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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 29, 2018 16:06:05 GMT
They won't kill off the entire cast and destroy the world, so that means there's no stakes and they take no risks...somehow. Theres no stakes because the villains are pathetic and theres a lot of lame qupping and jokes during final battles. Please, the only real reason MCU detractors say there's no stakes is because the Producers are nice enough to let us know about the Phases and that there are future movies being planned. So we know ahead of time the main characters won't die and world won't be destroyed.
The villains come off as "pathetic" to you because the story isn't about them, it's about the hero.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 29, 2018 16:09:55 GMT
They won't kill off the entire cast and destroy the world, so that means there's no stakes and they take no risks...somehow. sam, I guess you are probably not allowed to watch anything that above PG 13, right? Wrong. Saw it when it first came out, wasn't impressed. Anakin's fate was ruined by his pathetic squealing and godawful dialog. Ruined by us not really seeing anything and calling them "Younglings". Anyways, Guardians showed us worse by having Ronan smash a guys head open so he could bathe in his blood. No, Padme died because she "lost the will to live", remember? Been watching it since it started, in fact read the first book years before the show. It's gotten dull. All Logan has going for it was it being Jackmans' last time, plus the cursing and gore to make up for a dull actual plot. That and they ruined the rest of the Universe by killing off the X-Men off screen.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 29, 2018 16:18:49 GMT
My problem with that was the fact that it used a classic Iron Man villain as a cover for Killian. Mandarin hasn't been a relevant or compelling character in years. He's only "classic" mainly due to the 1990s cartoon series. And anyways, you just seem upset that they set out to fool you and succeeded at doing that. As opposed to Dark Knight Rises which tried to fool you with Talia and failed. Pardon me for wanting to see the Mandarin on the big screen fighting Iron Man. Pardon me for being annoyed that Marvel chicken out and changed a character to a joke because they didn't want to hurt a certain group feefees. Pardon me for wanting a villain that could have crossover with other heroes like Doctor Strange. *Edit* But above all Else: Pardon me for not being ashamed of the source material.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 29, 2018 16:20:34 GMT
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 29, 2018 16:27:37 GMT
Damn now I'm in the mood to listen to some Incubus.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 29, 2018 16:56:33 GMT
So when Deadpool does jokes, it's okay?
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 29, 2018 17:15:34 GMT
Mandarin hasn't been a relevant or compelling character in years. He's only "classic" mainly due to the 1990s cartoon series. And anyways, you just seem upset that they set out to fool you and succeeded at doing that. As opposed to Dark Knight Rises which tried to fool you with Talia and failed. Pardon me for wanting to see the Mandarin on the big screen fighting Iron Man. Pardon me for being annoyed that Marvel chicken out and changed a character to a joke because they didn't want to hurt a certain group feefees. Pardon me for wanting a villain that could have crossover with other heroes like Doctor Strange. *Edit* But above all Else: Pardon me for not being ashamed of the source material. It was possible wasted opportunity, but the MCU has done well enough I can forgive the occasional hiccup. Unlike Fox, Sony and WB.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 29, 2018 19:13:00 GMT
Please, the only real reason MCU detractors say there's no stakes is because the Producers are nice enough to let us know about the Phases and that there are future movies being planned. So we know ahead of time the main characters won't die and world won't be destroyed
The villains come off as "pathetic" to you because the story isn't about them, it's about the hero. Stakes dont necessarily mean death or world destroying. Everyone knows in nearly every comic book film, the superhero will defeat the villain and come out alive. But what creates stakes is more subtle, its the tension and atmosphere thats created in the final act, the feeling that the hero is in real jeopardy. Nearly every MCU film ends in a way where there is no credibility that the heros are in real danger and thats because of the lighthearted tone in the first 2 acts, the quips they pull constantly during battle and of course the punching bag weak villain. Look at these scenes The writing, acting and atmosphere created by the direction really sells the impending doom and forms an illusion of high stakes even though the heros pull through at the end. Just imagine putting ant man or peter quill in Xaviers chair. Stark or Thor in front of Raas. Dr Strange or Black widow before Zod. Guaranteed stupid lame quip or joke incoming to dampen the scene where the audience can relax and know nothing is going to happen to the hero, because if they arent taking the matter seriously, then why should the viewers. Illusion destroyed.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 29, 2018 19:28:12 GMT
Stakes dont necessarily mean death or world destroying. Everyone knows in nearly every comic book film, the superhero will defeat the villain and come out alive. But what creates stakes is more subtle, its the tension and atmosphere thats created in the final act, the feeling that the hero is in real jeopardy. Nearly every MCU film ends in a way where there is no credibility that the heros are in real danger Again, you only say that because the filmmakers were nice enough to tell us about future movies ahead of time so we go in knowing they'll survive. The first few MCU films went for that type of approach but once the Shared Universe was established and they started going for longer spanning plots, including telling us about future films ahead of time.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 29, 2018 20:44:35 GMT
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Post by harpospoke on Mar 30, 2018 17:56:10 GMT
storm was good in X2 and X3. she did more and showed more depth than black widow ever did. Sad thing is you're serous with this. Storm was wasted through and through, and has none of Natasha's depth. That's the truth. Fox has had a chance to do something with Storm since 2001 and I still don't know anything about her. I guess it's hard to develop the character when they can't keep the main story line consistent though.
