had the cooler motive of controlling both sides of the War on Terror. So it's good when Incredibles does it...? The point was that AIM deliberately created a generic Terrorist Overlord to scare people to distract them from the real enemy. Which was people within their own society. What does Incredibles have to do with anything?
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 29, 2018 12:05:09 GMT
Lame excuse. Neeson had none of Ra's characterization from the comics, the eco-terrorism or anything. Just some "We're gonna destroy a city to teach people some vague lesson" thing. Killian at least had the cooler motive of controlling both sides of the War on Terror. So it's good when Incredibles does it...? The point was that AIM deliberately created a generic Terrorist Overlord to scare people to distract them from the real enemy. Which was people within their own society. What does Incredibles have to do with anything? Syndrome.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 29, 2018 12:19:59 GMT
What does Incredibles have to do with anything? Syndrome. What about him? Is he part of the MCU?
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 29, 2018 12:21:44 GMT
What about him? Is he part of the MCU? You have a problem with Killian and his "angry nerd pissed at a guy" thing but have no problem with Syndrome.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 29, 2018 12:26:10 GMT
What about him? Is he part of the MCU? You have a problem with Killian and his "angry nerd pissed at a guy" thing but have no problem with Syndrome. My problem with that was the fact that it used a classic Iron Man villain as a cover for Killian.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 29, 2018 12:31:12 GMT
You have a problem with Killian and his "angry nerd pissed at a guy" thing but have no problem with Syndrome. My problem with that was the fact that it used a classic Iron Man villain as a cover for Killian. Mandarin hasn't been a relevant or compelling character in years. He's only "classic" mainly due to the 1990s cartoon series. And anyways, you just seem upset that they set out to fool you and succeeded at doing that. As opposed to Dark Knight Rises which tried to fool you with Talia and failed.
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Post by DSDSquared on Mar 29, 2018 12:36:03 GMT
Jesus this is getting old. All the MCU does is make movies on budget, on time, and make billions. They have tons of great movies. I love the X-Men films, but X-Men The Last Stand and Apocalypse sucked and are worse than any MCU film. Origins Wolverine was cheesy as heck too, but I actually liked it and am in the minority. I will say that X1, X2, and DOFP were all great movies. Still, the MCU has proven time and time again that they make critically and financially successful films that are made well.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 29, 2018 12:46:20 GMT
Jesus this is getting old. All the MCU does is make movies on budget, on time, and make billions. They have tons of great movies. I love the X-Men films, but X-Men The Last Stand and Apocalypse sucked and are worse than any MCU film. Origins Wolverine was cheesy as heck too, but I actually liked it and am in the minority. I will say that X1, X2, and DOFP were all great movies. Still, the MCU has proven time and time again that they make critically and financially successful films that are made well. They won't kill off the entire cast and destroy the world, so that means there's no stakes and they take no risks...somehow.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 29, 2018 12:59:23 GMT
Guess that hypothetical Lando movie is out the window.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 29, 2018 15:22:24 GMT
They won't kill off the entire cast and destroy the world, so that means there's no stakes and they take no risks...somehow. Theres no stakes because the villains are pathetic and theres a lot of lame qupping and jokes during final battles.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 29, 2018 15:49:16 GMT
Jesus this is getting old. All the MCU does is make movies on budget, on time, and make billions. They have tons of great movies. I love the X-Men films, but X-Men The Last Stand and Apocalypse sucked and are worse than any MCU film. Origins Wolverine was cheesy as heck too, but I actually liked it and am in the minority. I will say that X1, X2, and DOFP were all great movies. Still, the MCU has proven time and time again that they make critically and financially successful films that are made well. They won't kill off the entire cast and destroy the world, so that means there's no stakes and they take no risks...somehow. sam, I guess you are probably not allowed to watch anything that above PG 13, right? I'm not saying you should defy that, but even within the PG13 framework you will see elementary difference.
Eg check out Revenge of the Sith, there you have decapitation & dismemberment, people burned alive and maimed, mass assassinations (even of children) and domestic violence causing death. It will show you how wrong you are with your ignorant statement on stakes above. When you are finally mentally ready for more adult stuff watch Game of Thrones or even Superhero stuff like Watchmen, Logan etc.
Try the difference. I swear after that you will never be able to go back again, it would be like returning into your mom's basement after having lived with a hot woman...
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