The future looking bright now. Fux and their many failures over the years are soon to be a thing of the past and we'll finally get X-men as a true team instead of Logan and his sidekicks. The GA may finally start going to the theater in droves to see X-men movies for the first time too.
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Post by harpospoke on Mar 30, 2018 17:57:31 GMT
Wait....this was his complaint?
Boy no wonder they didn't want to work with him. Way to not play the SJW game Marvel. Thumbs up.
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Post by harpospoke on Mar 30, 2018 17:59:20 GMT
Logan was only received well due to it being Jackmans' Swan Song. X2 was just a rehash of X1, DOFP only was received well because the Old Cast came back for their silly fairytale ending, the 90s X-men cartoon was actually not that good, Legion is just Legion in name, and Deadpool is going to suck now that Fox is interfering with it. Silly reasons. All those movies are superior to MCUs library. The only reason they haven't made a billion dollars is because the general audience are stupid and dumb and are impressed by Marvels jokey lighthearted tone, extravagant CGI and thinly developed plots as straight forward as they come. Those X-films may have aesthetic deficiencies and character under development of some Xmen, but they capture the spirit and tone of the comics in a way Disney wouldnt allow. That's a common claim. "The world doesn't agree with me because they are stupid" Not a good argument. Maybe the world doesn't agree with you because you are in the minority and that's that.
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Post by harpospoke on Mar 30, 2018 18:05:40 GMT
Nolan did the same thing with Ra's Al Ghul and Talia (both middle eastern descent). No one complained there. Hell, they turned Bane (South American) into a White British Guy! Because at least the characters were taken seriously. The Mandarin twist was done as comedic relief and they had the angry nerd that was upset about Tony brushing him off. Hell Ben Kingsley gave a passable performance until the twist. Oh naturally whatever DC does is ok. AS long as they "take it seriously" it's fine. Fake complaint alert!
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Post by harpospoke on Mar 30, 2018 18:08:50 GMT
Theres no stakes because the villains are pathetic and theres a lot of lame qupping and jokes during final battles. Please, the only real reason MCU detractors say there's no stakes is because the Producers are nice enough to let us know about the Phases and that there are future movies being planned. So we know ahead of time the main characters won't die and world won't be destroyed.
The villains come off as "pathetic" to you because the story isn't about them, it's about the hero.
It's not even that. Anyone here think Batman, Superman, and WW are going to die in a DC movie? Or do those fake deaths for Batman in TDKR and Superman in BvS somehow count? When Marvel does that with Coulson it's "no stakes!!" Sooo many fake complaints about Marvel.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 30, 2018 18:44:46 GMT
1) He's not an X-Men artist. 2) The script he shared on his Twitter wasn't meant to be taken very seriously. Glover has a background in comedy from stand-up to being involved in plenty sitcoms for the small and big screen. 3) Glover helped Ryan Coogler out with Marvel's Black Panther and received a special thanks in the end credits. 4) Glover is Lando in Solo: A Star Wars Story coming out in May, and he is voicing Simba in the remake of The Lion King. He is not happy about the series being canned, but he has intention to hate on Marvel in particular and Disney in general and abandon association with them in the near future. Disney will sooner than later own FX which produces and airs Glover's acclaimed series Atlanta. You know what is taken seriously? his real anger at marvel-disney due to creative differences. deja vu? Remember Ed Norton, Edward Wright, Joss Whedon, Jon F, Parry Jenkins, Alan Taylor, Mikey Rouke. Remember when they all left marvel due to creative differences? Marvel today has awful animations. wonder why How is that Gambit movie coming along? How many directors left that movie? Remember when Singer was suppose to do X3? Remember when the execs didn't think Dark Phoenix was a good story and wanted The Cure instead? What happened with Fant4stic? Why isn't Tim Miller directing Deadpool 2? What happened to Matthew Vaughn directing DoFP? What happened with X-men Origins Wolverine? Remember when execs was repainting the sets? Don't act like there are creative differences only at Disney. There are creative differences at every creative arts job.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 30, 2018 18:56:52 GMT
Please, the only real reason MCU detractors say there's no stakes is because the Producers are nice enough to let us know about the Phases and that there are future movies being planned. So we know ahead of time the main characters won't die and world won't be destroyed.
The villains come off as "pathetic" to you because the story isn't about them, it's about the hero.
It's not even that. Anyone here think Batman, Superman, and WW are going to die in a DC movie? Or do those fake deaths for Batman in TDKR and Superman in BvS somehow count? When Marvel does that with Coulson it's "no stakes!!" Sooo many fake complaints about Marvel. It's because they shut out what happens in other movies to make their complaints.
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Post by summers8 on Mar 31, 2018 7:34:09 GMT
You know what is taken seriously? his real anger at marvel-disney due to creative differences. deja vu? Remember Ed Norton, Edward Wright, Joss Whedon, Jon F, Parry Jenkins, Alan Taylor, Mikey Rouke. Remember when they all left marvel due to creative differences? Marvel today has awful animations. wonder why How is that Gambit movie coming along? How many directors left that movie? Remember when Singer was suppose to do X3? Remember when the execs didn't think Dark Phoenix was a good story and wanted The Cure instead? What happened with Fant4stic? Why isn't Tim Miller directing Deadpool 2? What happened to Matthew Vaughn directing DoFP? What happened with X-men Origins Wolverine? Remember when execs was repainting the sets? Don't act like there are creative differences only at Disney. There are creative differences at every creative arts job. HM, two different scenarios and more half assed lies. Gambit will never be made. nothing about gambit screams creative difference since no one has said so,Gambit feels more like, rushed with no focus. Singer wanted X3 delayed so he could finish up Superman Returns first, Fox wanted to rush it. that was not creative differences. Um, when did the Exces think DP was not a good story? not in the content of one film. Origins was a disappointing movie , it had nothing to do with creative differences that is Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3. but unlike MCU movies where even all their bad movies are tried to be spined as something good, origins was not and it was a good thing because we later got wolverine and logan. Ryan and tim split, it was a personal decision from both men, it was not the studio pulling strings like marvel. You can have creative differences but marvel's own is 10x more common for a sole reason. artists want to think things differently because they see things as craft, mcu just wants to dumb down everything and have everything follow their nonsense formula. that is the difference. the reason marvel and glover split is because marvel wants all their cartoons to remain terrible just for kids. that kind of creative differences does not happen with xmen movies.
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Post by summers8 on Mar 31, 2018 7:35:39 GMT
Silly reasons. All those movies are superior to MCUs library. The only reason they haven't made a billion dollars is because the general audience are stupid and dumb and are impressed by Marvels jokey lighthearted tone, extravagant CGI and thinly developed plots as straight forward as they come. Those X-films may have aesthetic deficiencies and character under development of some Xmen, but they capture the spirit and tone of the comics in a way Disney wouldnt allow. That's a common claim. "The world doesn't agree with me because they are stupid" Not a good argument. Maybe the world doesn't agree with you because you are in the minority and that's that. it's not a common claim, it's fact. MCU fans you people should have listened to Jodi forster instead of james gunn. she has no reason to lie
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